Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES video game)

Similar to Castlevania
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. There's no over-world in Castelvania at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.190.192.76 (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's badly worded perhaps, it mentions switching to a side view similar to Castlevania and Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, but makes it as if those 2 preceding games have both an overworld/sidescrolling Lmcgregoruk (talk) 21:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC) portion.

Data Mining Attacks
There is a person who is linking their site to articles like this.. it's called world-of-video-games.com .. they link to instruction manuals and then attach crazy ads to the pages. You can't navigate away once you're there. It's bad news. I'm removing it now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.180.163 (talk) 12:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Criticism section
This really needs sourced. It looks like an original review with a "but some others say" bit tacked onto the end. Chris Cunningham 14:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I removed it almost completely. NES version got very good reception. It was difficult to finish (though some managed to complete it) but otherwise there was no problems (most of platform games and arcade adventures on consoles being FAR TOO EASY I don't personally think that this was a problem at all). Computer ports were made quickly and were poor in quality. --128.214.205.6 09:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What's left still needs to be cited. Sold well? Citation, please. Got good reviews? Citation, please. Graphics were regarded as being top-quality? Citation, please. Some people consider it difficult? Et cetera. None of this is encyclopedic — but on the outside chance that somebody can dig up valid sources to confirm these claims, I've left it to stand with appropriate tags. Cribcage 06:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All this information is something that gamers who know this game well acknowledge. Sources are missing, but information is likely to be adequate. The original NES version got good reviews and naturally sold well while computer ports were fastly made crap. --80.221.29.251 13:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Addition to European Wii Virtual Console
The game was added to the Euro VC on 16 March 2007, if that's of any relevance...? - Craig / CALkulon

Two versions?
Can anyone confirm or disconfirm the existence of a second version of this game for the NES? I and several other of my friends who played this game as kids distinctly remember the fire guys in the sewers being capable of reproducing themselves, and the bombs in the second level going off if you left them too early or late, but the version I'm playing right now doesn't have either of those. SydLexia appears to support this. 72.128.20.219 03:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

While I never had an issue of the bombs going off early, the "fire guys" did indeed reproduce. In the article, it was discussed that in the DOS version, there was an uncrossable gap; this was in the NES version as well. More people got that far in the DOS version thanks to a number of cheats to make it easier than the NES edition. Were there multiple releases of the original NES game? or was the game hard enough that virtually no one got to the broken gap? Any light that could be shed on this and included in the article would be appreciated.

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Turtle Info Section Removed
I have removed this section due to the fact that it appeared to contain nothing but gameplay information. Since Wikipedia isn't a game guide, I removed it. -WarthogDemon 02:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Weapon
Can anybody tell me what the weapon in the game called the Kiai is? It's icon appears as scroll. And Nintendo Power referred to it as such when they gave out the strategy to beat Mega Turtle. Sarujo (talk) 06:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Virtual Console game not an "import" in Australia
"On a recent, unknown date, the game's price in Europe and Australia was raised to 600 Wii Points, due to it being, in a way, an import, since it keeps the Ninja title."

The game was released on the NES in Australia as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, not as Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles as was the case in most PAL regions.

