Talk:Tears to Tiara

Infoboxes
It would appear that the article looks rather messy due to the infoboxes here. Should they be removed? Sima Yi 22:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

AVG? visual novel? eroge?
I was under the impression this was an adult visual novel (AVG/ADV) since it is originally by Leaf (a visual novel studio)?



Leaf's site confirms that it is a adult game (says not for sale to persons under 18) for the PC version. Can someone confirm that it is a AVG/visualnovel not a RPG?

I don't know enough to rewrite the article, regarding the ADV and SRPG elements but I am going to tag it for the visual novel task force until provided evidence otherwise. Jyuichi 03:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not a visual novel. The game's official website has gameplay videos on it. Sima Yi 03:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Rating
According to two Kotaku articles, this game's rating is 12+. The infobox however says 18+. Where can correct rating information be found? --98.203.232.151 (talk) 13:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You are refering to the PS3 version, which is rated B, and in other words, 12+. The infobox is referring to the PC version, which contains hentai scenes (just so you won't blame me if you are gonna click on it at work/school, adult sequences), and is thus rated 18+. Doesn't really matter as when the article on the PS3 version is merged in the infobox will have both. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  22:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

"fancruft" or not
The description of fancruft:

"Fancruft is a term sometimes used in Wikipedia to imply that a selection of content is of importance only to a small population of enthusiastic fans of the subject in question. The term is a neologism derived from the older hacker term cruft, describing obsolete code that accumulates in a program.

While "fancruft" is often a succinct and frank description of such accumulations, it also implies that the content is unimportant and that the contributor's judgment of the topic's importance is clouded by fanaticism. Thus, use of this term may be regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil and an assumption of bad faith."

I edited the page because i just played the 2005 version of it in english, before it was suggested to me i didn't even know about it, and i don't know japanese to ever play it in its untranslated form. I saw wiki had no update on the translation what might more than interest others who can not understand japanese but would consider buying/playing the game if they would know there is an english localization, I am hungarian by the way, and i have nothing against japanese i just simply can't understand it as billions of other people aswell.

Thus, notification about a patch, Language localisation or update is not in any way "fancruft".

a. I am not a fan, i liked the game however

b. I would have been unable to play it without the Internationalization and localization, just as many other people

c. "Importance only to a small population of enthusiastic fans" is clearly inaccurate in this matter

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II The Sith Lords, subsection "Patches, upgrades, and modifications" also uses reference and notes on modifications, and that one is not even about localization, what would allow a greater number of people to understand/enjoy the game, and in Civilization III and Civilization IV subsections for the modding has a high importance aswell, again please let me point out that these aren't of such a high importance than the actual fact of in which languages it has been extra translated to, nor does a localization change the game itself thus it can't even be called a mod.

This is my explanation of why to include the modification section also into te article about this game, against the opinion of the contributor called "Cloud668". I hope that after he and anyone else reads my argument understands why this is not about "fancruft", and that multiple similar articles already have been approved of having such content (like the "hot coffee mod" content of GTA: San Andreas"). Content about localization might have its own section with the name of "Localizations", some might say "Modifications" could also be used for it, or using the Wing Commander: Privateer way of including it into the article if one considers a localization a kind of "remake" (against my personal opinion however). Considering the many cases of Wikipedia where modifications have been included, it can't be truly explained why "Tears to Tiara" should not mention the only localization to another language than the original japanese version.

If this content needs further discussion I will be more than happy to contact other wiki-community members to have more than two opinions on the matter.

Thank you for reading this, and for your understanding - Jorian Drake Jan 11 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorian Drake (talk • contribs) 03:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not a matter of fancruft, it's a matter of copyright. The fact is, this translation patch is not official, and is thus infringing on the copyrights of the original creators without their consent. Granted, there are exceptions, such as a recent development with Umineko no Naku Koro ni where the main creator Ryukishi07 gave his support to the translation team, and thus why it appears in that article. Otherwise, it should be removed unless you can get permission from the creators supporting the unofficial translation. Might I also add that the notability of such a translation also comes into account, since it'd be difficult to establish notability if the translation hasn't received notice in any third-party sources, or even if the original creators know nothing about it.--  十  八  05:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll note that the criteria for inclusion of a translation is that it be verifiable in a reliable source. The notability of a translation doesn't factor it into it, unless we were considering writing an article about the translation. Copyright doesn't factor into what we cover, we write about worse crimes all the time. — PyTom (talk) 06:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

US Version coming soon to Tears To Tiara.
US version coming soon? I don't know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.158.32.12 (talk) 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, do you mean there's a US licensed version releasing soon? If so, can I know the details? Where did you see it (the info)? Samantha Lim88 (talk) 00:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

"Tears to Tiara Gaiden: Avalon no Nazo" official English name
It seams the official English name that comes in the Japanese limited edition packaged is called "TEARS TO TIARA Anecdotes: The Secret of AVALON". Sources: http://asia.playstation.com/hk/cht/game/gameDetail/71030 (there are many more). I think the official should prevail against the literal translation 84.90.24.117 (talk) 23:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's official, I'll be sure to oblige the request and change all the literal translations to the official English one :D Amaya Sakura (talk) 03:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Review(s)
--KrebMarkt (talk) 19:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mania.com: Complete BR collection Complete DVD collection
 * ANN: Complete BR collection Australia ed. DVD part 1
 * Active Anime: Complete BR collection

TtT remake official English name
So, "Kakan no Daichi" just received an official English title: "Tears to Tiara: Garland of the Earth"

Time to remove every "Earth's Wreath" from Wikipedia.

Sources:

http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Charsheet_Arawn.jpg

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/26/aquapazza-introduces-utawarerumono-toheart-2-characters/

http://www.atlus.com/aquapazza/index.html

84.90.25.172 (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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