Talk:Ten Tors

2007
"Having been informed of this decision, participants spent the night camped at a manned Tor, before being escorted off the moor by the Army the following day.[4]"

AS one of the many on the moor that day i can contradict that. No teams were told that they were being pulled off on saturday, the army realised how pissed people would get if they did. They just stopped all the teams and told them to camp and told them they would be allowed to leave again in the morning. Just before 6 the next morning(the time the tor opens) they then said the tor opening would be postponed and for people to put tents back up and get in them. A while later they were then told they were all being pulled off.

Other tors were told they were being pulled off earlier on sunday but i have never heard anywhere of any team being told Saturday. none of the many teams we met sunday had. We were all expecting to be carrying on... 84.65.179.251 (talk) 21:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to confirm this; when we were packing up our tent in the morning, getting ready to leave, we were told that there would be a delay starting and that we should get back in the tent. We found out we weren't walking when somebody heard on the local radio news that the decision had been taken to end it the previous night. --87.194.116.84 (talk) 20:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Four Inns Walk
I've put a cross-link to the Four Inns Walk held in Derbyshire at Easter, though this a competitive 1-day outing, and is usually tackled by Rover Scouts and teams of club runners and strong walkers. 80.177.213.144 13:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite
It struck me that this page seemed to be both a little vague and somewhat outdated, so I've made the edits detailed below:

I have added a sentence to the first paragraph defining the general geographic scope from which entrants are drawn. I have added details of the number of routes to the second paragraph, changed "captain" to "team leader", which is what it is called in the rules, removed the reference to a navigator, which is incorrect, and added the age limits. I have added to the third paragraph a reference to the importance of navigation to the event. Along with some minor changes to the fourth paragraph, I have removed the passage about cryptosporidium: teams currently have to collect water from the moor, and have done since 2003, at least. I have broadly rewritten the fifth paragraph to give a more accurate indication of the timings and conditions for awarding of the medal. I have added the name of the Jubilee Challenge to the eigth paragraph. I have corrected the out-of-date link to the official website.

Hope this is all okay.

sjcollier 18:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Have just added a list of manned tors: please feel free to remove this is you feel it's superfluous, though hopefully I'll get pages up for a couple of these tors in the next few weeks (see Talk:Tor). Also done a few minor rearrangements. sjcollier 22:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Another Author's Additions
I've just added a few minor details, nothing much - I hope this is okay with the original author. I made referance to the year I completed the 35 mile challenge, where the Ten Tors vetrans came back. I stated that they'd dropped out - which I am 90% sure they did (unfortunately for them). However, if this is incorrect, I appologise profusely. Acra 21:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! The more the merrier - please feel free to contribute.  Hope you don't mind me tidying up a few things (I'm trying not to be too territorial over this article...):
 * The story of the 1960s veterans is nice; something I'd not heard of. I think it'a best not to say whether they dropped out or not until we know for certain - I'll try to do a bit of research.
 * I think "thorough" is probably a better description of scuiteneering than "extensive" (though "tedious" would also be appropriate, if a little unencyclopadedic)
 * Also thanks to whoever moved the "Death Valley" paragraph over. I've repositioned it and tried to make it clear where (I think) it's referring to.  sjcollier 00:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I found that the team (or at least part of it) did drop out that year, but I think it is probably better respectfully to leave that out of the article. Just wondering what your connection with Ten Tors is? Myself, I have walked both 35 and 45 miles, and as of this year have walked 55 miles (the fastest 'Z' route round since internet recordings of the event) and will walk again next year. Acra 21:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

...nicknamed 'Death Valley' as five separate sets of human bones, showing signs of trauma were found at the bottom. This is news to me: I have only experienced teams calling the valley 'Death Valley' because of it's steepness and is always a necessary crossing on the event... I know for a fact that a liberator bomber crashed there, and have found the wreckage opposite Black-a-tor copse. --Acra

I think there should be more information about how strict the scuiteneering is and how long it takes! Also a bit about how the teams have a card they have to get stamped at each tor, and how this enables relatives and family to track the teams on the website. It should also be added that it is not just the army that run the event. RAF & Navy man the tors, (when i did it the RAF had the west side of the moor and the navy the east. Also the sea-king helicopters present are both Navy (not sure if the lynx is army or navy). Also i may have so pictures that can be used, i check later --Yini3

Another other author's contribution

Generaly the sea kings are navy "junglies" on account of their green colour which I believe normally work with the royal marines. I've not seen lynxes flying at ten tors in the last 12 yewars or so but one or two army gazelles do operate in a liason role and on one occassion at least provided med-evac from an awkward slope that was not sea-kingable. A photograph of the casualty site is on this page (2nd photgraph) http://www.dartmoor-rescue.org/. The figure second from left is holding a day-smoke flare to indicate the considerable wind speed/direction awaiting the Gazelle's arrival. on landing into the slope the Gazelle's rotors were only a few feet off the ground at the front of the disc!

