Talk:Tech Tower

List of Historic Places
A rather impressive article, to say the least! One question, though: Is Tech Tower listed on List of Registered Historic Places in Georgia, E-G as the "Georgia Institute of Technology Historic District" or is that something else? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good question. I got the info stating Tech Tower was an historic place from a driving tour document; not exactly reliable. What would be ideal is if somebody could get us a picture of the historical marker -- both for the article, and to clarify exactly what is historic. MaxVeers 20:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I added it to the WPGT image requests page. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This seems like a useful link. I wonder if it's the actual text of the plaque. If not, looks like it's still public domain (from the National Park Service). MaxVeers 20:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?
I think this article is of high enough quality to go on Template:Did you know. To nominate this page, go here. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to come up with a good fact. MaxVeers 23:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Same here. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 00:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * How about:
 * "... that it's a Georgia Tech tradition to steal the 'T' off of Tech Tower?"
 * "... that Tech Tower is the only Georgia Tech building to be named after a woman?" —Disavian (talk/contribs) 01:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I kind of want Georgia Tech traditions to be operational before we would use the first one. You can see how perfectly it would fit in. But maybe still a good idea. I like the other one, too. Is it interesting to add that she didn't attend the school? MaxVeers 01:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just moved it there, and gave it more of an article look. I've been meaning to do that for a while, but you gave me the impetus :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome. So how do you feel about:
 * "... that it's a Georgia Tech tradition to steal the T from Tech Tower?
 * MaxVeers 04:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 04:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done! MaxVeers 04:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Success! It's like... a Christmas present. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Appearance
How should we handle the appearance of Tech Tower? I haven't actually described it in the article. Something should be said about the red brick, Victorian architecture, number of rooms and floors, the recent renovation, the TECH sign, etc. Should this get its own section or what? MaxVeers 20:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll think about it. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I still think this section is needed. In addition, it should mention important elements in the surrounding area, such as the named walkways (including the Tower Walk), the nearby memorials for WWI deceased and Paul Howes Norcross, the Class of 1903 fountain (first such class memorial on campus), Sideways' headstone, etc. I will get working on this ASAP. MaxVeers 20:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I think it's already GA-class, but I'm waiting until Georgia Institute of Technology passes before I nominate other Tech-related articles. History of Georgia Tech is next on my list to nominate, btw. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * An impressive addition. I'll nominate it now. I mentioned this on Talk:Georgia Tech traditions, but I found a 'Nique article with some good T history: Presidential opinions change over time —Disavian (talk/contribs) 00:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Great link. I've done my best to integrate it. MaxVeers 03:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's looking great. Perhaps it should be copied over to the traditions article? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 03:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think either this article or the traditions article should have a more concise version. Not sure which place is more appropriate for the detailed one. Maybe traditions...? MaxVeers 03:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I would think that the traditions article would have the shorter version and have a "main article..." link to the t-stealing section on Tech Tower. I'm tempted to have an article entirely for The T, if only to spite that one guy from this AfD discussion. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 04:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

NRHP category removal

 * I'm removing the category from this article's main page. My rationale is that the Tech Tower is part of the Georgia Institute of Technology Historic District, but not listed individually at the National Register.
 * Simply looking at other universities with NRHP listings, there are other historic districts with individual buildings listed in them. An example is the University of Florida Campus Historic District. It has several historic buildings within its confines listed on the NRHP, yet not all are. Like, Library East is, but Library West isn't. The University Memorial Auditorium was built in the 1920s, and it doesn't have its own entry either. So there you go. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)  -Ebyabe 16:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me. Thanks. MaxVeers 16:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos
Just wondering... is there any way we can integrate this photo into the article without making it too crowded? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What's happening in that picture? MaxVeers 20:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You know the giant flame next to the whistle? This is a picture where the flame is between the camera and Tech Tower. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a picture in the blueprint of the T actually stolen. It's from the most recent incident.  Excaliburhorn 20:56, 9-Apr-2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to include photos like this (from The Technique) or this (from Tech Topics) but I think they're copyrighted. Anyone know if there's a way of getting permission? The "Stealing the 'T'" section really suffers without them, I think. Another great addition would be this photo of Roosevelt speaking in front of Tech Tower. Anyone know if it was published before 1923? MaxVeers 18:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and use the one from the 'Nique under fair use. Make sure to use when you upload it. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done! That's a nice addition, I think. MaxVeers 13:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking good there. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 17:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sweet link
This is amazing:. Just... wow. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 15:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See also: and . —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I used this monument list to fill a lot of the places that didn't have references. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 22:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Quote regarding Stealing the 'T'
"A high point of the celebration came when Tech students unveiled and present..." Is this the actual wording from the source? (I couldn't look it up since it's a book.) Using "present" instead of "presented" sounds akward to me. →Wordbuilder 03:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's probably just a typo. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked it up in the source, and it was a typo. Good catch. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 22:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced addition
The following unsourced but probably correct content was added to the article: There was also a possible stealing of a 'T' from North Carolina State University. At NC State's football stadium, there are large red letter on the bottom of the upper deck that read "NC STATE UNIVERSITY." On November 4, 2006, during the Georgia Tech-NC State football game, the second 'T' in the word "STATE" mysteriously vanished. It was widely assumed across the Tech campus that the prank was pulled off by a group of Georgia Tech students. I think we have an image around here somewhere, but I'd like a source for that before we add it to a featured article. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 20:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I found the picture. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice! I restored the text and image to the article. That's a great addition. MaxVeers 22:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd still like a source, but I suppose the image will do for now. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 01:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I did find this, but it's a blog entry... —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems unlikely that a more authoritative source will discuss the issue. We may want to tone down the "widely assumed" part and note that it's unclear what really happened. MaxVeers 04:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

