Talk:Temple of Eshmun

Suggestions (not a GA review)
The article looks pretty good, but there are some minor issues that should be addressed.


 * All instances of "BC" and "AD" generally should be replaced with "BCE" and "CE", but it is only recommended by WP:MOS, not mandatory.
 * The Historical background section is choppy; Either the two-line paragraphs are merged with other related paragraphs or they should be expanded with new info.
 * Per MoS Arabic dashes should be placed between the "al" or "el" and the following word i.e. "al-Din" or "el-Sheikh". They should also be lower-cased unless they're the first word in a sentence.
 * I noticed the articles uses both "Saida" and "Sidon". Only one of these should be used for consistence and to avoid confusion. I prefer Sidon because it's more familiar in the English language.
 * The first passage of the "Modern discovery" section should be slightly expanded or merged. There needs to be a citation to back the information as well.
 * When after the Israeli occupation was the temple cleared/renovated?
 * The third passage in the Architecture section should be merged with the second passage.
 * This is an extremely minor point, but why is there an extra white space between the title and lead of the article? I attempted to get rid of it, but could not.
 * Conversion parameters should be in place whenever something is measured in the article. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * thank you for your feedback, these were very informative, i hv fixed most of the points, unfortunately the sources do not state the exact date of the renovation of the site. About the first passage of the "modern discovery" section, it is from the same source as the passage below, i merged these as suggested. Eli  +  22:20, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just an additional note, the beginning of the Historical background section is unreferenced. Everything else seems GA-quality. Good luck! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * To quote WP:MOS on the BC/AD vrs BCE/CE matter "No preference is given to either style". If the article was originally written in BC/AD it should stay that way unless there is a consensus for change on the article talk page.  Unless there was a brief period when WP:MOS changed its line on this, the above suggestion that "All instances of "BC" and "AD" generally should be replaced with "BCE" and "CE" " was incorrect. Greenshed (talk) 00:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with above. Al Ameer son you are way out of line demanding that the era setting should be changed in any article-how much else are you so ignorant about?--90.205.121.39 (talk) 22:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

popular culture
What makes "Nabil Saleh's novel, The Curse of Ezekiel" noteable enough to merit mention here? Wandalstouring (talk) 12:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He is fairly well known at least regionally and to some degree in the UK, i run a google search about him "Nabil Saleh curse of ezekiel", i got >5000 links, does that say anything. I know this does not mean anything but I did read the book and found it surprisingly addicting (maybe its because of my affinity to anything Phoenician)  Eli  +  15:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Name
Should this article be moved to Temple of Eshmun, which seems to be the more common name? Raul654 (talk) 06:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

How do dates suggest relationship?
The lead of the article states that "The site was occupied from the 7th century BCE to the 8th century CE, suggesting an integrated relationship with the nearby city of Sidon". Its location makes it fairly uncontrovertible that it is closely related to the culture and populace of Sidon, but how is it that the dates of occupation suggest that? The Sidon article is not confident about dating the origins of the city any earlier than 4000BCE, and the 200,000 people who live there would presumably not agree that it collapsed some twelve hundred years ago. Kevin McE (talk) 09:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Wording of blurb
"as paganism was overrun by Christianity"

Overrun? Paganism was a dying religion that died out as people converted to Christianity, especially in the Middle East. At the moment, the passage makes it look like Christians stormed the land and violently ended the temple's paganism, ironic considering the first 3 centuries of Christianity endured state-sanctioned or populist persecution. No such words like "overrun" are used when describing how other religions spread... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.12.43 (talk) 02:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

This is wikipedia. If you think it's wrong, fix it. Aldenrw (talk) 15:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The article is linked from the main page, and he is trying to establish consensus: no need to WP:BITE. We are encouraged at WP:ERRORS to establish consensus for change on the article and then request there that it be changed on the Main Page.
 * Agree with IP, and suggest rewrite sentence to read "The Eshmun Temple declined and fell into oblivion as Christianity replaced paganism as the dominant religion in the area, and its large limestone blocks were used to build later structures." Kevin McE (talk) 17:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you should make a big deal out of the passage, fell free to change it as you will. I agree w/ Kevin's suggestion. Eli  +  17:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't edit it; that's why I raised the issue here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.12.43 (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Ydll spring
It would be interesting to hear more about the Ydll spring. Does it still flow? Does it contain any interesting trace minerals? Wnt (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Alas no, the spring has dried out but the canalizations are still largely intact Eli +  17:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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