I also would question the accuracy that teams were still on the hill on Monday in 1996. My recollection is that all teams were accounted for by 19.00 ish on Sunday evening.KL

Westland sea kings used at ten tors are of this type Sea King HC.4 Commando assault, utility transport version for the Royal Navy and is still in service with 845, 846 and 848 squadrons based at RNAS Yeovilton. The Sea King HC.Mk 4 is capable of transporting 28 fully equipped troops. (Also referred to as Westland Commando). Gazelle's are army air corp jobs from Middle Wallop, some years have been flown by Territorial Army pilots. If it cannot be verified that teams were out until monday in '96 I will remove that section in 10 days time. KL 08-08-2007

Hoax?
As referred to above - I've removed this piece One infamous training location is the section of the West Okement valley that divides Amicombe Hill and Kitty Tor to the south-west from High Willhays and Yes Tor to the north-east, and which has been nicknamed 'Death Valley' as five separate sets of human bones, showing signs of trauma were found at the bottom. as to me it is a hoax. It really should not go back in within some respected sourcing. -- Herby talk to me 09:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Typos?
I've changed the year Ten Tors resumed after the Foot-and-Mouth outbreak from 2003 to 2002 - I guess '03 was a typo - Ten Tors 2002 did indeed happen; 391 teams started and 336 finished, complete or otherwise. TenTorsWebmasterUK (talk) 21:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I've also added the number of routes in the Jubilee Challenge and corrected the length of its shortest route. I've changed 'children' to 'young people' - this is the term used by the organizers of the Event, 43 (Wessex), and better suggests the age range of the entrants. (Ref: Jubilee Challenge) TenTorsWebmasterUK (talk) 19:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Ten Tors 2011
This section is at odds with the facts for that year, and needs fixing.

From the Ten Tors website notes (and photos) for 2011 (Ten Tors 2011), the Challenge that year started under a clear blue sky, but cloud obscured the tops of West Mill and High Willhays even then. By 09:38 "after a beautiful start to the day we have more cloud building up" and at 17:50 a note "the day started bright and blue but fresh, then clouded over, threatening but failing to rain. Now evening is almost with us a blue sky is breaking through and the Teams should be able to make camp in the dry". Sunday was very similar with the first finishers (M1306 - Downend Scouts, at 08:35 Route M listing, 2011 ) walking in under a blue sky, but at 15:16 the site notes: "With just under two hours to go the cloud has gathered through the day and now it's fairly grey". Notes from the Event

It turned out that the largely overcast and cool weekend was almost perfect walking weather - of the 390 Teams which started 374 (95%) walked over the finish line, and of those finishing Teams 316 (81%) walked in Complete, with all six team members. Over the fifteen year existence of the Ten Tors website this is the highest percentage of both Finishing and Complete Teams. Sixteen Teams either retired (just 7, less than 2%) or were 'crashed out', but even here the stats are impressive - in all other years covered by the site Teams are noted as stopping at their second Tor onwards. In 2011 the first Teams to stop reached their fifth Tor before doing so. 2011 was a remarkable year. (These stats were derived from the 'All Teams' list for the year Ten Tors Teams, 2011 )

I'm more than happy to discuss replacement wording - TenTorswebmaster (talk) 19:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Ten Tors 2009
Sadly the note on the entry for 2009 "20th Torbay Explorer Scouts became the first organisation to cross the line first on consecutive years" is not correct. Plymouth DofE Award 45 did so in 2002 (at 09:23) and in 2003 (at 08:49), in each instance as a Complete team. See All Teams list, 2002 and All Teams list, 2003 - the entry for 2010, noting that the 20th Torbay Explorer Scouts led the Teams home for three consecutive years, marks a truly impressive achievement! All Teams list, 2010 (These 'all Teams' lists are created to a tight format - it is possible to sort them on column 136 to list the Teams in time order...) TenTorswebmaster (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Edits applied...
Having seen no responses I've applied the edits mentioned above, and added stats for most years. I've also added what I hope is clarification to the original 'Teams of four to six...' text. I've inserted 'Dartmoor Plodders' to the 2004 section and added a paragraph to 2012 relating to X2414 Kingsbridge Community College. As before, I'm happy to discuss the changes, and apologies in advance if I've misused 'cites' and links. TenTorswebmaster (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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Ten tor’s
Anyone know the 55 record please? AlistairPeebles (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)