Talk:Tecmo Super Bowl

Version represented in this article
It should be pointed out that the wiki article here deals with the NES version of the game. The games that are titled "Tecmo Super Bowl" that were released for the SNES, Sega/Megadrive and Playstation are entirely different games.

"Miscellaneous info" tags?
I can somewhat see adding the "Miscellaneous info" tag to the "Trivia" and "Errors, Errata, Omissions" sections; however, I don't think adding those sections detracts from the article at all. Indeed it adds some depth, in my opinion, to understanding the differences between the video game and the actual real-life game of the NFL. I think those sections also help to differentiate the game from Madden NFL, for example, as well. Tecmo Super Bowl didn't attempt to be an exact simulation of the NFL. It's more of an "arcade" game and I believe those sections help bring that to light.

I guess if you were to remove anything, it may be some of the player related errors, but I found those to be pretty interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruxader (talk • contribs) 15:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Things I don't want to see in this article or they will be deleted ASAP
I don't want to ANY see references to the SNES version outside of the 'sequels' box. This is NOT the SNES version, so if you want to talk about the SNES version, go to the SNES version page. I don't want to see things about "Human controlled leagues" that you or your college friends complete. If you can give me a reason why they SHOULD be considered, let me know. TecmoDude55 17:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)TecmoDude55


 * Please read WP:OWN. IrishGuy talk 18:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Quirks Section
"Rushes for losses are not counted against the yardage total." -this is not true, the game just just display the value as '0'. however, the actual value is still stored within the game.

"A handful of plays blatantly violate NFL rules. For example, the WTE formation has too many men on the line of scrimmage (8), and several plays violate rules on backfield motion, including multiple players moving before the snap and players moving towards the line of scrimmage." -Actually, there can be multiple players moving before the snap. All the players in motion just need to reset (into their stance) before the ball is snapped. There also can be players moving towards the line of scrimmage. They just need to be moving laterally or backwards at the snap.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "Side Change" the techincally correct terminology for when teams rotate between offense and defense? The side refers to the team (i.e., "Side Retired" in baseball) while the change refers to them changing between offense and defense? (129.22.58.144 23:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC))

Best Players
I think we should look at the best players, it's getting out of control. I don't think Wayne Haddix is that great, for example. Awiseman 15:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Is the list even necessary? TaintedMustard 19:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

No love for Ronnie Lott?

Haddix is the best cornerback in the game, just check his attributes: tbdotcom.tecmosuperbowl.org/superteam I added a few more players to the Best Players section, including Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson. To answer if the section is necessary - Is the entire Tecmo wiki page even necessary? It's for fun, what else are you going to put on this page, anyway? I thought it might actually be good to expand the Best Players section, and list players by position. Instead of just saying "Best" whatever, though, you could identify the most important traits for the position. For example, you could have "Fastest Running Backs," "Best Receivers," "Most Accurate QBs" (using highest Pass Control) and "Hardest Throwing QBs" (using Passing Speed), "Fastest Defenders," "Hardest Hitting Defenders," "Highest Interception Rating," and so on. This might be a good way to start explaining about the ratings if anyone thinks that is necessary. -- --BoRagnar 18:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC) ("Bo FB Offtackle Left" from Tecmo Repository Message Boards)

Okay, Mr. Awisea--, I see you've been tinkering with this page for a year, so do you have some idea of where you want it to go, or do you just get off on deleting other people's stuff? Based on your Haddix comment, you obviously don't have the first clue about the game, so what's the deal? The "Best Players" section did a very good job of highlighting some household names that put the game in the context of its time period. It would be nice for someone not familiar with the game to see that some old favorites are in it. The page isn't even that big yet, why did you delete the section? It was not getting out of hand. --BoRagnar 20:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * First off, calm down. Secondly, this page isn't for fun, it's an encyclopedia. Everybody has different opinions of who the "best" players are, as people play different styles of defense, and even "best" is unclear - does it mean best in real life, or best in the game? I prefer Bob Nelson on the Packers, as he is insanely fast, and seems faster than Haddix to me. But are we going to put every person's favorite player? that would be silly and the list would be too long. Thus I don't think the various Best Players lists you suggested are necessary, as different people also have different opinions of what the most important characteristics are. Wikipedia is not supposed to have original research, which is what this sounds like to me. Maybe it's better to put that information in one of the video game wikis, like this article says from the WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games:


 * "Articles on computer and video games should give an encyclopedia overview of what the game is about, not a detailed description of how to play it. Such topics should be moved to one of the gaming wikis: GameInfo, Encyclopedia Gamia, or StrategyWiki, due to the pending deletion of the Wikibooks computer and video games bookshelf."

