Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012 TV series) season 5

Scroll of the Demodragon
Scroll of the Demodragon will air on 25 March 2017 see http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-scroll-of-the-demodragon/EP015893230124?aid=tvschedule J 1982 (talk) 17:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2017
JulianRuiz54432 (talk) 01:04, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2017
There are a couple of episodes that are coming, so can I edit? I'm new at this. JulianRuiz54432 (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2017
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add teenage mutant ninja turtles descriptions
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Edit warring
There's an edit war about alternate futures. The disruptive editing needs to stop. Pinging and. Do either of you have sources to support your claims?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 06:52, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I tried to ask a question but u never answered so what was I supposed to do and honestly reporting me for making an edit that is uncalled for like at least talk to me Jesus Thefinalchapter (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2018
I would like to remove the part in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle 2012 wikipedia page of season 5 plot where it says "In an another dimension inhabited by anthropomorphic animals in Feudal Japan, a lone rabbit Ronin named Miyamoto Usagi has been given a task to protect an unpleasant Pug named Kintaro, who is deemed as the 'Golden Child' of the Sky Budda. While the Gray Wolf wizard Jei had transported the turtles into his reality as hitmen to stop Usagi & Kintaro from ever reaching the Temple of the Sky Budda. With nowhere else to go, the Turtles allied themselves with Usagi himself to take Kintaro to the Temple before Jei prepare for his endgame.

In an alternate future, a post-apocalyptic wasteland has been caused by a mutagen bomb. Raphael, who is now weathered, and Donatello, who is now an android, scour a wasteland that was once their home of New York City. While encountering a Meerkat named Mira who is hunted by a Honey Badger named Verminator Rex and his gang of bikers much like the brothers. Mira herself reveals that she holds a Map imprinted on her arm that leads to a Haven called 'The Green Paradise', where the trio must find wise turtle called 'the Holy Chalupa', which turned out to be Michelangelo, while being accompanied by a full grown Chompy Picasso and the Ice Cream Kitty. Despite the reunion, the brothers & Mira were later ambushed by Verminator Rex as they take them to their lair for Combat under mutant leader Imperius Reptilicus. With Raphael declared the Winner, Verminator Rex retreats to his Master, Maximus Kong at his mobile fortress, learning that the Turtles and Mira has lead a party that will lead them to their destination. Until Maximus Kong and his Fortress intervenes them in a showdown between him and the Red Stripes. In a shocking revelation, Maximus Kong reveals to Raphael as Leonardo himself, as he became Maximus Kong due to a secondary mutation during the bombing, which led him in a mad catatonic state of insanity that made him to become Maximus Kong. But Raphael's love for his brother frees Leonardo from his rage, getting to accept his new mutation and where all four brothers are reunited and have arrived at 'the Green Paradise' known as the Oasis with Mira. A shot shows the four Turtles and Splinter taking a picture together. This is followed by Leonardo holding a picket sign in dedication to the creators of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise, Peter Laird & Kevin Eastman.

In the series finale, the Turtles once again meet their counterparts from the 1987 series, where their versions of the Shredder and Krang had fled to the 2012 reality where they seek help in the form of the 2012 versions of Bebop & Rocksteady as they plan to conquer both dimensions. The Mighty Mutanimals were later enlisted by the Turtles themselves to stop Bebop & Rocksteady." because that is wrong. This person keeps deleting my edits because this person doesn't have the sources that says otherwise. This person believes that this is how the series ends but the creators of this show have specially told me and many others that it is written otherwise

Here is the source where it talks about that the alternate future thing should be last (redacted)

Please don't let whoever else is editing this page make anymore edits because he is wrong and i am right. what the plot for season 5 should be is "Following Splinter's death and the Super Shredder's destruction at the hands of Leonardo, the Turtles, April O'Neil, Casey Jones and Karai have all moved on with their daily lives as Leo is given even greater responsibility as sensei in Splinter's request. However, Tiger Claw and an underground cult dedicated only to the Foot Clan have plans to bring back the Shredder with the help of a Demodragon named Kavaxas. But through the eyes of the Turtles and the Foot, not all is as seems when Kavaxas reveals his true colors after bringing back the Super Shredder back to life in the form of an undead zombie.

A flashback shows how Splinter and the four Turtles as babies founded their underground lair, while being pursued by the Kraang. Of such after his victory, Splinter has been given a second chance of fatherhood by naming the infant Turtles after his favorite Italian artists of the Renaissance.

