Talk:Tel Or

Tel Or and "Peace Island"
Israel never claimed sovereignty over Peace Island, only that it was on the Israeli side of the armistice line. For this article that is only peripheral information, since neither the Tel Or site nor the power station site lie in Peace Island. Both those sites were on the Jordan side of the armistice line (look at the 1954 map by the Survey of Israel here to see the Israel version of where the armistice line stood in relation to the international border; Jordan disagreed, by the way) and under full Jordanian control without a break from 1948 to now. The portion of Jordan called Peace Island given special treatment in the 1994 treaty is show by the dark line on this map annexed to the treaty. It does not include the power station site or Tel Or. Zerotalk 00:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what is the argument for removing the paragraph. Originally, in 1930s Tel Or was on the Transjordanian Emirate side and the Power Plant was on the border, now both on the side of the Kingdom of Jordan. What is the problem with wording?GreyShark (dibra) 21:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Incidentally, there is a difference between "Peace Island" and "Peace Park". The map here makes the relationship clearer. The small part called Peace Island on that map matches the 1994 treaty. It would be fine to say that Tel Or lies in Peace Park (not Island) except I'm not sure if Peace Park officially exists yet. That web site shows a proposal, and this site describes it as under development. Zerotalk 00:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, Tel Or is not on the island. It is on the East Bank of Jordan / South Bank of Yarmouk.GreyShark (dibra) 21:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

About these sentences: Today the power plant and the destroyed village of Tel Or are located on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border. The remains of the power station are part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the Island of Peace on the Israel-Jordan border. Probably I should have just reworded the first sentence rather than deleting it, but the second has multiple problems. I don't like "Today" as it seems to imply it was not the case in the past, but in fact both sites were on the Trans/Jordanian side of the border from their time of construction until now. Also "part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the Island of Peace" is wrong, as above, and the repetition of "Israel-Jordan border" is bad writing. Finally, is the much larger area "Peace Park" in official existence, or is it still a concept under development? If it has been officially opened it would be nice to have a source. Zerotalk 04:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Originally, the plant was on the border of Transjordan Emirate and British Palestine and Tel Or in Transjordan; later Tel Or turned to be on Jordanian side, while Island of Peace under Israeli control (from 1948 or 1967? I'm not sure); after 1994 both have been under Jordanian control. I don't mind to reword the sentence. Regarding the second sentence, you are right - it is not entirely correct, but i think it is better corrected than deleted. Maybe The remains of the power station together with the Island of Peace are part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border.GreyShark (dibra) 11:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Answering your statement above, the Power Plant was on the border: it is not true. The border followed the center of the Jordan River (defined in the Palestine Order in Council) and it is shown like that on official maps both during the Mandate and afterwards (Israeli example on the map I added). The river did not pass through the power station but to the west of it. On the map, the dark line along the east bank was concrete reinforcement to stop the river bank from collapsing (anyway it was and is in Jordan). Water flowed through the power station from the Yarmouk Reservoir then continued down the artificial race channel shown extending south until it reentered the Jordan River downstream. Zerotalk 05:00, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

This image shows the layout quite well. The Yarmouk Reservoir is in the upper left and the Jordan River is in the lower left corner. Zerotalk 05:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Those are nuances, it is several dozen meters from the border. You can reword "on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border" and get done with it.GreyShark (dibra) 11:41, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

This presentation shows the old buildings of Tel Or with the caption "The old workers housing complex – future ecolodges". Zerotalk 12:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)