Talk:Telephone (song)/Archive 3

Songwriters
I am of and always have been of the impression that songwriters should always be credited by their birth name/full name. For example on this song Gaga should be written as Stefani Germenotta. BMI even gives you the legal registration of her birth name as seen here Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the same, it's more proper (WP:Names). The real name won't confuse anyone Tb hotch Ta lk C.  02:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it could say the same thing that appears in the CD single, Stefani Germanotta P/K/A Lady Gaga. Frcm1988 (talk) 02:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's a long list of songwriters, perhaps it is possible to list them via their real name. But if it's a short list, I think people need no introduction that they should generally be listed via their stage name. (talk) 16:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

For further information: WP:Lady Gaga. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 19:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

censored
There is now a Cencored version of the video on []. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.79.159.43 (talk) 05:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * it's also on youtube, vevo... I dont mean to sound rude, but what's your point? SeanBrockest (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * One of the sources say that there is not yet a cencored version created. 120.37.179.208 (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * And now there is nothing in the article about the censored version? Anorionil (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is it not notable in this article while there are various other articles that have sections about the censoring of a song or video without any source? 1, 2 and 3? Anorionil (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If those are unsourced, then those are supposed to be removed, not add an unsourced content to this article. As I explained in my talk page, you need to find a reliable source regarding the censoring. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 12:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * But...its obvious right? I mean there are two versions...? Why do you need a source that says the same? I don't see the statement "Poker tables are used to play poker." needing any reference in Table (furniture)? Anorionil (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Some things on wiki do not need referencing, such as summaries of music video/film plots and extremely common knowledge (such as your example of the poker tables). But as Legolas has said, regardless of how "obvious" the censoring may be, it'll need a reliable source discussing it before it can even be considered for addition into the article. – Chase  ( talk ) 20:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And who decides which info is "obvious" and can be entered without reference and which info is not? Anorionil (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well not me I guess :/ .... Anorionil (talk) 09:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Britney's leak
Should her version be mentioned? It is getting some attention from the media and I think it would be better to add a small section at some point, because I can imagine crazy fans will come here and try to add the information everywhere. Xwomanizerx (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. It should definately be mentioned, maybe in 'development'. However, keep an eye on how many youtube hits it gets for example to check its relevance. I would source it from this digital spy article which is a very reliable opinion-free site. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a217919/britneys-telephone-leaks-onto-web.html 88.107.72.103 (talk) 22:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope its a fake anyway. Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not fake. A biased fansite said it. It's not reliable. And Digital Spy is not a reliable source. Xwomanizerx (talk) 23:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope its definately a fake because the version of iLeaks sounds different to what's available on youtube etc. Anyways this is not a forum to discuss it. It should be included per WP:LEAK as it did not recieve a response by the artist and/or label.Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed. This doesnot endorse any third party notability as per WP:LEAK. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 05:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * According to WP:LEAK the leak has to receive broad media coverage, which it has received in sites such as MTV.com, Billboard.com and Daily News. Xwomanizerx (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw those news, none of them is clearly saying that it is Britney's voice on the demo. All of them said that somebody sounding like Britney. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 09:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Darkchild just confirmed it's her. Here and here. Xwomanizerx (talk) 20:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Quote, he actually says its "Britney's early demo". But still doesnt confirm its her vocals. Plus like i said earlier WP:LEAKS states that leaks are not appropriate unless it invokes lots of third party coverage including a reaction from the label and/or artist.Lil-unique1 (talk) 20:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The leak has atracted a lot of attention, and Darkchild confirmed that its official, meaning that those are her vocals! Fortunato luigi (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it should be mentioned, but no more than a brief sentence or two saying "Britney's demo was later leaked. It uses more synths (or whatever) than Gaga's version". liquidluck ✽ talk  02:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, now it's getting a lot of attention from the media, even got an extensive review in Rolling Stone, ]. And i just noticed that in the article Fashion (Heidi Montag song), Gaga's version is mentioned at the bottom. I don't see a reaction from the label. Xwomanizerx (talk) 13:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Polish Airplay and Video Charts.
Could someone add positions from official (see: Polish Music Charts) polish airplays by ZPAV in Telephone (song)? It's:
 * 1) 5th place in Official Polish Airplay Chart by Nielsem Music (http://zpav.pl/rankingi/listy/nielsen/top5.php)
 * 2) 1st place in Official Polish Videoclips Chart by Nielsen Music (http://zpav.pl/rankingi/listy/nielsen/video.php).

As I said - it's OFFICIAL - ZPAV not deleted Polish National Top 50).