Back in the present, during Halloween, the Turtles and their time-traveling ally, Renet, are reunited with their enemy, Savanti Romero. As he plans to turn all of New York City into a monster-filled dystopia, while sending them back in time at Transylvania, during the age of Dracula and 1810's Central Europe, with Frankenstein.

Raphael's Salamandrian girlfriend, Mona Lisa and their friend, Sal Commander arrived on Earth asking the Turtles in their aid to find the Newtralizer, who had just received unlimited power in search of the Utroms to destroy them. As it was later revealed that the Newtralizer was working with Lord Dregg, who had cheated his death from the Triceratons while swearing his revenge on the Turtles. Where he launch his original invasion Salamandrian home world Salamandria, putting Mona Lisa and Sal Commander in a goose chase with the Newtralizer, all the way in his new living command ship, reveling in the fact he could now get his revenge on both the Turtles and the Salamandrians by taking over Earth and using the human population for his own malicious intent in the form of Vreen eggs.

The Turtles once again meet their counterparts from the 1987 series, where their versions of the Shredder and Krang had fled to the 2012 reality where they seek help in the form of the 2012 versions of Bebop & Rocksteady as they plan to conquer both dimensions. The Mighty Mutanimals were later enlisted by the Turtles themselves to stop Bebop & Rocksteady.

In an another dimension inhabited by anthropomorphic animals in Feudal Japan, a lone rabbit Ronin named Miyamoto Usagi has been given a task to protect an unpleasant Pug named Kintaro, who is deemed as the 'Golden Child' of the Sky Budda. While the Gray Wolf wizard Jei had transported the turtles into his reality as hitmen to stop Usagi & Kintaro from ever reaching the Temple of the Sky Budda. With nowhere else to go, the Turtles allied themselves with Usagi himself to take Kintaro to the Temple before Jei prepare for his endgame.

Fifty years later in a post-apocalyptic wasteland future that has been caused by a Mutagen Bomb, Raphael, who is now weathered, and Donatello, who is now an android, scour a wasteland that was once their home of New York City. While encountering a Meerkat named Mira who is hunted by a Honey Badger named Verminator Rex and his gang of bikers much like the brothers. Mira herself reveals that she holds a Map imprinted on her arm that leads to a Haven called 'The Green Paradise', where the trio must find wise turtle called 'the Holy Chalupa', which turned out to be Michelangelo, while being accompanied by a full grown Chompy Picasso and the Ice Cream Kitty. Despite the reunion, the brothers & Mira were later ambushed by Verminator Rex as they take them to their lair for Combat under mutant leader Imperius Reptilicus. With Raphael declared the Winner, Verminator Rex retreats to his Master, Maximus Kong at his mobile fortress, learning that the Turtles and Mira has lead a party that will lead them to their destination. Until Maximus Kong and his Fortress intervenes them in a showdown between him and the Red Stripes. In a shocking revelation, Maximus Kong reveals to Raphael as Leonardo himself, as he became Maximus Kong due to a secondary mutation during the bombing, which led him in a mad catatonic state of insanity that made him to become Maximus Kong. But Raphael's love for his brother frees Leonardo from his rage, getting to accept his new mutation and where all four brothers are reunited and have arrived at 'the Green Paradise' known as the Oasis with Mira.

A shot shows the four Turtles and Splinter taking a picture together. This is followed by Leonardo holding a picket sign in dedication to the creators of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise, Peter Laird & Kevin Eastman."

Thank you and have a good day Thefinalchapter (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Try using the sources i provided now.

Thats my instagram account and the creator of the show specially told me and others that that is how it supposed to be here is another source the creates are Ciro Nieli and Brandon Auman

Also the official IMDB for this series agrees with me look... all you have to do is scroll down and you will see where they agree with me. I strongly think that an IMDB page is a reliable source and why does this matter to you so much we are literally arguing about Ninja Turtles like come on man.

are you actually being serious about this, i provided sources, you asked for sources where the CREATORS OF THE SHOW have said what i am saying to be true, IMDB should be a reliable source because a lot of people look there to find out information about movies and tv shows so you have to be wrong about that.

please tell me why your edit is right and my edits should be wrong and blocked. Blocking me was uncalled for. I just joined wikipedia and you block me. You blocked me about a TV show which is ridiculous. DID you watch the show please tell me why you are right and I am Wrong.

now you aren't even going to respond to what i am asking this is ridiculous that i have to go through this because what you think is wrong. I'm giving you all i have. Before you arrived on this season 5 page my edits were fine and no one had problems with it but because you think otherwise i have to face problems like this is beyond disappointing. i gave you sources that you asked for the creators of the show agree with me, imdv agrees with me there is nothing else i can give i can't believe you are going against what the creators of a show that you probably never watched said.

can you please respond to me. I'm asking nicely I'm not even cursing or trying to do anything bad I'm just talking so can you please answer me.