Jake Lancaster (talk) 01:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

This version was not released for the Xbox Live Arcade
The article stated that a version was released for the Wii's Virtual Console and the Xbox Live Arcade. The Xbox Live Arcade did not release this game, but the arcade game that was released in the same year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShinobiWan1 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1989 video game) → Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Nintendo Entertainment System) — Relisted.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 21:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC) Vegaswikian (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Confusing name because the arcade game was released on the same year. Disambig named as such because NES is the original platform for this game and by far the most popular version. This naming already has a precedence between Ninja Gaiden articles: Ninja Gaiden (Nintendo Entertainment System) & Ninja Gaiden (arcade) (both released on the same year and NES game was released also for multiple other platforms). Mika1h (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment: Call it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game). "Nintendo Entertainment System" in parentheses makes it sound like a special type of gaming console. Wikkitywack (talk) 06:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game) and was actually going to suggest the exact same thing. It is more precise and not ridiculously long. --WikiDonn (talk) 07:05, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Appose Calling it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game), as it would send a message that the game was produced exclusively for that console - which it wasn't. "1989 video game" is the best heading for article as it is a proper reflection of what the subject is. Sarujo (talk) 08:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * From the article it appears that it was produced exclusively for NES and "ported to various home computer platforms in 1991". The whole point of this is to distinguish it from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (arcade game) which came out the same year. Wikkitywack (talk) 00:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, hello. It is already distinguished. As the arcade game has arcade game in parenthesizes in it's title. The fact that a game has later ports is irrelevant. The point being, the game appeared on multiple platforms. Sarujo (talk) 02:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah! But they're both Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1989 video games aren't they? And the point is, the game appeared on multiple platforms two years after it was released on the NES. I repeat, according to the article, it was an exclusive NES game - unless you have evidence to the contrary. Wikkitywack (talk) 08:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, anytime a game is ported it no longer becomes exclusive to one console. Also I question the claims of the dates for the early games. But that's no big deal. Sarujo (talk) 01:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose any move because as stated before, it's not a NES-only game. (1989 video game) and (arcade game) are perfectly fine disambiguations, especially since there's a link at the top of this article pointing to the arcade game. While (1989 video game) might be slightly confusing to some readers, it would be more confusing if we moved it to any other title. Sorafune   +1
 * It is a NES-only game. It was ported to a bunch of personal computers two years after the original 1989 release (in some cases very badly - have you ever played the impossibly difficult/buggy MS-DOS version?!!) These are effectively offshoots from the original console version which, according to the article, was released exclusively for the NES. It is therefore more correct (& informative) to title it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game). These later ports would not fall under "1989 video games" as they are 1991 variations on the original 1989 NES video game. Wikkitywack (talk) 01:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Things like they were ports and they were lousy is irrelevant to this discussion. Lots of people don't really consider an arcade game to be a video game, even though they are video games. You can call a game with a bunch of ports a one console only game. That would be like Maniac Mansion Sim City was a PC only game, which they weren't. Also, when a lot of people think of the term video game they think something played at home in you bed or living room. Where arcade games are simply big bulky machines that you pump quarters and tokens to play. There's a different mentality for these words. Sarujo (talk) 07:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, my aside about one of the ports being lousy is irrelevant. Point is, these ports were effectively transfers of the original NES game to various personal computers. The original NES game and no other. This argument would not work for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 video game), for instance, because this game was initially released on multiple platforms. The game in question, however, was initially released only for the NES (and held this distinction for two years) - so this should be reflected in the title. Wikkitywack (talk) 08:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if it was three years it still wouldn't change the home computer versions being legitimate versions of the same thing. However, it's not really two years anyway. The PAL (Euro) version of the NES version was released in August 1990, the ZX Spectrum version is dated 1990 (see scan of instruction manual) and was reviewed in January 1991 magazines (which would have probably been published in late December). The gap in the PAL territories between the NES and home computer releases was all of 4 months, the gap between the Japanese and European NES releases was 15 months. The delay wasn't caused by the different formats at all. Someoneanother 17:55, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose The arcade game is differentiated by home releases calling it a 'coin op' or 'arcade game'. If readers end up here when they want the arcade game then they have a hat-note pointing them to where they should be. It's a non-issue. Renaming this 'NES game' would just confuse the thousands of potential readers who played this on one of the other systems. The NES may well have blocked out the sun in the US, but in Europe it was on a lower plane of existence altogether. Though I don't happen to have sales figures on hand (like anyone else), I find it hard to believe that the NES version's sales in Europe were anywhere near those of established home computer systems like the Spectrum and Amiga. If anything the Ninja Gaiden article is poorly named, if the article is trying to differentiate the home version from the arcade version then 'home version' would be less confusing than naming it after only one of the handful of systems it was released for. Someoneanother 17:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree Unfortunately, "perfectly fine" doesn't follow the the video game project naming/disambiguation conventions.  The main release (the arcade game) should be disambiguated as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (video game) (which in fact the latter currently forwards to) and this should be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game).  I see no reliable references listed for the release dates here, and in fact they conflict with the NES release dates in the arcade article.  The US copyright database lists 10-11-1989 for the publication of the arcade version however. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. That is appears on the home computer doesn't change the fact that the article is about the NES game. It's known as an NES game. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:18, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Support – They were both originally released in 1989, and I believe the "home console version" was originally on the NES, so we need to disambiguate further with the arcade game to "(arcade)" and the home console version to "(Nintendo Entertainment System)" as it first was released on that system. –MuZemike 02:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

