Talk:Teesside/Archive 1

South Bank
I have redirected the South Bank link to South Bank, Middlesbrough rather than South Bank, London - arts capital etc. Moriarty73 21:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Phonecodes
'The town does have its own dialing code, 01429, as opposed to 01642 which covers Stockton-on-Tees, Redcar, Middlesbrough and surrounding settlements. Hartlepool is not covered by Teesside on British road signs.'

East Cleveland uses 01287. Computerjoe 's talk 17:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to look like an eejit and disagree with you. A lot of phone numbers in teesside (including the university) has the phone code 0164. 152.105.64.11 12:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 0164 isn't a valid UK area code, the code is 01642. All UK numbers are 11 digits which can be written and subdivided as either 0xxx yyy zzzz or 0xxxx zzzzzz. The Teesside (or officially Middlesbrough in phone area terms) is the latter, as 01642 yyyyyy albeit the 2 might be included with the other six digits as a hangover from the days of less digit numbers. Also in answer to 01287 that is the code for Guisborough which wasn't/isn't part of Teesside as either an urban area or official government sub-division (County Borough etc) but was in Cleveland, yet another example of the confusion between the two terms. See UK telephone numbering plan & List of United Kingdom dialling codes --Achmelvic 03:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * "All UK numbers are 11 digits which can be written and subdivided as either 0xxx yyy zzzz or 0xxxx zzzzzz." That statement is incorrect. There are 41 area codes with at least some 10 digit numbers (including the leading 0). Ofcom refer to number lengths without the 0. Forty area codes using 4+6 numbering also have some 4+5 format numbers. One area code using 5+5 numbering also has some 5+4 format numbers. There are formats other than the 3+7 and 4+6 that you mentioned. There are also 2+8, 4+5, 5+5 and 5+4 and all are currently used/still in use in the UK. See Telephone numbers in the United Kingdom. Additionally, all 0500 numbers and some 0800 numbers have only 9 digits after the 0. 79.70.230.248 (talk) 10:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Split
Would it make sense to split off an article specifically about the County Borough of Teesside as opposed to the general geographic term predating and postdating this? Morwen - Talk 19:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Category
I have removed the category "Iron and steel mills" as there is little on them in the article. If this is changed as a result fo an expansion the category should be Category:Ironworks and steelworks in England. Peterkingiron 14:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

"Hartlepool is not covered by Teesside on British road signs"
This is not true. When travelling along the A19 northbound, after the first couple of road signs stating 'Teesside' and its distance, it changes to 'Teesside' along with towns located in Teesside within brackets. Hartlepool appears within these brackest along with Middlesbrough and stockton so the sign reads as follows;

A19 Teesside (Middlesbrough....) (Hartlepool....) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.19.17 (talk) 17:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree this is not true. Hartlepool IS covered by Teesside on road signs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clemens12345 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

map please
83.146.12.109 (talk) 22:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Split?
In keeping with all other county boroughs in England, shouldn't we move the local government bit to a County Borough of Teesside, and refocus this article on the modern region? We can still keep links to any new article made. --Jza84 | Talk  16:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I think it was only lack of content preventing a split. MRSC (talk) 11:03, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Changes to text
I keep reverting out IPs changing the text to unencyclopaedic content with phrases such as "by a minority of professional blogger black ops working for unknown parties." As the various IPs appear to have the same agenda then I have continued to revert out the changes. Where are the references for the changes that you seek to change the article to? Keith D (talk) 22:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, I reverted, changed slightly, and added a citation. I think it's pretty neutral but won't do any more reverts (except obvious vandalism) until a consensus is reached as we're really close to an edit war and violating WP:3RR. Bfootdav (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have semi-protected to give people time to discuss the changes. Could not warn the IPs as they keep changing addresses. Keith D (talk) 22:56, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The source is not valid, as it is a copy of a Wikipedia article (probably one that was deleted). snigbrook (talk) 01:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what we should do with this at all. I see hundreds of sites that refer to people from Teesside as "Smoggies" (apparently short for "smog monster"?).  I see plenty of individual cases (journalists and civilians (bloggers, facebookers, twitterers, etc.) where people take some kind of pride in the name (here's a link to the official Middlesbrough FC website showing pictures of fans with the name proudly displayed Middlesbrough FC).  Should we rewrite this to just note that the term is used without saying if it's insulting and that some people accept it now?  Or are we expecting to find a source that matches the current text?  Maybe just get rid of "smoggies" altogether? Bfootdav (talk) 03:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, it's been a while and no one has come up with anything good and sourced for this section. For the time being I've moved it here. I don't think the article will be hurt that much if it never makes it back in but if it does we need to make sure it's solid. "Its inhabitants are sometimes referred to as 'smoggies'. Initially a derogatory term used by people from other parts of the North East region for Teessiders (due to the supposed smog in the air from the area's petrochemical industry), the moniker has in recent years been accepted by some of the people of Teesside as their own.." SQGibbon (talk) 17:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Stop the Edit Warring
User:TheClown90 and User:Helloimcalledryan need to stop edit-warring over what exactly is included in this municipality. The two of you should be discussing this issue here, rather than just repeatedly reverting each other. If after discussion you cannot agree, then there are steps you can take. In this case, I'd recommend starting at WP:3O, where you can ask for a 3rd opinion. Note, however, that you can't take any steps until the two of you first start discussing the issue here. Note that if the two of you continue to revert each other, you will be both reported for edit warring and block for a period of time. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hartlepool
This wikipedia entry is relating to the Teesside area and not the County Borough of Teesside