I know that but it says that you answered with a no can you please just accept my editing request please i am such a big fan of this show and i don't want it to end with injustice please please just accept my editing request and it also says that you reported me and that you were the one that did this to me which makes me upset because i bet you probably didn't even watch the show and I'm just saying what the creators of the show said so please just make the page unprotected and also when the page was protected the last edit was my edit so how did u get around it to change my edit AGAIN when it was PROTECTED TO PREVENT VANDALISM. Dude please just let me change it back please dude please. @EvergreenFi I am literally begging you at this point please just let me edit the season 5 plot to how it is supposed to be please I'm just asking you nicely.

when does the semi protected end. and when it does end can i please edit it to what its supposed to be edited it please.

also here is another source from youtube that also says that the future thing is the finale and not an alternate future also also also the last dvd even has the future episode as the last episode so please just let me CHANGE YOUR EDIT WHICH IS FALSE

ALSO look at the production order for season 5 the creators said that nickelodeon changed the production order of the show for some reason and he said that the future epodes were intended to be the last episodes. Also how can u tell a fan of the show is wrong. how can u say that the creators words are not reliable i really don't wanna start something so please just unblock me and we won't have any more issues okay. u can do what u want on wikipedia but please just let me be and let me edit what i want to edit because your edit is false. You don't know the show, you never spoke to the creators of the show, you just want it to be your way and your wrong dude I've been nothing but nice and cooperative this whole time so can you PLEASE just let me do what i want to do PLEASE

Okay i just found out that the semi protection ends in a few days, now if i edit it will u report me again or will you just be a nice person and just leave it be because really this is not fair to be honest you should just let me do what i think is right because i am right, you probably don't even understand why this is such a big deal to me so when this protection ends all I'm asking is for you to be kind and just let me re edit it and not have ny more problems with you ever again, that is all I'm asking literally if you let me do it i will never ever talk to you again ill just say thank you thats it so please just answer this notification and i won't edit war again if u let me edit it to what i had it before
 * The sources you provided are (1) not working and (2) not reliable sources. You assert that "he is wrong and i am right", but the burden is on you to show you're right.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:27, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * An unverified Instagram account from a random user is not a reliable source.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It's still not a reliable source. Neither is IMDB. Please read WP:RS.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:RS. Or pose your questions about sources at the reliable source noticeboard.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Your edits are not blocked. The page has been semi-protected because of edit warring. This isn't about being right or wrong, it's about the fact that your claims cannot be verified with reliable sources. Please see WP:TRUTH. It it's incorrect to say there was no problem with your edits. Multiple editors reverted them, and you (and an IP address user) kept re-adding them.
 * I know Wikipedia can be frustrating and that the learning curve is steep, but there are rules and guidelines to follow. The top of your user talk page has a number of links for you to read regarding the rules here. I'll send you a Teahouse invite as well that you can use to ask questions to other editors.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 20:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok I see that somehow I have the right to make edits again and I said I wouldn’t edit war, you have my word on that but...if I do make an edit to this page will u delete my edit or will it get deleted?

