Talk:Ten (Pearl Jam album)

Untitled
After listening to Ten for a while, my brother was convinced that the drummer that played on 'Once' and 'Even Flow' and 'Alive' could not be the same drummer that played on 'Black.' The liner notes list the only drummer as Dave (Krusen) but could there be another drummer?


 * Dave Krusen drums on all the album tracks, but the radio/video version of Even Flow" features Dave Abbruzzese (also on Vs. and Vitalogy). Matt Chamberlain plays drums on the "Alive" video. --jh51681 00:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Drumming
Much to your common knowlage Abbruzzese did play drums on a track on this album, Dirty Frank on the reissue, don't even try to say he didnt when he has a writing credit on it. (Drugyourlove (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC))
 * Yes, I'm aware Abbruzzese co-wrote and played on "Dirty Frank" but it was written and recorded after Ten first came out, so I wouldn't really call it an album track. It's on the B-side of "Even Flow" and a bonus track on some European versions of Ten but not on the original US release or the reissue. My comment was written three years before the reissue even came out. :D --jh51681 (talk) 12:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Reviews
I couldn't help but notice all the album reviews were written after or during the grunge explosion. It would be interesting to find reviews of Ten that were written before Nirvana broke through, and what the media's opinion on Pearl Jam was before that. If anyone can find such a review, please put a link for it in the review section (and possibly write a small section in the article about the difference). La Pizza11 20:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Album Sales

If the album was certified 12x paltinum by the RIAA that means it has sold 12 million copies in the U.S. since the RIAA only deals with U.S. album sales. I don't know where that 9.4 million keeps coming from, it must be an out of date source.

The RIAA counts the number of units shipped, not the number of albums sold. Check the RIAA website: http://www.riaa.com/gp/certification/default.asp -5- 07:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Jumping on the grunge bandwagon
"While Pearl Jam were accused of jumping on the grunge bandwagon at the time......." I love it when people claim this. Yes, jumping on the bandwagon that they helped build six years earlier with Green River......of course, Kurt didn't jump on no bandwagon, he just wrote different lyrics to Killing Joke/Pixies songs. Christ, he couldn't even write all of his own suicide note! 86.17.211.191 22:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * We're not insinuating that Nirvana had a bigger influence than Pearl Jam. Nirvana isn't even mentioned in that sentence. In my own opinion, Pearl Jam pre-dated the "grunge bandwagon", not just because of Green River and Mother Love Bone, but that Ten was released before Nevermind and just took longer to become popular. However, it was claimed at the time (whether or not that accusation is correct or justified) and the sentence is cited, so it should be left as is. --Brandt Luke Zorn 06:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the point. Critics at the time accused them of being a corporate-manufactured grunge band. WesleyDodds 07:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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"Pearl Jam's original name was taken from after the professional basketball player Mookie Blaylock.[7]" needs to be fixed.