As a result of this, Hartlepool is in fact part of Teesside - how this can be denied is beyond me.

- Having a different phone code to Stockton doesn't render us not part of Teesside

- Our postcode is TS - Teesside...

- Our local radio station is 'BBC Tees', oh would you believe it?

- The nearest river is the Tees, which we are on the side of.

- Our Power Station (Hartlepool Nuclear Power Station) is described as being on the Bank of the Mouth of the River Tees. Funny, I would have thought that meant it was in Teesside, however you'll probably claim that the Power Station isn't even in Hartlepool, which it IS.

- We're in the Tees Valley, essentially a rebrand of Teesside.

- We are in fact signed as part of Teesside on road signs so I don't know where that has come from.

Why is this argument even taking place? - Is it not rather pathetic that you can't just accept that a Town is part of a collective area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helloimcalledryan (talk • contribs) 00:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The article was fine as it was is all I'm saying. It's not part of the main conurbation and is the same distance away as Darlington, which is also on the Tees. Do we accept Darlington as Teesside as well? Nope.

Nobody uses Tees Valley, and BBC Tees stretches into Barnard Castle and the Wear Valley. --TheClown90 (talk) 00:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I beg to differ, it's a lot closer than Darlington is to the main conurbation. Hartlepool spans out to Greatham in the South which is literally just a few miles away.

Who is this "WE" that you're speaking of "ACCEPTING" into Teesside? - there are no overlords of Teesside who decide which towns are accepted into it. Darlington is much further away than Hartlepool is, I'd advise that you brush up on your Geography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helloimcalledryan (talk • contribs) 00:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

There's a little group of people called the ONS though. They kind of do.

TS postcodes mean nothing by the way. Ask someone from Station Town if they consider themself as being from Teesside. As far as I'm aware, roadsigns in H'pool centre direct you to a place called "Teesside" on the A689, and give a distance of about 12 miles.

All i'm saying is the article was fine as it was, meaning Hartlepool isn't in the official (i.e. Government) definition, but can be by some people. This was even shown in a section in the article before you deleted it. --TheClown90 (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have requested the references be improved on this article. Please support any changes you make with third party references from reliable sources rather than argue about it. Thanks Keith D (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Hartlepool
There is definitely something inacurate with the page for Teesside. Hartlepool is 100% considered Teesside. Problem is that Cleveland doesn't officially exist anymore so it is confusing people. That's why on Hartlepool and Stockton's page there is a map showing it as part of County Durham. They are both definitely not part of County Durham.

Furthermore I also got a letter posted from Hartlepool today with the Teesside stampmark on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clemens12345 (talk • contribs) 08:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry but they definitely are part of County Durham. Just because you say they aren’t doesn’t make it so and changing articles en masse from County Durham to Tees Valley and Teesside I would consider very questionable. Fraggle81 (talk) 22:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hartlepool are part of County Durham? Funny that, but Middlesbrough is definitely part of North Yorkshire. Therefore you've proven nothing. Cleveland doesn't exist anymore. Teesside isn't ANYTHING. It's just a word or a name that refers to the general area, and as such there is no way of proving that Hartlepool ISN'T part of Teesside... just as there's no way of proving that Middlesbrough IS, or any of the other places listed are. You're not citing anything anyway. I believe the appropriate message here is for Fraggle81 and the other anti-Hartlepool to "keep their neb-out". That is all. Miserable sods. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.106.45.71 (talk) 22:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, first off you're taking this far too personally, perhaps stepping back a little might do some good since personal attacks don't solve anything and aren't in the spirit of Wikipedia.