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2018
can someplace just help me out here, i just want to fix the page cuz the recent edit change is false and now some evergreenfir person has made it so that i am blocked from editing because he doesn't like the changes that i made. that is why i think i am blocked. Also this person is saying that other editors are in on this too and when i looked at how i got reported, it was only one person and it was this evergreenfir guy so please someone help me out to get unblocked Thefinalchapter (talk) 22:28, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Also if you would've just stopped deleting my edits in the first place there would've never been an edit war so technically this is your fault because i was editing it to what is right and you being you didn't like me doing what is right so this is your fault this would've never ever happened if you would've just left it alone
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ToThAc (talk) 00:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit war
Hello. I wasn't one of the users named in the edit war. But, I've been editing and re-editing this page, and was pretty much getting drawn into an edit war (or at least on the verge of it). My apologies for my part in that. Next time, I shall go to the Talk page...as stated in the rules that I have now read a little more closely. Things were frankly getting ridiculous, so I chose to step away for a while. Seems things have escalated. I wanted to discuss this first, before just editing again. Note: The point of contention is a special known as Raphael: Mutant Apocalypse (Wasteland Warrior, Impossible Desert, Carmageddon). Long story short: there is a bit of controversy in the TMNT fandom over this arc, since the executive producer, Ciro Nieli, initially intended for this to be the series finale (despite serious contradictions to the canon, which I will not go into here). But, he was overruled by Nickelodeon. Another point of contention is the Wanted:Bebop and Rocksteady episodes (the last set of episodes to premiere on TV, and the official series finale, according to Nickelodeon). From my understanding,it looks like the Mutant Apocalypse episoders were referred to as an "alternate future" on this page shortly after the episode aired, if I am looking at the page history correctly. So, that is not a new concept, and that description remained for months without issue. Then, it all of a sudden got changed in early December 2017 without explanation. I attempted to change it back to that prior description, but it kept getting changed. A few times, I have edited the plot section in order to more accurately reflect the airing order (the same order as seen in the Episodes section), but it keeps getting changed. Here is the airing order as well, from the Nickelodeon website: http://www.nick.com/ninja-turtles/season-5/

A couple questions first:

1) Is the official TMNT twitter allowed as a source/reference?  I noticed that it is the link for reference #18  https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/911333190438129664 at the bottom of the page, and it has been allowed to remain there.  If so, that link confirms that Nickelodeon, which owns TMNT, has made Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady the series finale.  I have no objection to a note stating that Carmageddon is the last episode produced.  But, referring to that episode as "the actual finale" is inaccurate. One only needs to look at the airing schedule.  However, this change keeps getting made in the Episodes section.  I, once again, have no objection to it being referred to as "the last episode produced" because that is accurate.   If the TMNT twitter is allowed as a source, there is an additional link where that account confirms that the Mutant Apocalypse arc is non-canon. There is also a behind-the scenes production video which says "in this reality" when referring to the arc, which lends support to the arc happening in an alternate reality.

2) Is TVShowsonDVD.com an acceptable source? There's a link to that site for reference #17, which has been allowed to remain. If so there's a link to an official press release for the final DVD referring to the Mutant Apocalypse arc as "another dimension".

If the above sources are not acceptable, that is fine. It's only a cartoon after all :)

Thank you for your time.

PlainsRider (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally, verified Twitter accounts for companies are reliable for info about that company (WP:SPS).  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Why r u doing this to me man. Ciro said that it’s canon and the true finale it literally takes place 50 years later just stay away from here don’t get involved in this Thefinalchapter (talk) 23:50, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Mutant Apocalypse is canon and if you were a true fan you would know this because you aren’t a true fan you are just some guy who doesn’t know anything about it and I know who You are and I’m sure you know who I am but blocking me so you can be right is just ridiculous you are wrong if a creator of a show says it’s canon then it is canon you are so wrong. Thefinalchapter (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You must provide reliable sources, as I've already explained to you before. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2018
I would Like to edit this page because I was looking at the plot for this season of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and in the plot all the episodes are in order of production order The wanted bebop and rocksteady isn't the finale. If you are going by production order which this page is, then you should follow it correctly. The dvd releases for this season also follows the production order of the series so why is the plot different. Harrywall38 (talk) 18:46, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Also, it's unclear how you know what the production order of the series is, or how you would provide verification of the production order. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Plot section
@Harrywall38: I am addressing you in the hope of avoiding another edit war when the protection for this page expires. You stated in the section above that "Wanted" is not the finale. That is not accurate, as seen here: https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/911333190438129664. It is indeed the official series finale. This is a verified Twitter account, and from my understanding of the Wikipedia rules, it is acceptable as a reference. Nickelodeon is the owner of TMNT, and has been since ~2009. The Plot section was previously edited to better reflect the order in the Episodes section (which is in the order of airing). I have no objection to further edits to the Plot section to more accurately reflect the airing order, and to better match up with the Episodes section. Otherwise, the Plot section is already accurate. I would also note that the DVDs do not accurately reflect production order, either. This includes the final DVD. Nor are they in airing order. Which makes sense, since this was an anthology season with more self-contained story arcs. Here is the airing order (with episode numbers) for Season 5 from the Nickelodeon website, if that helps: http://www.nick.com/ninja-turtles/season-5/