GAN on hold
And leave me a note when done...cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why are there two "professional reviews" from Robert Christgau?
 * Removed his "Consumer Guide" review. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "the two recruited vocalist Eddie Vedder, guitarist Mike McCready, and drummer Dave Krusen and formed Pearl Jam in 1990" - reads poorly with two "and"s
 * Fixed. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Five of the songs recorded—titled..." - you could do without the "titled"
 * Changed it.-5- (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "in June in England" - is a wlink for England really necessary?
 * Fixed.-5- (talk) 17:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "In subsequent years..." - when quoting, say when they said these things, for perspective.
 * Addressed.-5- (talk) 17:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "formed a part of a song cycle" - would this read better without the first "a"?
 * Fixed.-5- (talk) 17:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ref 17 needs a publisher, and here's a URL for you.
 * Addressed.-5- (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "About Pearl Jam’s sound" - sentence starting with "about" sounds awkward
 * Changed it.-5- (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is (ref 29) a reliable source?
 * No indication of where the facts presented in the article came from. Removed. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything looks good; passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 03:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't notice that and just messaged you! Sorry! WesleyDodds (talk) 03:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Some more comments
Hope this helps! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "The album produced three hit singles" - infobox says four singles, I'd say you should at least note the existance of "Oceans" in the lead.
 * "Oceans" never became a hit. I believe it is mentioned as being released as a single in the "Release and reception" section.
 * I'm not sure as to the purpose of the References section since everything noted there is also fully cited as a footnote...
 * "had played together in the pioneering grunge band Green River and then Mother Love Bone" - this sounds a bit awkward...you're talking about one band most of the time, and then bam, Mother Love Bone is suddenly mentioned...get my drift?
 * addressed
 * "former Shadow drummer Chris Friel" - any relevant wlinks for Shadow or Chris Friel?
 * No wikilinks exist for either.
 * "Meanwhile Vedder had also written lyrics" - a bit wordy...either remove the "meanwhile" or the "also" (and add a comma after meanwhile if you leave it in).
 * addressed
 * A note about ref publisher wlinking...it's odd. Rolling Stone is linked sometimes and not other times...same for Allmusic.com and others...try and be consistent (to do this I just always link, not sure what you do...)
 * addressed
 * "The album was mixed in June in England by Tim Palmer, who was joined by the band." - perhaps "The band joined Tim Palmer in June in England for mixing."....
 * addressed
 * Does ref 9 actually discuss the Pearl Jam song? Just curious...
 * "The songs on the album fused "the riff-heavy stadium rock of the '70s with the grit and anger of '80s post-punk, without ever neglecting hooks and choruses."" - says who? By the way, this paragraph had (prior to this sentence) some really great prose (though you might get hit for NPOV...)...it kinda ruins the modd by slamming in a bigass quote here...
 * addressed
 * "chart on the date issued" - is it necessary to say this? Just say it hit top 10 on Billboard on
 * addressed
 * "that it is frontman Eddie Vedder that" - it's already been made clear tht Vedder was frontman, no need to say it again...
 * addressed
 * There are a few reviews in the infobox that aren't noted in the reception section...including a 5 star from AMG, which I'd have thought would be noteworthy (incidentally, the Melody Maker review isn't noted in the infobox).
 * Author on ref 18 is noted as Stud Brothers, but prose says it was Allan Jones...who's right?
 * The quote by Allan Jones is in the article written by the Stud Brothers. The original review by Allan Jones cannot be found.
 * There isn't really any discussion of the album's cover art in the Imagery and design section (OK, there's a sentence...). Is there no more to say? (I vaguely recall commenting on this when I looked at this for GA (review done offline) so sorry if I've missed something here.)
 * There used to be more information, but it was judged that the article that was referenced was not a good source so most of the information was removed.
 * First para of Ten Tour section has some really short sentences that could do with some smoothing out.
 * addressed

Reissue DVD
Has there been any official word on why their cover of "rockin' in the free world" wasn't included on the DVD? I've searched but found nothing. Also, is this omission noteworthy enough to warrant a mention in this article? Frvernchanezzz (talk) 08:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Genre
I didn't want to become part of the edit war, but I believe it should say "grunge". "Alternative rock" was almost never used to describe Ten, and many in the media and other musicians (notably Kurt Cobain) agreed that Ten isn't an Alternative album. Also, "Grunge" isn't a mere subgenre of Alt rock, as it didn't develop exclusively from it.

Even if we did agree that grunge is a sub genre of Alt rock, then what's the point of putting the broad term "Alternative", when we can use the specific "sub"-genre of grunge? IMO grunge is correct here. 124.185.241.28 (talk) 07:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, and I didn't say the exact same thing two days earlier. This kind of thing won't even need any discussion. Pearl Jam were a band from Seattle in the early 90s. They could have played 80s synth pop, and they'd still be called grunge.Revan ltrl (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Should Hard Rock and Alternative Rock be added as second and third genres? I personally don't think that this enire album fits entirely into the Grunge genre. tsunamishadow (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't oppose having those if someone added them (with a proper citation, of course), but I think the point is to keep the genre line in the infobox as simple as possible, and get into the specifics within the text of the article. 123.211.141.151 (talk) 06:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Alternative rock shouldn't be listed as a genre from this album, but totally agree with only Grunge and Hard Rock styles. Nenê Paulinho Spercel (talk) 18:06, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

2009 re-release is a loudness war product
It is heavily clippped and distorted. This needs to be addressed in the article. --Radicalfaith360 (1/27/2010) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radicalfaith360 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Reviews
Who took the reviews down? every other album has it put it back up —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fifthhorizon (talk • contribs) 02:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Accolades section
I feel that it would make a good improvement to the article if the accolades section were converted into prose. Perhaps this content is better fit as prose under a "legacy" section? I'm just looking at similar articles on groundbreaking alternative rock albums like Nevermind for example. Just a thought. I think the change is nessecary. I cannot see it becoming a FA without addressing this. BV talk 01:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

There was not a legal concern over the name Mookie Blaylock
They only used the name for a 10 show tour with AIC.

In the following article, Jeff Ament explains where the name came from. He also states Mr. Blaylock was "cool" with it.

http://webspace.ringling.edu/~hclark/seattle_threads/interviews_story.php

This "claim" needs to be removed.

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Ok... On what tracks?
Walter Gray – cello Rick Parashar – production, piano, organ, percussion

Okay... But on what tracks do they perform on?