I am not debating whether or not Teesside exists what I am saying is Hartlepool is part of County Durham, something which Clemens12345 is disputing here, and yes you are right Middlesbrough is definitely part of North Yorkshire, I wholeheartedly agree. As for my evidence for Hartlepool being part of County Durham, well we could go with Peter Mandelson's full title, Baron Mandelson, of Foy in the County of Herefordshire and of Hartlepool in the County of Durham. How’s that for a start? Fraggle81 (talk) 16:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Euphemistic
It seems odd to describe "Teesside" as a "euphemism" for "Cleveland". Both are artificial terms, and Cleveland is the more euphemistic of the two. Cleveland proper is an area of North-east Yorkshire, so calling Billingham and Hartlepool part of Cleveland was pretty daft. And most of the Cleveland Hills were never part of Cleveland county. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.46.210.3 (talk • contribs).

Hartlepool
The ONS table says there were 86,075 inhabitants in 2001, so the full amount of the Teesside and Hartlepool Urban Area is 469,733, isn't it? --Dionysos1988 (talk) 03:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Edit: This page tells about 88,611 inhabitants. I'm really puzzled now. --Dionysos1988 (talk) 04:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

ONS designated 'Built-up Areas' (formerly Urban areas)
The ONS have released new information regarding changes to the designation of urban areas in the UK. These are now known as built-up areas. Previously, the Teesside built-up area was made up from the former urban sub-areas of: The new subdivisions are as follows:
 * Middlesbrough
 * Eston & Southbank
 * Redcar
 * Stockton-on-Tees
 * Ingleby Barwick
 * Thornaby
 * Billingham
 * Billingham
 * High Clarence
 * Middlesbrough (merger of former Middlesbrough and Eston & Southbank areas)
 * Redcar
 * Ingleby Barwick
 * Stockon-on-Tees
 * Thornaby-on-Tees
 * Wolviston

Acklamite (talk) 23:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Map "Teesside in England"
A map has appeared which purports to represent Teesside. I don't think it does - I think it looks like the obsolete County of Cleveland. Teesside should be the area around the River Tees - not Hartlepool, not Staithes. It doesn't need to be the same as Teesside County Borough - not at all ... but at the same time it should be based on something that is recognised by the locals. Francis Hannaway (talk) 21:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. I replaced it with a pinpoint map. Rob (talk &#124; contribs) 01:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Rob - it looks much better. I think where Teesside extends to is very subjective - obviously, net to the river would be included, but when you go further afield people don't always agree. Cheers! Francis Hannaway (talk) 21:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 07:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Abodes of Teesside - Northeastern/Geordielike accent takes over from Yorkshire accent (in the ears of Southern Britons anyway?)
Maybe it is the southerner ears, but doesn't the northeastener/Geordielike/Reeves and Mortimer accent start therein the abodes of Teesside? No longer Yorkshire/northern anymore, but now clearly the start of a northeast din though lighter than further up into the northeast towns and cities like Durham, Sunderland, Newcastle and Northumberland. So basically, Teesside is mayhap some kind of linguistic border. Historically, the Teesside 'headtown' of Middlesbrough is oft belittled by townsfolk to the north of it has: 'just a small town in Yorkshire' - guessing the Geordielike accent pushed down into Teesside cleansing it of it's erstwhile Yorkshire accent not so long ago, or not? Noone in todays Teesside sound like Yorkshireman Geoffry Boycott, though would guess the townsfolk, of say, Whitby (a little further down the coast southwards) have held on to a clearly Yorkshire accent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:411:1600:A0DA:D1C5:F1DA:81A9 (talk) 01:24, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

This is an ill-defined subject
I can't see the value in this topic. Not one editor is referring to the same Teesside. Tesside can be: a geographic area around the River Tees; (In this case absolute populations can't be referred to.) A former County Borough; (there is already a page about this) A collection of built-up areas roughly equivalent to the former County Borough which has no basis in law or pre 20th Century history. Anything else is pure fabrication sprinkled with an element of tribalism. I would opt for a geographic description, seeing as the ex-county page already exists. Otherwise I think it's a good AfD. Francis Hannaway (talk) 09:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

I have defined the article as a conurbation. They exist to describe areas like this, Wearside and Tyneside. Other information in in separate articles now Chocolateediter (talk) 20:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Teesside
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Teesside's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Simpson": From Durham, England:  From North East England:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:12, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorting parts of North East England
I am starting a discussion on sorting parts of the whole region at talk:North East England Chocolateediter (talk) 18:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

IPA
what's the source for the IPA transcription? i'm from teesside and most people i know pronounce it as /tiːsaɪd/. 82.3.200.164 (talk) 01:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Location map
The infobox has a map showing the sub-divisions of Teesside, which is repeated further down the article. It might be helpful to replace the infobox version by a location map, for those who don't know where Teesside is. Maproom (talk) 07:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)