Talk:Ted W. Lawson

Merges and redirects to this article
The Ruptured Duck (aircraft), Dean Davenport, Charles McClure, Robert Cleaver, and David Thatcher articles have been merged into and redirected here per recommendations on the MILHIST talk page here. The Ruptured Duck article was 90% repetitive information that already appeared in this article, while the other crewmembers' notability lay in being members of Lawson's crew during the raid. Broken Sphere Msg me 22:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Rewrote the lead paragraph under WWII to improve readability - it used to sound like all 16 B-25s were known as the ruptured duck. Although longer, I think "had to have" the amputation sounds better than "had" - it wasn't like he wanted the leg removed...jmdeur 15:24 6 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.148.60.151 (talk)

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Lawson Army Airfield
I've started discussion about the naming of Lawson Army Airfield at Talk:Lawson Army Airfield. —C.Fred (talk) 01:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I found no evidence to support Ted Lawson being the son of Walter R. Lawson, for whom Lawson Army Airfield was originally named, so I removed that info from the Wiki. Really need some more supporting evidence for the airfield being named for both Lawsons, but I'llm leave that "as is" for now. Sector001 (talk) 08:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

wrong photo
- The photo is not of Lawson, it is of Lt Charles L. McClure, Lawson's navigator. It is cropped from the 5-man crew photo which shows McClure at left in the second row, and Lawson at left in the front row. The mistake was caused because the crew photo in Wikipedia is labeled ambiguously: is simply identifies all 5 crew members from leff-to-right... it should identify the front row left-to-right (Lawson and Davenport), and then the second row left-to-right (McClure, Clever (not "Cleaver"), and Thatcher). Ruptured Duck (talk) 02:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The correction made on the Ted Lawson article has compounded the error further. The proper correction would have been to change the photo from that of McClure to Lawson. Instead, the photo of McClure still remains but the caption under the photo has been changed. Thus, we still have an article about Lawson, but have a photo of McClure (albeit correctly identfying him). If the error cannot be corrected, it might be better to remove the photo completely than to show a photo of one of Lawson's crew members. Paa123 (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the most UNFRIENDLY site I've ever been on. I cannot find with any certainty and consistency pages to make comments on an article, and, if I am able to do so, I am unable to recieve any intellegent, or otherwise, response to my comments. In October, I pointed out that the photo for Ted Lawson article was of him, but his navigator, Jim McCleur. Several others have made to same observation, but no one has seen fit to make to necesary changes --- not even the User for that article. Unless the User can participate in correcting Wikepeda in a timely manner, he/she should abdicate his/her role.

Paa123 (talk) 23:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think we have the correct photo of Lawson now, but can't be for sure -- someone else uploaded it. To my eyes it doesn't bear that much of a resemblance to the confirmed Lawson photo used on the dust cover of his book, which also is of the same time period. I guess if the pic is still FUBAR someone will catch it, hopefully. Sector001 (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Sole Author, not Co-Author, of Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo?
I have raised the same issue on Bob Considine's wikipedia page, where the lede cites the book Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo.

The following is a quote from the American Film Institute Catalog entry on Thirty Seconds over Tokyo, saying that the onscreen authorship credits are wrong.

"Onscreen credits list Ted W. Lawson and Robert Considine as authors of both "the book" and a "story" in Collier's magazine. Lawson was the sole author of the book Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, however, and Considine is not listed in contemporary sources as Lawson's co-author in any published Collier's story or article. In the credits of the copyright cutting continuity, which was submitted two months prior to the film's release, the word " Collier's " is crossed off, leaving the word "story." Considine did co-write an article with Lawson entitled "Birth of a Book: Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo," which was published in the 19 Jul 1943 issue of Time magazine, but it is not known if that article was a source of the film, or if Considine, who was an M-G-M contract writer, merely worked on a story treatment with Lawson. In addition, War Department records, Bureau of Public Relations, contained at NARS, indicate that the file on the film included galleys for a Collier's article by Lawson entitled "Aeronautical Engineer," but it is not known if that article was used in any way, or if it was published under another title. Lawson book, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, was first published in Collier's between 22 May and 26 Jun 1943."

In this article, under the heading "Author", a detailed description of this co-authoring arrangement is provided, but no source is cited. Judging by the book cover displayed there, Considine deserves an editing credit, but there is a world of difference between co-authoring and editing.

I would not trust the very entertaining comment (in Considine's Wikipedia bio) from TIME about Considine's prolific ghostwriting without additional confirmation. AFI clearly put some effort into their research.

Lawson is not described as sharing authorship with anyone on either the Official Website of the raiders or that of the Children of the Raiders.Merry medievalist (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Update On February 14, 1954, in an article headlined "Great Men and Events for Younger Readers" The New York Times' subhead credits Considine as editor, not co-author. Merry medievalist (talk) 03:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Location of aircraft's landing during Tokyo raid
This artical says "off the coast of the small island of Nantien", Doolittle Raid says "ditched at sea Changshu, China". Both do not list sources. Any idea which one is right? Guoguo914 (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Birthplace
Article shows Alameda and Fresno. So which is it?

Doolittle was born in Alameda so maybe that's how this strand got added to this bowl of spaghetti.

FWIW: there is only ONE book or movie that the Raiders regard as authorative and accurate.

dbryant_94560 (forgot my password) 2601:640:CC80:5B0:CCAF:7B79:231E:6E06 (talk) 20:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)