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Ron Paul vs Tea Party movement
Copied here from a user Talk page, for further discussion: Sir, it's well documented that ron paul started the tea party movement. There are many sources both liberal and conservative that say ron paul is the "godfather" of the tea party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catsmeow8989 (talk • contribs)
 * According to reliable sources, and also the sources you have proposed using, that is incorrect. It is well documented that Ron Paul (or his supporters) have held fundraisers for his presidential campaign, and called some of these events "Tea Parties", so your confusion is understandable. Paul has also been an outspoken critic of taxes and government overreach, which is a position he has in common with the Tea Party movement, prompting a couple commentators to dub him the "intellectual godfather" of the Tea Party because of these shared beliefs. However, your insertion in the lead that this "Tea Party movement was started by Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul" is not only unsupported by the sources you provided, but is simply erroneous.  In fact, according to a source you provided:


 * Did you not read your own source? Oops? A quick 90-second search of news archives shows that "Tea Party" events have been happening for centuries, and the one for Ron Paul is by no means the first or last (some more recent ones: 2003, 2003, 1990, 1957, ...). When the nationwide movement started, and Ron Paul recognized they were protesting some of the same things he was against, of course he would jump on the bandwagon and claim to be the first. But he isn't the only one.  Everybody wants a piece of the "I started it!" pie. Did you know Karl Denninger is also the founder of the Tea Party movement? (See here and also here, and here).  There are a few others who also jumped on the bandwagon and claimed to be the originators. And while Ron Paul may have been dubbed a "godfather" of the Tea Party, Erica Stephans is the "Voice" of the Tea Party, when Ceferatti isn't the "Voice". Then there's the "Face" of the Tea Party. And don't forget Senator Tea Party and Mr. Tea Party.  The point is, nicknames are not good indicators of authority in the Tea Party movement.  Conservative principles are not new; but this movement didn't exist as a movement until 2009, according to the vast majority of reliable and scholarly sources.
 * As a side note, did you really cite as a source a YouTube video montage cobbled together by Hairy C-word? That certainly doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources. Also, were you aware that the content about Ron Paul's "moneybomb" Tea Parties is already in our article? I've again reverted your bold edit per WP:BRD, pending actual reliable sources which support your contention and refute existing high quality sources to the contrary. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 12:06, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry sir, all the sources i have read show ron paul starting the tea party. By your logic then the tea party didn't start when obama came into office. The youtube video i posted is a legit source because its contains old news footage, which is a primary source. You sound like you are absolutely clueless. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 19:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Your "legit sources" aren't. Please read up on what Wikipedia allows as Reliable Sources. Xenophrenic (talk) 09:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There are no sources that Paul created the Tea Party, although certainly there is overlap. Sources show that people throughout the country organized local Tea Parties, at which point Paul became involved, although he never played a major role.  TFD (talk) 21:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry sir, you are incorrect once again. There are plenty of sources, liberal and conservative which list Ron Paul as starting the modern tea party movement. And it isn't just supporters saying ron paul started it, Ron Paul HIMSELF has also said that he started it. In my opinion, Paul started it in 2007, it grew in 2009 thanks to people like sarah palin. But as a result, the tea party also became sharply divided in 2009. Even the Huntington post acknowledges ron paul started it and sarah palin created a divide within the movement. For instance it says on the huffington post:
 * Sorry sir, you are incorrect once again. There are plenty of sources, liberal and conservative which list Ron Paul as starting the modern tea party movement. And it isn't just supporters saying ron paul started it, Ron Paul HIMSELF has also said that he started it. In my opinion, Paul started it in 2007, it grew in 2009 thanks to people like sarah palin. But as a result, the tea party also became sharply divided in 2009. Even the Huntington post acknowledges ron paul started it and sarah palin created a divide within the movement. For instance it says on the huffington post:

Catsmeow8989 (talk) 22:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * In 2007, Ron Paul's supporters (not Ron Paul himself) held a successful "money bomb" fundraiser they called the "Tea Party." In 2009 a group of people who were not Ron Paul supporters set up a movement they called the "Tea Party."  Since the original Tea Party in 1773 when Sons of Liberty attacked the Dartford, lots of patriot groups have called themselves Tea Parties.  It does not mean they are related.  TFD (talk) 22:37, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with TFD and reliable sources; there is a huge difference between staging a "modern tea party in 2007" as a presidential campaign fundraiser event, and starting this Tea Party movement. You should read your HuffPo piece more closely. First, that's not a Huffington Post news piece; it's an opinion editorial from a blogger, not a journalist. Second, that blogger claims the Paulies staged a "Tea Party" (which they did), not start the Tea Party movement. If you are going to start citing blogger opinions now, here is another:
 * Ron Paul is Not the Founder of the Tea Party (by an original Tea Party movement activist) Xenophrenic (talk) 09:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Examples of actual reliable sources:
 * Celebrated by Fox News and urged on by national free-market advocacy groups, Tea Partiers like the ones we have just glimpsed in Massachusetts, Virginia, and Arizona burst onto the national scene, starting in early 2009, just weeks into the Obama presidency. → Skocpol, Theda; Williamson, Vanessa. The Tea Party and the Remaking of Republican Conservatism (Oxford University Press; 2012) Pg. 5
 * When the Tea Party burst onto the scene in 2009, I remember vividly thinking, "Wow. This could be a great opportunity." With Santelli's simple, frank comments, the Tea Party movement was officially born.  Fewer than two months after Santelli's statements, on tax day in 2009, hundreds of thousands of Americans attended the first official "tea parties" across the country ...  → Foley, Elizabeth Price. The Tea Party: Three Principles (Cambridge University Press; 2012) Pg. ix, 15
 * There is a reason why the lead of the article conveys information from academic researchers published by Cambridge and Oxford instead of opinions by a blogger on HuffPo or "Hairy C-word"'s personal YouTube channel. Xenophrenic (talk) 09:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've reverted this edit, as it doesn't address the issues raised here, and I agree with Xenophrenic about the sources in question. Blogs and YouTube channels are not going to cut it in regards to this material being relevant to this article's topic. - Aoidh (talk) 20:13, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * most of the sources on this page are from news articles so your argument doesn't make sense. Those youtube clips CLEARY show ron paul supporters holding tea party signs. that is a primary source.Catsmeow8989 (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Most of the sources" don't support what you're saying. Throwing "a tea party" and this article's subject are not the same. The blog you cited (which can't even be bothered to proofread their very first sentence) states "There's trouble brewing between the Ron Paul libertarians who staged the the first modern tea party in 2007." Staging a tea party. That's what your source says, which is not the same as what you're suggesting, which is relevance to this tea party. - Aoidh (talk) 20:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what Aoidh is saying. If you are saying the tea party began in 2009, then why are there some earlier protests listed in 2007 and 2005 and a tea party website in 2002? Shouldn't all that be deleted then? Those aren't the current "tea party" either. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 21:13, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If you'll look at the links provided above, and also in our article, you'll see that this isn't an article about protests labeled 'Tea Party', it's about the national movement. There were many "tea party" protests over the past two centuries, usually having to do with taxes or the government, but this quite notable national movement began in early 2009.  The Ron Paul activities were designed to get him elected, whereas the Tea Party movement was broader protest movement not tied to a single individual. Xenophrenic (talk) 21:46, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure but we are talking about the orgin of the tea party. Ron Paul's tea party events were national events. Everything has a beginning. Ron Paul's ideas went beyond just him. Evidence of that is what happened after he stopped campaigning in 2008: his followers continued to spread the message of liberty and limited government without supporting him. THAT IS A MOVEMENT. Most tea party people today agree with Ron Paul's ideas. That is a measure of Paul's success in spreading his tea party message.Catsmeow8989 (talk) 21:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, we're talking about the origin of the Tea Party movement. Yes, the supporters for Paul's presidential bid held national fundraisers on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party called Tea Parties. They also held identical fundraisers a month earlier on Guy Fawkes day. (OMG - Ron Paul is also the father of the Guy Fawkes movement!!!!) "His" ideas aren't his, or unique to him. Sure he agrees with some of the same thing the Tea Party movement does, but disagrees with some as well (like foreign policy).  Our article already has the information on Paul's fundraisers and policy positions. Xenophrenic (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Ron Paul tea party protest
On December 16th, 2007, supporters of Ron Paul staged a re-enactment of the Boston Tea Party as a fundraiser event, and to promote Paul's bid for the presidency. Paul's GOP campaign received a "moneybomb", which broke the record for 24 hour fundraising. This event coincided with the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. The rally helped set the stage for the Tea Party movement that became a national phenomenon in 2009 and 2010. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone disagrees that the Ron Paul supporters staged a "money bomb" fundraiser for the Ron Paul presidential campaign. But this article is about the Tea Party movement, which isn't a presidential campaign movement. Xenophrenic (talk) 21:33, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what your agenda here is, but actually you are wrong. Every movement has a beginning, and Ron Paul's presidential campaign was the start of this movement. At the very least it set the stage for it.Liberal and conservative commenters agree on that point. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, I can help you with that. My agenda is to have our Wikipedia articles convey what the best reliable sources have to say on a subject. That is why I cite academic, peer-reviewed scholarship published by the highest quality publishers in the industry, and top-tier analysis from news organizations with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, rather than your links to YouTube videos by "Hairy C-word" or random bloggers that run their own self-published websites.  See the difference? (And I should point out that you are still citing that 'BigJournalism' source above which actually says Ron Paul has nothing to do with the Tea Party movement. You do realize that, right?) Xenophrenic (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh funny thing, I'm doing the same thing as you. I've provided multiple sources both liberal and conservative to support my argument and you continue to say everything i say is wrong without giving back anything. Well that's bullsh*t and it's people like you who are destroying wikipedia. At the very least Ron Paul played a role in creating the leadup to the movement today, but you won't acknowledge even that. So my conclusion is that you aren't being fair. You are being biased. Catsmeow8989 (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * (And I cited that 'BigJournalism' as a point of view example to show journalism bias)Catsmeow8989 (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm just telling you what reliable sources say, and you respond by calling me names and insulting me? Nice. Let me guess: you are a Ron Paul fan? I'm sure he'd be proud of you. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * America has a long history of protest movements that arise in reaction to real and perceived problems when they are formed. The movement around Ron Paul that formed in 2007 and the Tea Party movement formed in 2009 are two separate examples of protest movements.  In fact the main catalysts of the Tea Party movement - the 2008 recession and the election of a liberal African American president - did not exist in 2007.  TFD (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Removed bits
I've removed the following from the See also section:
 * Constitution Party (United States), a U.S. political party that shares many of the views of the Tea Party movement
 * Movements or political parties in other countries that share similar goals and views as the Tea Party
 * Swiss People's Party, largest political party in Switzerland with almost 30% of the vote.
 * Aam Aadmi Party, a similar grassroots political movement in India galvanized by anti-establishment parties.
 * Party of Free Citizens, libertarian political party in the Czech Republic.

