Talk:Television in the Republic of Ireland

Most-viewed channels by broadcaster (IRL)
I removed this section as it would need to be updated on a monthly bases along with monthly viewing figures. RTÉ News Now figure is interesting as I don't believe that it is publicly available, I have certainly never seen it. To save time I have placed it here in talk.

RTÉ (Raidió Teilifís Éireann)

TV3 Media

UTV Media

TG4

Setanta Sports

MTV Ireland ==A subset of the UK market== While the intro was perhaps too North America heavy (note it's author, me, is an Australian), I still feel something needs to be said about the Irish TV market effectively being a subset of the UK market, and why this is the case.

The situation in Ireland is similar to that in Canada, and those familiar with the Canadian situation (and not with the Irish one) would benefit from the mentioning of this simularity.

matturn 02:42, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think thats covered well in the Media in Ireland page, lists rarely have heavy intros either. --Kiand 15:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

southcoast and ch5?!
I live in Cork and i've never heard of South Coast TV! I know of South Coast, but all they do is provide BBC1, BBC2, HTV and Ch4 to the area. Also with the addition of Channel 6 it begs the question... where is 5? Ablaze 16:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone added it, I left it in there as I know that some deflector systems (RLO for instance) used to do unofficial opt-outs, but googleing around suggested that it might not exist.
 * As goes C6 - good question. I doubt Five would be too happy if they called themselves "Channel 5", though.
 * Is there a Irish Channel called Five? Ablaze 17:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but there is Five, who have begun to hire people to work on an Irish advertising region and launch on cable, and who would be quite protective of their trading names - the company is still called Channel 5 Television. --Kiand 17:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Similar to what Sky and E4 have done i guess!Ablaze 16:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I would say it is unlikely that Five or Channel 5 would want to protect their trade name in Ireland it isn't as available here as other channels. Also Channel 6 could have easily named themselves TV5 or 5TV or Network 5 to avoid confusions with either French of UK television channels. There are plenty of TV3's around the world. I would say 3e is named 3e rather than e3 to avoid association with e4. Also Setanta Ireland was the 5th Licence. IrishTV (talk) 15:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

RTÉ News Now
I've added a bit about RTÉ News Now under the forthcomming stations section, but does anyone think it should be included in the box detailing existing RoI stations, or should it be kept for stations that are currently received on television? Donegal92 (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure. It is available on DTT. But weather they will keep it when DTT is launched is another question. IrishTV (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Cable Television in Ireland
I have added a new article Cable Television in Ireland, please let me know what you think, thanks IrishTV (talk) 15:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Naming
This article needs to be changed to make it clear when it is talking about the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Living in Ireland myself, I even get confused reading the text! Ireland can mean either the Republic of Ireland or the island itself (which includes both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland). Northern Ireland is part of the UK (and hence TV is regulated under UK law, they get the BBC, get UK Freeview, pay UK TV licensing fees etc..) whilst the Republic of Ireland (Ireland (English) or Eire (Irish)) is a separate sovereign state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.106.173 (talk) 00:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Split
I propose to split this article into a Television Northern Ireland and Televison in Ireland as both countries have different channels almost and television is not an All-Ireland thing C. 22468 (talk) 20:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

There already is a Television in Northern Ireland page. Most of the stuff on this page relates to the Republic, but you could take out some NI content.

82.132.214.110 (talk) 09:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

It is worth noting that broadcasts from Northern Ireland were available to a sizeable chunk of the population of the Republic when Telifís Éireann was still a twinkle in the eye of the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs.134.226.254.178 (talk) 10:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Years in Irish television
I'd like to float the idea of creating some Years in Irish television articles, along similar lines to the ones relating to American, British and Canadian television. Basically this would involve listing important television events for each year, significant programmes which were on air, channels which came into existence, and so on. I collated together lots of stuff on British television for those articles a couple of years ago, and it has grown into a useful reference so I think the same could happen here. My proposal is to focus on events in the Republic, but Northern Ireland could be included as well if there is consensus for that. I'd be interested to hear any thoughts people may have on this, and if there are no major objections I'll make a start on this in a few weeks. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:55, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually there is one already, 1976 in Irish television which was created in 2005, so there shouldn't be a problem. I'll still hold off for a while before doing any others though just in case anyone does want to comment. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And though that article lacks information, I'm sure some can be added. A timeline of events relating to Broadcasting suggests at least two related events for 1976. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Think I'm going to make a start, especially as we have one of these already. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:02, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * All articles now created. Will continue to expand them over the coming weeks, but feel free to help. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Article needs update
The article refers to future implementation dates that are now a year or more in the past. These require to be updated, stating the actual dates achieved, of which I have no knowledge. GilesW (talk) 00:07, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Irish television, 1959-1961
The article currently states: "In Ireland television first became available in 1959. The public service broadcaster, RTÉ Television, opened in 1961 ...." Who was broadcasting television in the Republic of Ireland from 1959 to 1961 before RTÉ (or its predecessor) started? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Television broadcasts originating and broadcast from within the Republic of Ireland did not start until the end of 1961. As the article correctly notes elsewhere, the first broadcasts from within Northern Ireland (and thus from anywhere within the island of Ireland as a whole) were from the BBC in 1953.  These were from a temporary transmitter at Glencairn, followed by a move to the permanent transmitter at Divis in 1955.   The only way that 1959 comes into the picture as a "first" is in being the year that ITV (Independent Television) in the form of Ulster TV opened in Northern Ireland from the Black Mountain transmitter.