...an historic place
I believe that is the right way to write it. Not "...a historic place". Can any grammar experts back me up on this? Wrad (talk) 06:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter according to this. I prefer "a historic" though. "An" is usually used for words that start with a vowel sound. BlueAg09 (Talk) 06:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * From Dr. Grammar: "Writers on usage formerly disputed whether the correct article is a or an with historian, historic, and a few other words. The traditional rule is that if the h- is sounded, a is the proper form. Most people following that rule would say a historian and a historic...Even H.W. Fowler, in the England of 1926, advocated a before historic(al) and humble....The theory behind using an in such a context, however, is that the h- is very weak when the accent is on the second rather than the first syllable....Thus no authority countenances an history, though a few older ones prefer an historian and an historical. Today, however...an historical [is] likely to strike readers and listeners as [an affectation]. As Mark Twain once wrote, referring to humble, heroic, and historical: 'Correct writers of the American language do not put an before those words' (The Stolen White Elephant,1882). Anyone who sounds the h- in such words should avoid pretense and use a." And as for my own two cents on the matter, I was taught that placing "an" before "historic" or similar is only done in speech if one tends not to aspirate the letter H, and never in writing (at least not in American English). LaMenta3 (talk) 06:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "An historic" is an acceptable construction, but "a historic" seems to be the norm these days, at least in American English. (That may be overgeneralized -- I'm sure we can find some dialect of American English where "an historic" is the preferred usage, perhaps because the "h" is silent.) There's a discussion of it here: A and an. &bull; WarpFlyght (talk &bull; contribs) 06:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, some northeastern American dialects have an non-aspirated H in historical and similar words and place 'an' before it in speech. (Just listen to a Kennedy talk.) However, it is still a bit of a linguistic anomaly in the States. LaMenta3 (talk) 06:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

This repeatedly caused edit warring on Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, despite numerous comments on the talk page from myself explaining that either way was correct. Finally, I had to outright threaten to block anyone who changed it. That seemed to end it. Raul654 (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Theft section
The second incident concludes saying the T remains at an undisclosed location, but the next paragraph says "the same 'T'...". I know what it means, but could it be made clearer that it wasn't that specific material 'T', it was the replacement? (It also doesn't indicate when the T was replaced.) This is a very trivial thing, and the answer is probably no, but that sentence made me look twice. ALTON  .ıl  09:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. I tried to make it a bit clearer. MaxVeers (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to remove date-autoformatting
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Google Maps April Fools 2012
I just wanted to mention that Tech Tower is one of the landmarks in the 2012 Google Maps April Fool. Ref: Disavian (talk) 06:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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FA concerns
I'm reviewing this older featured article promotion as part of WP:URFA/2020, a process to conduct a quality sweeps of featured articles promoted in 2015 or before. Some comments below:
 * The campanile is now featured in all Georgia Tech logos, though some have argued that Tech Tower itself would be a more appropriate symbol - is sourced to a student editorial from 1996; better source needed
 * It's unclear if most of the first paragraph of the Modern Use section is actually supported by the references; there's a map, a set of directions, and a forever-dead .swf file; the former two sources certainly don't support most of the content in that paragraph
 * To handle this financial burden, the restitution fee alone totaling $14,823.98, a GoFundMe was created by a friend of the thief that was well known on campus, to assure its legitimacy, without revealing the thief's identity (the friend's name has since been removed from the post because of negative pressure from the GT administration). - sourced to the GoFoundMe page itself; better sourcing is needed for material in a featured article
 * " "Who stole a T out of NC STATE". Wreck Ramblin. November 6, 2006. Archived from the original on April 17, 2008. Retrieved January 21, 2009." - not a reliable source
 * "Tech Tower is considered an iconic representation of Georgia Tech and of higher education in Atlanta." - needs a better source than a student newspaper
 * "In this case, the thief admitted guilt after detectives approached him at his residence that afternoon, and was suspended through the following summer, while also having to pay a restitution fee and tuition to retake his nearly completed Spring 2014 classe" - not in source?

In general, this article has issues with dubious sources, text that is poorly supported to its references, and other concerns. A comparison to Featured article review/ANAK Society/archive1 is probably in order, as both this FA and that one rely very heavy on institutionally-affiliated sources. Hog Farm Talk 02:27, 3 June 2023 (UTC)