I've removed them as they are unreferenced Synthesis. You cannot compare the US Tea Party with any other movement (which also - quite problematically - suggests some sort of solidarity and uniformity of views) without references. I think it is Wikipedia's best interest to avoid those references whioch appear to be influenced by the Tea Party movement politics. It is in their best interest to make it seem that their goals are universal ones. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 14:20, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Trump
Shouldn't there be a section about the Tea Party's responsibility for the rise of Trump? There are plenty of sources tracing his popularity to the GOP and Tea Party's various stands on race, Obama and immigration.--Daveler16 (talk) 18:26, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * 1. If there are as you say "plenty of sources" and those sources are reliable and meet WP:BLP criteria then certainly the information can be added to the Wikipedia under the appropriate weight guidelines. Recognize that your phrasing above, the Tea Party's responsibility for the rise of Trump, is a very strong claim of cause and effect and will need equally strong and very explicit sources to support that claim.
 * 2. Another question you may also want to consider is: Does this information belong under Tea Party or under Donald Trump ? Koala Tea Of Mercy ( KTOM's Articulations &amp; Invigilations ) 19:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I see yourt point in the 2nd question. I'll start accumulating good sources, and maybe they will tell us where this belongs. --Daveler16 (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Koala Tea of Mercy is completely correct. You may feel very strongly that Trump's rise was made possible by the Tea Party, but you have to remain above the fray, so to speak. Try to find non-partisan views on the subject. They might be hard to find, but stick with academics and historians (and not some talking head policy wonk); their work is less likely to be refuted (thus keeping the article stable and free from excessive edit-warring). Of course I might be wrong. Conservatives and Libertarians already despise Wikipedia (because Conservapedia) because of its "liberal bias." I wish you the very best of luck. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:00, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Tea Party VS Tea Party Patriots
A warning that there is a big difference between the leaders of Tea Party and Tea Party Patriots; The Tea Party Patriots was created as a undermining of the original Tea Party by Republican conservatives (Gingrich); and in 2012 promoted every RINO candidate and refused to support Ron Paul; After not being able to get Gingrich, Rick Santorum or Rick Perry finally pushed for Mitt Romney in the end; Their web site was http://teapartypatriots.ning.com a forum that is now closed but has moved to other online media; They have infused themselves so deeply into the phrase, most people have been unknowingly guided by their propaganda; to get an idea, read the this discussion page on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tea_Party_movement  and you will see as well as removing Ron Paul's picture from the page (oh. I see they removed the large photo at the top of the page and put a small photo at the bottom of the page below Palin), the RINOS have placed people like Glenn Beck, Palin and others that really had nothing to do with the original movement and promote a convenient distortion with what the Founders intents truly were. The Wiki authors (propagandists) however are determined to keep true patriotism out of wikipedia as you will see when reading this talk page. American Patriot Party 2001:5B0:292E:3A40:FCB6:DCCA:2044:EC86 (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)Richard Taylor APP