Your thoughts? --Awiseman 21:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I didn't realize at first there was a separate Tecmo wiki, apologies. I put in a new "Great Players" list here, anyway, just to see how it would look. I actually changed my mind about the specifics, and just listed the "Best" five for each position. I agree that the list was too subjective. What I have compiled is a (almost)completely objective list based strictly on the game's attributes. For QB it's mostly Pass Control, RB is Maximum Speed (Okoye is the exception, I'm open to other opinions on him), Receiver is Receiving ability, and Defensive line and Linebacker is mostly Rushing Power. This is the primary attribute that controls a defensive player's speed, that's why Bob Nelson IS the fastest defensive player. (Richard Dent is there because he is the only lineman with 44 Interception ability. I'm open to other opinions on him.) Defensive back is open to debate between whether speed or Interception ability is most important. If you add up Running Speed, Rushing Power, Maximum Speed, Hitting Power, and Interception ability, you get the top five that you see. I'm open to other opinions here. I know a lot of people like Mark Carrier for his 81 Interecepting ability, and that's a valid point. --BoRagnar 01:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

One more request - if anyone else reads this page, what do you think of my list? Should it stay or should it go? I would request at least a few days to let others consider it or make slight changes before scrapping the whole thing. If a few people express that it is unnecessary and clutters the page, I'll let it go. The main reason I think it should be there is what I first stated - those not familiar with the game can see how many famous players are in it, and they might get interested enough to try the game. Thanks. --BoRagnar 01:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a good list and your rationale is sound, but again I think it should be deleted. It's original (though good) research, and what usually happens to lists on here is that everybody then adds their favorite whatever it is, and the list gets out of control. Maybe a brief sentence like "some notable players in Tecmo Super Bowl are..." and list a couple. A separate page for your list might be ok, but again, it's original research. I think the best solution is that you should work on a page on the video games Wiki with best players, best defense, offense, kick returners, etc and then link to it from here. I'd help out with it too, my pals and I have a Tecmo Super Bowl website with who we think is best and such. What do you think about that? --Awiseman 02:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Eh, whatever you want to do. I'm not as married to the idea as I was. I started adding to this site: Tecmo Wiki so I'll probably just make some "Best Players" lists over there. I'm thinking about adding some of the team pages, too, depending on how quickly other people get to them - several people expressed a willingness to do team pages. I have no interest in starting my own page for TSB at one of those gaming Wikis. If the Tecmo Wiki ever pans out, I'll put a link to it on this site if someone else doesn't. What is your TSB site, by the way? --BoRagnar 23:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you have the new wiki (very cool, btw) I will remove the best players list and link to yours. My site is http://www.geocities.com/squidpants/tecmo.html --Awiseman 21:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a thought, why not add Barry Sanders when mentioning ungoddly abilities? I know some consider him the best, but when he was in "excellent" condition, he could break any tackle and get away from any defender. I once took him to a 4,018-yard season. Barry was great, but he was human. Same condition applies to Christian Okoye. Sohioan


 * FYI - the reason Wayne Haddix is so good in the game is because in the 1990 season with TB, he actually made 7 interceptions for 231 yards and 3 TDs, earning him a ProBowl appearance...and evidently, he did absolutely nothing else in his entire career, which is why nobody knows who he is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.46.99.196 (talk • contribs).

Screenshots

 * How about some actual pictures of the gameplay? 129.22.58.144 21:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

SNES version
The SNES version doesn't have as many problems as the original. This is probably due to it being an update.


 * 1) You can adjust the quarter time for preseason mode, but not for season mode.
 * 2) I seem to recall being able to do touchbacks in the SNES version.
 * 3) I remember vaguely that the player statistics weren't as bad as they said.

There was mention in the article that "There are no defensive substitions, nor defensive injuries." - I was playing regular season mode with the Minnesota Vikings while on defense, Carlos Jenkins had a fumble recorvery, started running and was tackled. The image of the lone injuried player on teh feild with the two medics came runnings out to get him. Next the image of the medics assisting Jenkins off was shown. The game then took me to the Defensive Roster, where I could not make a defensive subsititution. Basicly I was stuck there, and could not make a move, because the game does not allow defensive roster changes.

So I woul go so far as to say defensive players can get hurt...but you just have to restart the game at that point.

FYI - the reason Wayne Haddix is so good in the game is because in the 1990 season with TB, he actually made 7 interceptions for 231 yards and 3 TDs, earning him a ProBowl appearance...and evidently, he did absolutely nothing else in his entire career, which is why nobody knows who he is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.46.99.196 (talk • contribs).

