Talk:Telenovela

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First Global Telenovela
That honor belongs to Venevision's Esmeralda starring Lupita Ferrer. It aired in several countries in the early 1970s.

List of Talenovela Actors
The list of notable actors is getting huge, it's half the article or more. What about creating a List of Telenovela Actors (or something) article and move them there? --Abu Badali 13:34, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Now that this has been created I would promote deleting the list from the article and putting the link under See Also. Agreed? SorryGuy 05:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

why telenovelas are racist?why if mexico have a mestizo and an indigenous majority,in the telenovelas caucasians are the most common characters?that is discrimination —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.156.85.105 (talk) 22:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

They Moved a Link
I wanted to ask why they moved the Colombian Link anyways, and the other thing is that I don't think it's neccesary to put all the actors in the Telenovela page, a new article should be made for that. --Vodka Martini, Shaken Not Stirred 20:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Stories on supernatural powers
The statement that "There are also stories in telenovelas that would never be shown on American soap operas, such as people with supernatural powers" is false and needs to be changed. Storylines about supernatural events and powers have been used many times on American soap operas, such as Dark Shadows (vampires, werewolves, witchcraft, reincarnation), Passions (witchcraft, reincarnation), Days of Our Lives (demonic possession) and Port Charles (vampires, reincarnation).


 * I agree and have removed that paragraph. --דוד ♣ D Monack 07:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * And I re-instated it. Can't delete an entire paragraph for not agreeing with just one statement. --Vizcarra 17:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Jewish Argentinian
I read somewhere about a Jewish Argentinian producer of great success. He produced Rebelde Way among others, but he is not Cris Morena. From memory, this man aaliyahed and even fought in the Tsahal. He keeps double citizenship and produces TV in Argentina and Israel, accounting for a lot of the popularity of Spanish language in Israel.

Does somebody know who this man is? Is he mention worthy? --Error 01:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Found: Yair Dori, at IMDB --Error 01:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose that you intended to say that he aliyahed (is that a word in English?) 190.225.20.236 (talk) 20:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

germany
telenovelas are supposed to be in spanish. what's with germany here ?
 * Actually they have to be in the article. somebody put them back Unixer 15:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ever hear of Portuguese?69.171.160.24 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC).

Don't be an idiot. The telenovela is a formula. Formulas can be used in any language and culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.247.54 (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

New US network
The proposed My Network TV in the US, which is under organization and will apparently include stations left out in the merger between UPN and The WB, will apparently air several English-language American-setting telenovelas. Is someone knowledgable about this? Rlquall 21:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article needs a thorough cleaning - it is written in a confused style and format. Davodd 22:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "A telenovela is the term used to describe limited-run television serials and is derived from the terms tele short for television and novela ("novel"). In spite of their many differences, telenovelas are in ways, soap operas in mini-series format with an origin in Spanish and Portuguese broadcasting."


 * I think that this is a very good opening that should be kept whenever the clean-up occurs. -- 207.69.137.206 08:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed the lists - they already exist as separate articles in their own right - no need for duplication. I also removed all of the external links being that they were either blatant or likely spam links to commercial or fan sites with little to no academic value. - Davodd 01:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The very first citation needed is very bogus (see: 'Spanish-language prime time serials, or telenovelas, are produced in all Spanish-speaking countries"). This is a statement of fact that is commonly accepted in Spanish speaking countries. A similar statement about American programming would be, "Comedies are produced in all over the United States and English speaking countries." Just because an American reader or this case an over zealous editor is not familar with this practice, it should not require a citation.

Change in US format?
From the article: "In addition, telenovelas break the traditional United States television format, where a show runs for 20-25 episodes a season, once a week."