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"Decline of the Tea Party" section: very undue
The section in this article entitled "2015-2016: decline of the Tea Party" is very UNDUE. Not only does it cite only two sources, but it is ridiculously long, detailing four possible reasons why the Tea Party is supposedly dead or declining. This section is interesting, but it puts it in Wikipedia's voice that the TPm is viewed as being dead or in decline when only two political commentators and their opinions are cited.

This section should be massively reduced, it should cite many more sources and/or views, and the supposed decline/death should not be framed as absolute or commonly agreed upon so early (or at least with only two opinions cited). --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 03:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I think you can look around and find RS which says the Tea Party movement people were a key factor in Trump's successful election. If this were done the section would then need re-framing to something like "Tear Party support for Donald Trump". In fact, here is an article that says 'Trump didn't kill the TP. He is the TP' Point is, this is a very contemporary theme. An encyclopedic rendition will take some time -- perhaps several years. So I recommend removing the subsection and await more scholarly studies. – S. Rich (talk) 04:03, 5 December 2016 (UTC) 04:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I added opposing viewpoints for the section. --1990&#39;sguy (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2017
After the last line in the second paragraph, ending "...internal politics of the Republican Party.", I would like to insert the sentence below. My suggested sentence goes with the prior sentence in that the Tea Party Caucus represented a significant challenge to the Republican Party (at least in Congress).

Although the Tea Party is not a party in the classic sense of the word, research has shown that members of the Tea Party Caucus vote like an independent, third party in Congress. 153.9.66.73 (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 15:49, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Categorization
This article should be grouped with political movement articles, not taxation articles, as the Tea Party ideology has always encompassed a lot more than just tax protest. Sadly there are no navboxes for political movements that I could find; someone would have to create one. Pariah24 (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Misinformation: Desire to repeal 14 Amendment
Towards the end of the fourth paragraph of the "Agenda" section, it states that "Several constitutional amendments have been targeted by some in the movement for full or partial repeal, including the 14th, 16th, and 17th." The article cited for this information makes no mention of wanting to repeal the 14th, only the 16th and 17th, in addition to adding a "Repeal Amendment." I see this as a potentially significant error in the section because it could make a serious implication that, without proper evidence, the Tea Party movement supports unequal rights and potentially racism. If they do in fact wish to repeal the 14th, there needs to be other information cited and have this topic expanded upon, explaining why they want it repealed, including potentially less than honorable tendencies if that is a valid and sensible claim according to provided trustworthy (i.e. unbiased and factual) information. Patriotic524 (talk) 05:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

This is not to mention that such a movement to repeal that amendment would seem to contradict the spirit of the movement described in the rest of the article. Patriotic524 (talk) 06:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Libertarian
Wouldn't this article also be part of a series of Libertarianism? MJV479 (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If history hadn't been rewritten it would. But the 2007 origin of the Tea Party movement has fallen down the memory hole. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me  12:54, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I would have to agree with you... I don't know why there is no mention of the Tea Party before 2009. This is not history... Stevenmitchell (talk) 08:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Tea Party Movement's Beginning
Hi. I don't know why, but there doesn't seem to be much reference to the Tea Party origins that preceded 2009. Yes, Rick Santelli put a label on it in a national broadcast in 2009, but the Tea Party movement already existed prior to 2009, and was known as such. It was a conservative movement in some of its tone, but was certainly not focused on Obama before he was elected, but was concerned about the financial crisis as it unfolded, and the solutions, such as TARP, that were proposed by the insider and former Goldman Sachs CEO, Henry Paulson, on behalf of George Bush's administration. The elusive Tea Party was already a factor in the 2008 election results. How could that happen if it allegedly wasn't mentioned until 2009? This article needs to be rewritten, so that it isn't like so many other Wikipedia articles premised on integral missing information and half truths... Stevenmitchell (talk) 08:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion (grammatical)
Consider replacing the word over, in the last sentence of the first paragraph, with more than
 * ...various polls in 2013 estimate that slightly over 10 percent of Americans identify as part of the movement.