I can't do this. Thanks :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MecenasMuzyczny (talk • contribs) 14:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Remix Listing Errors
Please note: there is no official source to credit a James Rendon Remix for each of these remix ep's. It is of my opinion, based that no official source on google other than Wikipedia and youtube can reference such a remix existing. please validate and update accordingly

Comma Errors
This is simply driving me nuts- the entire page has comma errors. I only changed one. The line "The main inspiration behind the song, was Gaga's fear of suffocation" is NOT correct. This is the correct way to write it: "The main inspiration behind the song was Gaga's fear of suffocation." There are tons of sentence structures that are broken because of these incorrect comma "splices." Think of it this way; when you read the above statement, do you stop and take a breath after "behind the song?" No- therefore is doesnt need a comma, because it is one clean sentence and it is not divided in it's subject matter. Now if you wrote it like this, on the other hand; "The main inspiration in the song, reported Gaga in an interview, was Gaga's fear of suffocation" it would be correct. Now, with that being said, I am too lazy to go and fix all of the mistakes so somebody else needs too rewrite the page with correct punctuation. Thanks.

Live performances picture
The live performances image is incorrect. It shows Lady Gaga performing at the 2009 BRIT Awards as a featured artist on the Pet Shop Boys' Outstanding Contribution performance, not as a performer in her own right at the 2010 ceremony as stated.

Fear of suffocation
The opening of this article includes this statement: « The main inspiration behind the song was Gaga's fear of suffocation. » Although further into the article, there is a quote by Gaga that describes how she defines suffocation ( « —something that I have or fear is never being able to enjoy myself, [...] 'Cause I love my work so much » ), this definition is very idiomatic, and not really its most common meaning (asphyxiation). This makes the opening of the article very misleading. The song is not about Gaga's fear of dying from lack of air. -- I think this sentence should be changed to: « The main inspiration of the song was Gaga's fear of being able to enjoy herself because of her dedication to her career. » -- It's an improvement, I think. Comments? Charvex (talk) 08:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will change it. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 08:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Legolas: Oops. I forgot the word « not », e.g. « ... fear of not being able to enjoy herself ... » (I'm glad you thought the change was useful. My English is not perfect.) Regards, Charvex (talk) 10:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * He he he. Blame is on me too for not checking  --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 10:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Thelma & Louise
Surely it's more common to say a film is "Director's", i.e. Ridley Scott's T&L, not Callie Khouri's T&L? Hrcolyer (talk) 19:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Other versions
The number of commercially available covers, tributes and alternative versions spawned since the official release of telephone a few months ago suggests to me that this is a song of rare significance. Given that the article already contained the subhead “other versions” it seemed logical to note some cover versions and do a bit of serendipitous deorphaning. Saluting Legolas2186’ use of the neologism fancruft i deny the charge. Let’s now discuss inclusion here of text like:

The song is perhaps also notable for the number and genre variety of commercially available (e.g. iTunes) cover versions. Three months after original release (as of May 2010) these include recordings by HelenaMaria, Aston (classical), Bangin Productions (rock) and Pomplamoose. Shythylacine (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Reliable Sources is all I ask. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 04:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Why the second reversion then? Shythylacine (talk) 23:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * A week has passed with no further discussion so I’m going to put it back in simply because most other Wikipedia song articles (eg. this list) include reference to cover versions. Most song articles are also much shorter but I’m not going to attempt a reduction of word count here where issues of ownership appear possible. Shythylacine (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to provide a link to the cover versions. How hard is it to understand that? if you can't provide then please don't add such WP:OR. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 10:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You Tube urls referenced then, despite the inelegance. Each states that a specific cover is commercially available. Shythylacine (talk) 11:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * YouTube cannot be used as a reliable source. Previously you were referencing to iTunes as a tree link. What happened to that? Are you sure these versions exist on itunes? I hope you can provide a reliable source, else I'm afraid the information will be removed. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 11:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure they existed as originally cited 21 May. Statement of commercial availability and citation = "this shop" seems clear, tree or not.  What particular aspect of the information isn't verifiable by anyone prepared to buy?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shythylacine (talk • contribs) 12:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

(Outdent) There were no link present in the original citations, hence they were removed. This time, today you again added the same tree link, they were removed again. Now you have added a bunch of Youtube links, which are grossly unreliable and copyright violating links. You either specify a reliable source reporting these cover versions else they will be removed. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 12:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * OT: i suspect iTunes has appropriate licensing agreements so doubt any copyright has been infringed. Shythylacine (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't try to get smart. Where the hell is the link from iTunes? --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 12:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Links:http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/telephone-lady-gaga-cover/id354974598
 * http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/telephone-single/id363494479
 * http://itunes.apple.com/au/album/telephone-single/id370494315
 * http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/telephone/id362278813?i=362278859&ign-mpt=uo%3D6 Shythylacine (talk) 23:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

cover art
Isn't the single cover art a black and white picture of lady gaga? The current art is for the remixes album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.201.211 (talk) 16:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope. this debate was closed a long time ago. The black and white cover is for the digital track (promo cd), this cover is the single is for the CD and digital single versions. Regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Performance picture
The picture of her performing at her concert is not her performing Telephone! That's Alejandro! She is wearing the studded bra and underwear when she performs Telephone! Someone change it please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.73.67 (talk) 17:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Dorian mode
This article says the song is in F minor, but we can be more specific: it is in F Dorian, a minor mode, because its scale has D natural instead of the D flat of true F minor. Is the sheet music enough of a citation for this, or does somebody have to mention it in a music theory context? 96.250.109.69 (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Chart Certifications
Hi, listen Telephone has gone platinum in the US and Gold in the UK, just to let you all know, please could you state this, thank you and I'm sorry I'm new to wikipedia so I don't know how everything works... UK Sales - 505,000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Designkid555 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It needs to be certified by the RIAA and BPI. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 04:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