While this is true, aren't the telenovelas that have been adapted for English-language in the traditional format of English-language shows? Theshibboleth 17:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

What's the difference between a telenovela and a téléroman?
In Québec, they have a similar format called the téléroman, which I think could provide some comparison with telenovelas, considering that La famille Plouffe, the first téléroman in Canada (which aired on Radio-Canada by the way), was airing around the same time that the first telenovelas were beginning to get on the air. Other than Québec French (and the joual of the Montréal area) versus Spanish being used, what differences (and similarities) would there be between a téléroman and a telenovela? -Daniel Blanchette 00:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Telenovela = Teleserye
See discussion at Talk:Teleserye. -- Howard  the   Duck  03:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge "Téléroman" with "Telenovela"?
This is from the "Téléroman" talk page.

Since these two formats are similar except in name, I think both of these should merge. What do you think? --DanCBJMS via 134.117.168.245 22:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so if there is nothing on this question, I might as well go along with merging these two articles. OK? --Daniel Blanchette 17:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Regardless of the length of a series, these are Soap Operas. The term is, of course, American in origin, but with the penetration of American culture nearly everywhere and with 2 billion people able to speak English (to a greater or lesser degree), and English wikipedia largely a creation of Americans, it seems that telenovelas should be subsumed under Soap Opera.  The fact that the language is Spanish or Portuguese or Finno-Ugric is hardly relevant.  Operas, for example, are nearly all written in Italian and are rarely, if ever, translated.  But Opera goers know the story even if they don't speak Italian (the singers don't always speak the language their singing in either, learning it phonetically much as Eric Estrada did when he started working on Mexican TV).


 * PainMan (talk) 11:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Telenovelas are not soap operas. They are distinct in having definite endings and usually lasting less than a year. IMO soap operas are exercises in frustration, never ending. Different genres.(EnochBethany (talk) 13:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC))

Tagged for 2.5 years and...
...nothing's been done about it.

What's the point of these tags if they article remains unaltered, or only the changes are cosmetic or inadequate? If I had $5 for every time I've seen a quality-related tag in the five years I've been an editor, I could pay off my mortgage.

In short, if no one's going to do anything about the tags, why bother with them? Where's the accountability?

Punishing the article's original writer, in many cases, tho' certainly not all, is hardly fair if dozens, or scores or more people may have made changes to it while ignoring the glaring problem(s) it was tagged for in the first place.

An idea: a task force or commission (or whatever ya wanna call it) should be created with the goal of cleaning-up articles or removing the really badly "non-compliant" ones.

Editors have seen that nothing happens if you violate quality standards. Deface a page or get into an edit war and they're all over you. But write a 4,000 word article without a single a footnote/citation and no one does jack.

One way to encourage editors to do it would be to award prizes. E.g.: the person who cleans up the most articles is elevated to admin status (or higher). Or set up a Wiki Quality Assurance Hall of Fame. Or, the best motivator ever invented: cold, hard cash. Award grants (so no one will have to pay taxes): nice, fat checks to the people who are the most prolific in bring articles "up to standard."

Negative reinforcement should also be considered. If no major changes have been made since the article's debut, the creator can be given a set period of time to clean it up. Or if a later editor adds a section not up to snuff, the same thing can be done if they fail to fix their contributions/changes. If not, then their editing privileges are suspended or terminated. Or their edits have to be approved by admins who have no other duties.

Whatever methods are chosen, SOMETHING needs to done. Otherwise, the tags are just a bumper sticker saying, '''This Article Sucks! But Nothing Is Going To Be Done About It!" '''

Just my opinion on this.

PainMan (talk) 11:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Colombia
The Colombia section is garbage. What do Gabriel Garcia Marquez and magic realism have to do with telebobelas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.214 (talk) 01:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Paloma
There is no country (on this planet) called Paloma, and it is therefore an error to have a 'Paloma' section in 'Telenovellas By Country'. There are several countries with regions/districts called Paloma, but I have been unable to determine which (if any) this section referes to.

So I have removed it, and placed it here for your examination and decision.

Paloma

 * ''See: Way TV!, I-Tv Latino EX and Mundo Fiction

In Paloma, the telenovela is known as musical drama by its thematics related with music. These dramas usually are produced for the youth audience, although some are directed for any public.