PlainsRider (talk) 18:34, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a random note for editors to keep in the back of their minds, episode numbers do not necessarily correlate to production order. Only someone intimately connected to a series would know what the actual production order is, and this would be very difficult to prove to an encyclopedia's satistfaction. Episodes in production can be moved around, depending upon the needs of the producers. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

I recently made a few edits, and am discussing them here in order to possibly prevent another edit war. I corrected the description of the Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady episode to reflect that it is the official series finale. Here is a link for proof:  https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/911333190438129664 I also restored parts of the Raphael: Mutant Apocalypse description for better accuracy. PlainsRider (talk) 14:37, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Restored it again along with a few changes. Happy to discuss and provide any necessary links for support PlainsRider (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb Sorry if I'm pinging the wrong person, but what is the next step if the other editor in a dispute does not participate in a discussion on the talk page? They may just not be aware of it's existence, so I was going to give them another chance to discuss it on the Talk page (by mentioning it in the edit summary). Not sure how it works for anonymous users, though. Sorry if I missed this info on one of the pages I reviewed, but I don't recall seeing it (there was info on what to do if a Talk page discussion fails). Thanks! PlainsRider (talk) 11:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The editor Harrywall38 doesn't appear active. You've waited long enough for a response from him. Typically for basic disputes if a normally-active editor doesn't respond in a week or two (depending on the severity of the dispute, I might wait longer for a more controversial change) I would typically just make the change. Users don't get to stonewall changes to the article by voicing an objection and then disappearing/going silent for weeks/months. Since WP:CONSENSUS is largely determined through discussion, we need the discussion. You *could* drop a Talkback template on the user's page if you were so inclined, but I don't think it's warranted at this stage. Logged-in users have the ability to add articles to their watchlists, which tell them when new changes have been made. IP editors, however, do not have watchlists, so they (conveniently?) don't always know there's a discussion on the talk page. For IPs that you're in dispute with, I'd surely drop the Talkback template on their talk page. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb Thank you for the info. I agree that Harrywall38 does not appear to be active. It seems the anonymous individual has reverted my changes again. Since this is pretty much becoming an edit war, I am going to hold off on editing the page further. I have placed a Talkback template on the IP user's page Talk page. If I don't get any response by two weeks' from now, is it appropriate to edit again, or what is the appropriate next step at this point (here's my concern: based on past history, any changes will likely be reverted, thus potentially leading to an edit war). Thanks! PlainsRider (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Plot section and episodes
I recently made a few edits to the Plot and Episodes section. They have been reverted multiple times over the past day by an anonymous user. I am going to hold off on making any more edits at this time, and instead invite them to discuss it further as this seems to be turning into an edit war. One point of contention seems to be the status of Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady (which also includes the episodes "The Foot Walks Again" and "The Big Blow-out" as the official series finale. I understand that the official TMNT twitter can be used as a source.  If so, here is supporting the above statement :  https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/911333190438129664 I can also provide a link from the official TMNT twitter where they confirm that the special is non-canon (this is in a thread where they are talking with other Twitter users). If any admins have any additional input, I welcome that as well. Thanks! PlainsRider (talk) 19:08, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