 * However, as also noted in the article, many people in eastern parts of both the Republic and Northern Ireland were able to receive broadcasts from the U.K. transmitters in England before then.  (Which is why Telefis Eireann initially broadcast using the 405-line system in those areas, since many people already had British TV sets, whereas in western areas broadcasts started on the 625-line system.)


 * As the statement "In Ireland television first became available in 1959" is misleading since it matches up with neither the first availability or the first broadcast from within either the Republic or Northern Ireland, I'm going to remove it completely. 87.115.191.12 (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Merging 19xx into Television in the Republic of Ireland
A series of articles, based on an details contained in https://www.rte.ie/archives, can be merged. The first step is to merge the individual 1960s articles into one modeled on 1950s in Irish television, named 1960s in Irish television. Since the major source appears to be a single source for the various articles, the success of this will probably depend on a mix of formatting and trimming. This is not to say that the 1950s article is the entire basis; there's also the matter of the level of detail in other articles that can be summarized, with details moved here. Pi314m (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Having done 1960s, interim next step: 1970s, ... 2010s Pi314m (talk) 05:59, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The merge I see in 1960s in Irish television isn't what I'd call "done". Will you be finishing it up soon? Some things to consider:
 * fix duplicate reference definitions
 * use only one "references" section
 * only one "see also" section, too
 * Fix "list of years in Irish Television" navigation box
 * I'm also a little worried that there was no consensus for this merge. Where was it discussed previously? Other countries have year-by-year articles; why does Ireland have decade-by-decade articles? -- Mikeblas (talk) 18:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I know we're encouraged to be bold but I'm also a bit concerned about this since there was no discussion as far as I can tell, and a major change like this really requires consensus. The 1950s article comes about because there was no television in Ireland during that decade but preparations were underway for its arrival, so that needed to be reflected somewhere. Whether that model should then be rolled out to decades when television was an existing and expanding presence, and consequently buck the trend of related articles, is something that needs further evaluation. This is Paul (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. This is Paul (talk) 21:14, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I support the merger of small TV year articles into TV decade articles for most countries pre-1990s. However, especially if you plan to do this for the UK or US and/or other years, I think you should open a thread at WP:TV and document your plans and actions, so that others can step in for the grey zones. – sgeureka t•c 09:04, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm neutral about this. But if the work is going to be done, it should be done correctly. The merges I'm seeing now are just blind copy-paste without any consolidation of repeated sections. Edits should make the encyclopedia better, not worse. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Thinking about it more, I oppose the merger. The merged articles are large and cumbersome; I think it's far more natural to have each year instead of each decade. Each year also seems to be the status quo for many different types of articles. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * (Interim) note(s): (1)I didn't use the IN_USE template since I had intervals exceeding the (2 hours) guideline. I fully agree that I need to make the overall guideline of making things better, not worse. (2) While building the (interim) decade#_in_Irish_television 	it seems obvious that the focus of the initial post-interim-merge edits should focus on consolidate, WP/NotTVGuide trim. Sorry if for the moment it looks like (...) (3) The present focus on Ireland is based on some up-to-a-decade old comments on other talk pages,  Pi314m (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * While it makes sense to merge some of the smaller articles from earlier years, I fear you've been too overenthusiastic with this project, particularly by merging the 2010s articles, which has resulted in the creation of something that will be very cumbersome to view and edit. Far from improving them you've done what can only be described as a botch job. As you mention in your all too brief notes, you're working from comments that are up to a decade old but you haven't provided examples of these or linked to them so nobody knows what they actually say. I also have concerns that WP:NOTTVGUIDE has been misinterpreted since the articles were built on the model of existing content. This is why major changes like these require discussion before being undertaken, and while I've no doubt you've acted in good faith, I will be proposing that some of this is reverted. My own thoughts would be to keep the pre-1990s or 2000s stuff as decades articles then split the rest back into their separate years and that's what I'll be suggesting. This is Paul (talk) 22:55, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Having gone 60s to 2010s FIFO, will do LIFO (but) beginning 2000s. For now, I will leave the 2010s all-in-1 in a less than ideal state, at least until I've done what I owe on 2000s, 1990s, 1980s, ... This is neither to agree nor disagree re splitting 2010s. Pi314m (talk) 02:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * — I ran across these articles working on the backlog in Category:Pages with duplicate reference names, before I ran across this discussion. Noticing the shape they were in from the merges, I boldly cleaned them up — separated into years, one see also section, one references section, one navbar, fixed ref issues. My opinion is the 60s to 90s articles are fine as is, with maybe some minor tweaks. One thing I did notice was that in some years (not all) in those articles, there was an Ongoing television programmes section, which I think could probably be combined into one section for each article to reduce redundancy, just a thought. I am neutral on the split/merge of the 2000s article and the 2010s article, the only one I didn't edit after finding this discussion. Thoughts on the cleanup? If anyone wants to revert back to the previous versions, I certainly won't mind, and I'll leave the cleanup to others. Isaidnoway (talk)  15:53, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1960s in Irish television
 * 1970s in Irish television
 * 1980s in Irish television
 * 1990s in Irish television
 * 2000s in Irish television

Split proposal for 2010s in Irish television
I have opened a discussion on this topic that can be found here. Please feel free to comment. This is Paul (talk) 23:33, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Colour?
When and how was colour introduced? This needs to be added to the article as that's what I came on here to look up.Romomusicfan (talk) 13:20, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ - If you want something sorting, you gotta do it yourself! Romomusicfan (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)