A synonym of musical dramas is the soap opera or television series, since both have many features in common. To cite some, the episodes of a drama musical seasons are divided into at least six months and annual maximum, as happens with the TV series, but what differentiates the two is that the latter premiered an episode every week while the premiere musical dramas from Monday to Friday and allowing faster completion. Are also related to the soaps for the topics covered, romance, tragedy, the emotions of the characters, the existence of an antagonist and in some cases the predictable end, including the premieres of episodes Monday through Friday, but also there is something that sets them apart is that the characters in the musical drama always have the appearance of young college student with aspirations to grow into a pop idol (sometimes already are but focuses on his life and those around you) and the two main characters, although at first not well liked or is separated by an antagonist, their relationship ends up in friendship and then love. Note that in this type of series never makes references to sexuality.

Some of these dramatized have been Mi Vida es Cantar, Selena, Un engaño frente al amor, Antique Amor!, La Nueva Empleada, If We Were, Chica Inocente, ¡Mi Príncipe!, inter.

Please do simply revert without changing the 'TN by C' title - it is nonsensical. Heenan73 (talk) 12:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Could I merge "Portuguese, …, Spanish" into one?
I saw that in the sentence "… is a limited-run serial dramatic programming popular in Latin American, Portuguese, Filipino, Spanish, and American (Spanish language network) television programming." Latin America having Spanish and Portuguese among other languages is mentioned as one area unlike in other places were Latin America and Brazil are separated even if Brazil is part of the Latin world, anyways my question is could I make “Portuguese, …, Spanish,” in to just Iberia or because of clarification the article needs them both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sion8 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Novela redirects here... Should it?
I have heard of telenovelas and, as an author/writer, I have heard of novellas. At least in the world of authors and writers, they are not the same thing. A common erroneous spelling of novella is "novela", but typing that in will get a redirect to here. I've never heard of telenovela being shortened to novela, and for obvious reasons. Being that someone typing in "novela" is probably looking for novella and not this article, it should probably be redirected to novella. Any thoughts?184.156.23.123 (talk) 12:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Statistics and opinions
The claim that Telenovelas has "less success in the US than Latin America" should be factually backed up with some sort of statistics. "Success" can be taken as an opinion oriented word if there is not real data to support the argument being made. In addition, the section on white ethnocentrism is an important matter to raise awareness on, but the last sentence claiming "...this is seen as a form of acceptance towards caucasian models of beauty and as a form of acceptance of inequality in terms of class, race, gender." This statement is too opinion-shaping. Stick to a neutral point of view. Noting such ethnocentric accusations is essential to the article's structure and information, but stating the implications of these allegations are not sticking to the required "neutral point of view" of Wikipedia. Using words such as "major" and "success" can be taken the wrong way (not neutral) if not explained through evidence. i.e. statistics, data, etc. Additionally, the configuration of this article is not as organized as a hard copy encyclopedia would be, which is the first of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia. The lead section is somewhat vague and unorganized. Starting with a clear definition of "Telenovela" would be more beneficial to readers. I, myself, have little background knowledge of what a Telenovela is and was only slightly informed through the lead section of this article. Starting with the comparison to a well known "soap opera," and then going into the fine tuned linguistics may be a more clear route to take. This article was very informative on the details of telenovelas but lacked in the general explanation of the topic. The close proximity of "genres" and "Telenovelas by country" was a great organizational flow, though, since the two topics seemed to intertwine immensely. Juliestein016 (talk) 01:44, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

History Section Needs Citations
I think that this section could use some serious help. It is really small and does not talk a lot about when, why, how the genre was created. It also needs citations. If anyone disagrees, please let me know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riosa17302 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

India?
Why aren't Indian soap operas included?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_soap_opera — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:CC80:EB4:6C5B:BD5A:5C05:9325 (talk) 08:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Portuguese language telenovelas
Please keep in mind that the language barrier is never crossed. Spanish language telenovelas are popular with Spanish speakers, never with Portuguese speakers. Adaptations may sometimes occur. 2001:4C4E:1E10:6B00:AC6A:C6D5:BFAB:D057 (talk) 21:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)