why?
this isnt a beayonse song its gagas song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.41.170 (talk) 09:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article says it is both singers' song and says "Lady Gaga featuring Beyonce". Apparently in the music industry, if you release a single with another singer, it automatically becomes your single as well regardless of whether you promote it or have it on your album. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Corrected. In cases where the featured artist chronology is included the word 'singles' is removed as the song is not 'their' SINGLE. It is part of 'something' the featured artist has done however, so just PLAINLY say 'chronology'. —Iknow23 (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Genre
Electropop, dance-pop? needs reference --Trivia harrypotter (talk) 22:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * They are sourced later on in the critical reception and composition. --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  22:36, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Spanish certification
The song was certified platinum the first week of 2011. See number 41: http://promusicae.es/files/listastonos/Top%2050%20canciones%20(PUBLICAR)_w52.2010.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.55.200.105 (talk) 19:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Grand Central Station or Grand Central Terminal
As a New Yorker I would like to point out a possible mistake in the song's lyrics. At one point Beyonce says, "Sometimes I feel like I live in Grand Central Staion" but I believe she meant to say Grand Central Terminal. Grand Central Terminal is the iconic Beaux Arts building where Metro North trains terminate their ride. Grand Central Station is below Grand Central Terminal and services the MTA subway. Beyond that it is a common mistake (even for New Yorkers) to mislabel Grand Central Terminal as Grand Central Station.

Warsaw112 (talk) 23:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Release date dubious
I indicated the release date dubious. I guess the US release is meant here? In which case it should be labelled as such. The article itself says the song charted in four countries in 2009, one of which was the UK. The UK chart rules (The Official Chart Company) prohibits the charting of anything that is it released so it was definitely released I'm the UK in November 2009. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 04:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Any song may chart in any country even if it is not released as single due to strong digital downloads, that's why it charted before its real release. Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 05:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * So are you claiming it's a physical release date? If so why is it not labelled accordingly. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 05:54, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The article does: "In November 2009 due to strong digital sales...", now if you want it in the infobox, it is not correct at all, because the "release date" field is only for that: the single's first release. Remember that the infobox gives very short information of the song. Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 06:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * An infobox is for the basic information, and is kept at its minimal. We have a release history section, documenting the detailed action about the song's rlease in geographical regions. I have reverted this addition of a tag, as its simply stupid. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Video Reception
It won the video of the year at the 2011 NRJ awards! it's on the NRJ article itself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.191.115 (talk) 02:04, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

MUSIC VIDEO!
NRJ AWARD FOR VIDEO OF THE YEAR! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.153.27.134 (talk) 13:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page
Why dont you guys update the article talk page? PEOPLE HAVE SOME INFORMATION! 119.153.103.130 (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

She said she hates this video
"I can't even watch the 'Telephone' video, I hate it so much... Beyoncé and I are great together. But there are so many f**king ideas in that video and all I see in that video is my brain throbbing with ideas and I wish I had edited myself a little bit more", Gaga told Time Out.

It would be interesting to add this to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.81.47.193 (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Glastonbury
Why is there no mention of Beyonce performing her verse and a chorus at Glastonbury?? Calvin  • Talk That Talk 01:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out Alvin. I wasn't aware that Beyonce had performed her part of the lines in Glastonbury. Do you have any source for it? — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 08:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Lego, you can look on any Beyonce song articles. They were practically all performed and the source i added has the set list. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Here it is. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah she sang literally a load of songs, even Why Don't You Love Me. Calvin  &bull; Talk That Talk  13:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

To remember

 * http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/lady-gagas-music-videos-a-complete-guide-20110525/telephone-2010-0282808 ✅
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1633858/lady-gagas-telephone-video-popculture-cheat-sheet.jhtml
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/12/lady-gagas-telephone-vide_n_496541.html ✅
 * http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/7466152/Lady-GaGas-Telephone-video.html
 * http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/SpringConcert/decoding-lady-gagas-telephone-video/story?id=10114081
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1633913/mtv-has-not-banned-lady-gagas-telephone-video.jhtml
 * http://uk.eonline.com/news/lady_gaga_beyonceacute_kill_in_telephone/171256 ✅
 * http://www.spin.com/articles/lady-gaga-launches-new-monster-tour-montreal
 * NY Times
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/arts/dance/02videos.html
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/magazine/30fob-medium-t.html
 * 10 MTV


 * http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1653554/lady-gagas-telephone-mtv-news-10-song-2010.jhtml

My love is love (talk) 22:35, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Remix
Please add information on the remix of the single featuring Britney Spears and Gwen Stefani — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.227.162 (talk) 19:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Video screencap up for deletion
The video screen capture from this article is up for deletion as failing WP:NFCC #8. Please see Files_for_deletion/2014_November_19 for details. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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