And since there has been no response countering my claims from the fellow editor on this page, I shall assume there is no objection to my making another edit. If there are any concerns regarding this, admins, please feel free to speak up :) PlainsRider (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Re: changes. The source I provided referred to "Wanted" as the finale. So, I changed the descriptions in the corresponding Plot and Episodes section to reflect that. I completely removed the part stating "regarded amongst most as the official series finale", as there was no source to back that up (this includes the source from the thefutoncritic). I'm not opposed to saying that the special was the last set of episodes to be produced, and was initially intended to be the finale (though I'm not sure there is an official source from Nickelodeon to confirm that). But, we would need to include the fact that Nick overruled that decision and has in fact treated the special as "non-canon" (with evidence from the official Twitter). But, calling it the "real" finale is simply inaccurate. I partially restored the beginning of the Mutant Apocalypse section to better reflect what it said before the dispute began. PlainsRider (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Just addressing a few issues with the main page, since this is turning into an edit war. 1) Please explain the rationale behind removing the phrase "series finale",  when the provided reference explicitly refers to the episode/special in question as the finale. 2) Please provide a source from Nickelodeon proving that "Mutant Apocalypse"  is "still considered the real series finale". I do not recall Nickelodeon ever referring to the special as the series finale. Not even once. However, there is a thread on the official TMNT twitter confirming that the special is not even considered "canon" by Nickelodeon, as well as a behind the scenes video from the official TMNT twitter referring to the special as "this reality", as opposed to "in the future". If you're referring to fan opinion, in general, then I will have to ask that you please provide a source for that claim. 3) The references to Ciro Nieli's original intentions would probably best fit as a note in the episode section.  However, we should also mention the fact that his original plan was overruled by Nickelodeon.   Also, Ciro Nieli is the showrunner, yes, but not the creator of TMNT.  That would be Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird.  4)  I don't have a problem with the phrase,  "the last episodes produced", though I'm not sure whether the futoncritic website is considered an acceptable reference or not. Not sure why the phrase is that important or relevant, but I have no serious objections. 5) For the sake of accuracy, it may not hurt to mention the contradictions with previously established canon, including Renet's existence and the description of the future she comes from (as described in the Season 3 episode, "Turtles in Time").  6) The phrase "due to the setting of the story in the future" does not support an argument for Mutant Apocalypse as the "finale". In fact, it does quite the opposite, since the setting contradicts previously established canon. From a logical standpoint, if Nickelodeon had intended for Mutant Apocalypse to be the series finale, it would have been announced as such on the official social media by Nickelodeon, and would have aired last on the main network. Instead, that treatment was given to "Wanted". PlainsRider (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

No replies so far. I went ahead and made the changes described above. I am open to further discussion PlainsRider (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I just reverted the changes made by an anonymous user, and have left a Talkback on his/her user page, directing him/her here. Please discuss any disagreement here. I would ask that this individual read through this section before engaging in discussion. PlainsRider (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted changes made by an anonymous user 2604:2000:1107:C401:E178:A6E5:BF45:FBA and requested that he/she review the Talk page discussion prior to further editsPlainsRider (talk) 19:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted changes made by anonymous user 2604:2000:1107:C401:E135:FC47:317E:3773, and left a Talkback for him/her. I invite him/her to review the above section and address any concerns here. PlainsRider (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted changes made by anonymous user 2604:2000:1107:C401:C546:D6BE:A412:1C15, and left a Talkback for him/her. I invite him/her to review the above section and address any concerns here. PlainsRider (talk) 23:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67 Apologies for pinging you again. There were issues on this page some months ago (as seen on this Talk page, mainly revolving around a failure to discuss from a certain IP address). Thank you for your past assistance with those issues. Now, there are similar issues coming from a different set of IP addresses. This has been going on intermittently since the fall. I have put Talkbacks on the IP address pages and have reverted the changes, without any response. However, the IP addresses are extremely similar, with nearly identical edits. Do you have any advice? Do you think seeking semi-protection would be a reasonable action? If I need to go back to the Admin noticeboard, that is fine. Thank you for your time. PlainsRider (talk) 23:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * G'day again. I don't think the disruption is happening often enough to justify semi-protection. Just keep reverting every few weeks or whenever they do it, and keep trying to communicate with them. That's about all you can do. If it starts happening more frequently, I might semi-protect it for a bit, but it won't be permanent, so you need to stick with a strategy of revert and communicate. Given they are probably dynamic IPs, there is no point in warning and blocking them. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:23, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Glad I asked. I wasn't sure what the protocol was in this situation. I will just continue to revert (if the user fails to discuss, of course) and leave Talkbacks for now. Thank you for your help! PlainsRider (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Request for discussion
I've asked twice that you please discuss this matter. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I've described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at ANI for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing.— PlainsRider (talk) 20:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC).

I have reverted the edits made by the above user due to lack of discussion on this talk page. Another Talkback has been sent to this user. Alerting Peacemaker67

PlainsRider (talk) 18:20, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've semi'd the page for two weeks to encourage discussion. You've been doing the right thing. I'm afraid a block for the IP is imminent if this edit-warring recurs. I've warned them again. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:52, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted the edits of the above user once again due to continued lack of discussion on the Talk page. Alerting Peacemaker67

PlainsRider (talk) 00:41, 28 September 2018 (UTC)