If the game being ported to other devices is a problem, and this is the original video game, why not name it Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (video game). Games don't need to have their year in the title if they are the original in a series. --WikiDonn (talk) 21:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We still need some kind of verifiable reference as to which was released first, that would be the issue with that. I provided it above for the arcade one, however the dates for the NES release listed here currently conflict with the NES release dates listed in the arcade one, and neither sets are referenced. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 03:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And it's not exactly the original in a series. Wikkitywack (talk) 10:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * According to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it is the first game. Interestingly, the link there says Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game). But since it is the first game, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (video game) should be the title because the "(1989 video game)" part is just ridiculous. It makes the title unnecessarily long. --WikiDonn (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not really proof of which came first (Wikipedia can't self-reference itself even for a discussion), and it's also another unreferenced claim. It just shows there's still conflict here.  I don't care which came first really, other than we need to verify it before making any decisions on which gets the "video game" disambiguation.  So far, the only verified date has been for the arcade version. Now I did find a copyright for the video game box artwork filed by Mirage studios, but that's not for the game itself.  It's for a "new rendering of preexisting comic books" used on the box/advertisement and first available 7/1/89.  That kind of stuff is usually done before the game itself is actually released of course. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * So this is really an argument of whether this game or the arcade game came out first? That is ridiculous and is irrelevant to this move request. If one says "video game" and the other says "arcade game", that doesn't specify which one comes first. And it was not a self reference. The name should be based on the information Wikipedia has on the article. But like I said, that is irrelevant. When I said "first game", I meant as opposed to TMNT 2, TMNT (GBA) etc. In other words, a sequel with another name, or a remake or something. This is the first console game correct? --WikiDonn (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * First, no, the name is based on *verifiable* content in the article. When that content (i.e. which came first) is not verifiable, you can not base desicions on it assuming it is because it's in the article.  That's self reference.  Second consensus is already for a move to occur, now it's a point of how to disambiguate for the move to proceed.  No, it's not irrelevant or ridiculous, and yes the way  the disambigs work and are used in practice it does specify which comes first, i.e. it's the root disambig of "video game".  When a disambiguation needs to occur, the main platform or release always gets the "video game" disambig, with subsequent releases getting the platform name as the disambig, per guidelines 3 and 4.  As long as I've been here, Video game is always a *root* disambig used by the project and on Wikipedia in general for disambiguation of video game related articles.  Secondary is to further disambig the disambiguation with the addition of years.  In this case there is a conflict for 1989 video game, so we go by the video game and NES disambigs or the video game and arcade disambigs, depending on which came first. The other option is to have the NES and Arcade disambigs respectively and make the video game disambig page forward to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (video_games) instead of the arcade page it currently forwards to. I'm thinking this last option is going to be the most agreeable to everyone. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
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Requested move 09 September 2014

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 19:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1989 video game) → Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (NES game) – The TMNT arcade game was released during the same year and most people simply refer to this game as the "first NES TMNT." – Jonny2x4 (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943  (talk) 16:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Moved from WP:RMTR due to the existence of the above move discussion. (This move request is not uncontroversial.) For this specific discussion, I am neutral. Steel1943  (talk) 16:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The current title is ambiguous as it is. Both, the arcade and NES versions were made in 1989 and regardless of which version was released first, there was obviously an overlap between the two in their development and both were considerably popular at the time. I don't consider the home computer ports of the games to be significant enough to justify the current title, since they were derivatives of the NES version, came out at least a year after the NES original and were made by licensees rather than by Konami. Jonny2x4 (talk) 23:37, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Rename WP:PRECISE, the current title is insufficiently precise to unambiguously identify the subject. Ambiguous disambiguation is not disambiguation. The current title should redirect to the disambiguation page Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (disambiguation) -- 70.51.201.202 (talk) 05:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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