TSB quirks
This section violates Wikipedia's No Original Research policy. The section should not be in unless there is an adequate source. Please see Wikipedia Attribution for further details.++ aviper2k7 ++ 22:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Tecmosuperbowl.png
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CPU difficulty and part of Sequels
.. just an Original Research fest. I'm going to AGF and leave it alone, and see if I can source any of it. It sounds highly unlikely that I'll find anything. I would encourage whoever knows more about this game than others to do the same. If not, it's just going to have to be deleted. Wikidan829 13:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:TSB.jpg
Image:TSB.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot 04:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I went and added one. Wizardman  11:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Noseguard Blitz
Why is there no mention of the NG blitz on this page? It has been several years since I have played, but if you chose a team wih a fast NG, San Fran for instance, you could perform the NG blitz.

The NG blitz was where you could quickly move to the left, straight in and dive and sack the QB, it takes a few tries to master the quickness of the timing, but if you are attempting a pass or handoff up the middle you were sacked before you could even move.

This is a HUGE advantage in Super Tecmo Bowl. I taught my friend how to do it and our games evolved into having to be in shotgun formation because there was absolutely no wya to stop the NG blitz.

Again, it had to be a team with a good NG or one that had and Excellent rating at the time.

Confusion
This article is a bit confusing because it references the SNES version in a few places but there doesn't seem to be a section about that particular version. I could have SWORN that I had Tecmo Bowl and Tecmo Super Bowl for the NES, but that the game I had for SNES was actually called "Super Tecmo Bowl". But... I did some research and find out that they make Tecmo Super Bowl I, II, and III for SNES. Guess I ate too many paint chips as a kid. --Bloodzombie 21:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you're fine. This is the release list;


 * 1) Tecmo Bowl (1988) - NES
 * 2) Tecmo Super Bowl (1991) - NES
 * 3) Tecmo Super Bowl (1993) - SNES
 * 4) Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition (1994) - SNES
 * 5) Tecmo Super Bowl III: Final Edition (1995) - SNES
 * 6) Tecmo Super Bowl (1997) - PS

This article needs some major work, though. Tarc 03:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Tecmo Tournaments
Do not insert the names of the "current champs" in the Tecmo Tournaments because they do not belong in this article. They bring no relevant information to the article and the title of champion is highly suspect. Cheers!!! Baegis 14:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Unamed Players
There are certain players whose names are not used in the game. For example, Jim Kelly, the quarterback for the Buffalo Bills at the time has no name or portrait in his bio, and is referred to as "QB Bills." This is significant and needs to be stated somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.36.120 (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it was at some point. Unsure why it was removed. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 18:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Series
Is the series "Tecmo Bowl" or "Tecmo Super Bowl"? I would be inclined to say "Tecmo Bowl," since that's how it started and the most recent incarnation is the DS offering Tecmo Bowl: Kickoff.--Korben Dallas25 (talk) 22:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

/* External links */ Redundancy in external links corrected
If it is deemed unnecessary to include the tecmo.us link, then it is alo unneccessary to include the puretecmo.com link. There is also an issue with a contributor continuing to put 3 "links" that lead to 1 place which I have removed down to 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InformationalONLY (talk • contribs) 18:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read Wikipedia's guidelines on external links: WP:EL --AW (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * How does the external link puretecmo.com follow those guidelines? — Preceding unsigned comment added by InformationalONLY (talk • contribs) InformationalONLY (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Listen to Awiseman. The EL section is not for fansites, notice boards, gamer sites, chat rooms, bulletin boards, etc etc. And will you please start signing your messages? Thank you. 207.157.121.52 (talk) 18:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that clarification and the clean up of the external links. I am new here and am trying to help with the unneccessary spamming of wikipedia gaming pages as well.  However, when it seemed only one link was being removed it appeared more to be on purpose when none of the others links were removed that fall under the same category.  As when I would remove the others, they would come back and that one would not.InformationalONLY (talk) 19:02, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Hacking, Editing & the Like
Seeing that NES TSB has been dead since 1991, I would like to create on section about the expansions and updates that the community has done to keep the game alive. I am looking for feedback from other editors on such an endeavor. The intentions are not to create a spat of right or wrong, but rather showcase what has transpired over the past 21 years. Davefmurray (talk) 17:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

That would be fine, as long as everything was cited by reliable, secondary sources. WP:VG/RS provides a good starting point. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

SNES/Genesis versions
Why are the SNES/Genesis versions not mentioned on this article? I mean, come on, I'm still looking for a reliable source that would fit the parameters of the site, and most of these arguments above are over a decade old. They just deserve at least a little mention. Sheesh. Johnnysama (talk) 17:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * They are mentioned (unsourced) in the Sequels and Related games section. The argument seems to be that this was essentially a different game with the same name plus improvements and expansion, which does often happen. I have no opinion on that. If we can find some sources, we can integrate it back in more fully. WP:VG/S has a list of vetted reliable sources for video games. Most print magazines also count. -- ferret (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. I didn't notice it there. And the original NES Tecmo Bowl actually had NINE players on a team. Johnnysama (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2018 (UTC)