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This whole page is MOSTLY WRONG because the modern-day tea party movement started in 2007 not 2009 and was not and is STILL not part of the GOP.

I know because I helped found it in 2007 and still run it in NH. It was created by Ron Paul supporters, and he was the 'father' of the movement. It was non-partisan and intended to talk about issues that were being ignored for the upcoming 2008 presidential election. We had already held our first event in Boston on Dec 16, 2007 after I organized a 400 person event in Pembroke NH that February with Kent Snyder featuring Ron himself who then decided to run. People tossed boxes of tea in the water all over the US, including Dr. Paul in Lake Jackson Texas on Dec 16. Pete Santilli saw us do this, he knew about the movement, as he was a confidant of Ron's. Later when he was ranting about something of a financial nature, he declared that even HE might stage a tea party at Lake Michigan... knowing we'd already been doing it for TWO YEARS.

Another protest happened on July 12, 2008 when 10,000 Ron Paul supporters descended upon DC at the West Side of Capitol Hill for a “Revolution March”. That was our big showing that year. In 2009 I myself organized a 4,000 person tea party on the green in Manchester NH.

Here is the full background.

http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/about-join/ http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2009/11/21/who-owns-the-tea-party-movement/

All the groups you mention (Patriots, Express, and others) were formed in 2009, they stole the name, and were merely PACs for the GOP Inc. When they arrived in NH in 2012 insisting they endorsed Romney we wrote to the papers explaining they were NOT the real teaparty and that we in NO WAY endorsed Romney or any other candidate just as we never endorsed TRUMP.

In December 2019 the authentic, NON-GOP teaparty had its 12th anniversary.

If you want further clarification just email me, the addresses are on this website. http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/

nhtpc@nhteapartycoalition.org


 * I have to agree with you, that yes, absolutely the Tea Party was active and known before 2009 and Rick Santelli. That is just a convenient solution for those that need to package human events in more simplistic terms. If you need help adding this piece of actual history to the article (I don't see your name or if you are a Wikipedia editor here) please contact me on my Talk Page. Thanks. Stevenmitchell (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please get the history correct, especially the part where we are NOT connected to the GOP. Please remember that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.223.247 (talk) 15:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

By 2019, it was reported that the conservative wing of the Republican Party "has basically shed the tea party moniker".
Recent events, activities of "Tea Party Patriots", seems that the brand is still in use. Drsruli (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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References to the Boston Tea Party were part of Tax Day protests held in the 1990s and before.[2][3][4][5] In 1984, David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch of Koch Industries founded Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), a conservative political group whose self-described mission was "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." Congressman Ron Paul was appointed as the first chairman of the organization. The CSE lobbied for policies favorable to corporations, particularly tobacco companies.[citation needed] - https://www.citizen.org/sites/default/files/citizens_for_a_sound_economy_report.pdf - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/instance/4078698/bin/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815f01.jpg https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23396417/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-1-uid-0

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73. https://web.archive.org/web/20090308214530/http://www.freedomworks.org/press-releases/dick-armey-to-lead-citizens-for-a-sound-economy

92. https://web.archive.org/web/20100111031916/https://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/15/the-tea-party-revolution

107. https://web.archive.org/web/20121009142237/https://www.cnbc.com/id/29283701/Rick_Santelli_s_Shout_Heard_Round_the_World

110. https://web.archive.org/web/20110224231955/http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-tea-party-ads-20100919,0,5669482.story

112. https://web.archive.org/web/20110815083243/http://video.foxnews.com/v/3924410/worst-case-scenario-no-3/

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Ron Paul Tea Party Movement
The Ron Paul Tea Party Movement started Long before the Tea Party Patriots movement which was simply a Republican Party derailment of the Ron Paul Tea Party movements.

The RINO derailment branch of the Republican party was found in the web discussion forum at: teapartypatriots.ning They backed RINOS such as Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and finally backed Mitt Romney. They did everything they could to stop Ron Paul who was the TRUE "Tea Party" movement inspiration.

Ron Paul was actually on the way to having more electoral votes than Mitt Romney, but the Republican Party made redistrict mapping to stop Ron Paul.

Get your story straight as to the early beginnings of the Tea Party, or create a page that shows the Ron Paul Tea Party (Constitution based) and the differences between it and the later Tea Party Patriots (Republicans - RINOS). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c55:7900:1857:ec98:56c8:3756:2a94 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 8 January 2023 (UTC)