Talk:Teiaiagon

Current article is unsupported
The current version of this article is a very biased representation of history that appears to be slanted heavily toward an interpretation put forward by some members of Haudenoshaunee people, but is not shared by either mainstream historians or the oral lore and history of the Mississauga nation. Please provide citations from reputable previously published sources to support these claims. Deconstructhis (talk) 17:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've again reverted a large amount of material that consists of what appears to me to be very dubious and highly personal interpretations of the history of various native groups in the areas surrounding Lakes Erie and Ontario. A lot of this material seems to me to be so far out of mainstream thought on the subjects involved that I feel that unless proper citations from reliable sources are provided to support what's being contended that it has no place in Wikipedia. Let me be clear, I'm not suggesting that absolutely everything, on a point by point basis, that was posted was totally *wrong*, the problem with the material, in my opinion is that the editor involved is mixing his own idiosyncratic "theories" in with potentially interesting historical materials to such an extent, that it would be difficult for an average reader to differentiate between the wheat and the chaff. Without proper citations, it is my opinion that the material in its original form is unsuitable for Wikipedia. I would appreciate input on these matters from knowledgeable people involved in the several native history projects here on Wiki. Thanks. Deconstructhis (talk) 05:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've put in a request for assistance at the main WP:IPNA discussion page. CJLippert (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Nia:wen CJLippert, it would be good to get other opinions on these matters. I have to admit my patience is beginning to grow thin regarding this article and the one on the Attawandaron/"Neutral" people. Thanks again. Deconstructhis (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Many Problems
In my opinion this article continues to contain a fair bit of "speculative" material. There's nothing implicitly wrong with utilizing regional oral traditions in an article, but they have to be sourced or they're not much use on Wikipedia, original research is not allowed. I've tried to remove a few obvious "clangers" today and I've modified a couple of "weasel word" situations and applied citation request tags to them. Not necessarily because they're 'wrong', but because some of them actually have more than one mainstream scholarly perspective available in the literature concerning them, so in my opinion they should be "proved" and expanded upon.

In my opinion those editors who are interested in contributing to articles regarding historical Iroquoian/Mississauga cultural matters in the Toronto region in general, may be interested in reading the following. A quick Internet search for Mr. "Redwolf" [Nexus news is best] and connected interests, indicates to me that many of the (in my opinion) "questionable" editing choices in Toronto regional historical native articles, over the past while, reflect a theoretical bias toward the ideas of a U.S. based group who call themselves the "Erie Moundbuilders Tribal Nation", with whom Mr. "Redwolf" apparently now publicly self identifies. Those of you who have edited articles in the recent past on these subjects will probably quickly recognize this group. (see news story link above and past versions and discussion pages of Neutral Nation and Erie nation articles.) regards Deconstructhis (talk) 20:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 07:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)