Talk:Tenacious D/Archive 1

Wonderboy's Video Release and confusion
The Wonderboy video did come out first now whether is was the first commercially available single, no it apparently wasn't. I remember seeing the video was at around the time the Fellowship of the Ring was released to theaters back near the end of 2001. The video was released about a month after the album's release and was the first video/song to promote it. If you argue with that, then they didn't release anything until over six months after the album was released. Where did the people who've edited this wiki entry and the other related ones get your information? I know my own personal of first seeing the video isn't enough. I mean it's not like I didn't buy the album off hearing and and seeing the video for Wonderboy or anything or not have a firm time frame of when I bought it. I'm tempted to go through and update things myself, but I'll wait a few days to see if the people who have been working on this and the other related pages do it. Heck with it, all you need to do to see that the music video for Wonderboy came out in 2001 is check here and look for Wonderboy:

http://video.yahoo.com/video/search?p=Tenacious+D&ei=UTF-8&fr=&x=0&y=0

There are many other sources that'll show that the Wonderboy video was released in 2001.PHOENIXZERO 08:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ironic and sarcastic
Over the past couple months this page has billed them as "ironic," "sarcastic," "humorous," etc. I settled on "comedy." Any objections? Rhobite 01:20, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Yes. Any true D fan realizes that while yes, The D is funny, they are funny only in a secondary way. The D rock hard. That is their primary objective.

Jack Black featured on the Sum 41 Christmas Song, 'Things I want', was this an official D thing or was he Just doing it himself? If it was the D and Sum 41 as opposed to JB and Sum 41 it might be worth a mention.

I think comedy says it as well as any term. In truth, The D defies description. I wouldn't say they are funny secondarily. I think they possess that unique quality that emerges at the intersection of Unbelievable Musical Talent and Complete Mastery of Humor. Their primary goal is to rock, but two so funny as these can do no less than hillariate. (Ridiculous pomposity intended.)

quotes
Removed from the page:
 * Other popular quotes
 * "Dianetics, your butt cheeks is warm."

Maybe belongs on Wikiquote, but it was out of place in the article &mdash; siro  &chi;  o  23:16, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * It's actually a quote from one fo their songs (Kielbasa).  K ilo-Lima|(talk) 19:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

burning if Tenacius D records
On the article about book book burning it says that D records have been burnt i public. i think it would be worth mentioning in the article...

Wonderboy parody and Dio
There are many similarities between Wonderboy's video and Dio's Holy Diver video. So if anything was "ripped off" it was that. Just thought I'd mention that.

Future and present of Tenacious D
Does anyone know what they are doing now? is another cd coming out?

Tenacious D genre; rock
The D are a rock band, anything less is degrading, myself and several other people will continue to ensure that the genre is listed as Rock, accept this and do not change it, we pledge our lives and souls to maintaining this page, thank you. 70.32.178.46 00:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Friends of the D
 * Please read WP:3RR.[[Image:Weather rain.png]] Soothing R  10:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

hey ive been a fan of the D since the 90's and i agree with the guy above, the D are rock, thats what they call themselves and i think it best defines them 198.172.203.226 04:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the D are rock. They aim to spread the message of rock, not comedy rock, just rock. Change it.
 * Your personal opinion is appreciated, but sadly, irrelevant in this case. One of the few things that really matter at Wikipedia is to cite sources who say so, since we are writing an encyclopedia, which relies on gathering information from already existing sources. Here are some:
 * rhapsody.com says "comedy rock",
 * amazon says "rock", "comedy rock", "pop",
 * cluas.com says they "perform comedy rock songs" and
 * last.fm lists them as the most favorite current "comedy rock"-band, right before Frank Zappa. How can this be "degrading"?? If there are sources showing a completely different view of the band's style, we should mention it, which means we should mention BOTH definitions, as comedy rock is based on sources. --Johnnyw 16:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This Comedy Rock-Rock-Comedy Rock war is really annoying. Maybe we should consider locking the page. On Comedy Rock that is.Daniel Trielli 21:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The consensus on the official Tenacious D forums is that the D should be listed as either Rock or Folk Metal, they are not comedy rock. The websites listed above are in-accurate, they are simply uneducated. The purpose of Tenacious D is to Rock, not to make you laugh, if you find them comedic that is a bonus.

Please review this thread: http://forums1.epicrecords.com/webx?50@402.L4myab5fjO5.0@.ef40588

I would like to say that this is a very simple matter of you few people who are fanatically obsessed with maintaining Wikipedia versus the fans of Tenacious D, we fans know and understand the true genre of the D. This genre is undefinable, it is beyond the concept of genre, however since a genre is required, one must be given, an approximation, a tribute to their greatness. And comedy rock is not that. Rock is the ultimate power in the universe, it binds us and guides us and the D are guardians of this power, they are warriors on the front lines, bringing forth the Rock to us. It is only fitting we list their genre as Rock, or at the very least Folk Metal, a more worthy sub-genre of Rock. The blasphemous comedy rock does nothing but insinuate that they are a joke band.

Since it is apparent to me that all that matters to you Wikipedians is that other websites back up the facts, I will provide several links referring to Tenacious D as Folk Metal.

http://flakmag.com/music/tenaciousd.html

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/dvd/0,6115,538151_21%7C7045%7C%7C0_0_,00.html

http://www.moderndrummer.com/viewcritlist/t (see the third one down)

http://entertainment.ivillage.com/features/0,,q4zx-p,00.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20021103/ai_n12667323

http://media.www.dailytargum.com/media/paper168/news/2005/03/22/InsideBeat/Hbowesome-899368.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytargum.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

If more sources are needed, they shall be supplied. I will abstain from editing the page myself, in hopes that you Wikipedians will come to your senses and acknowledge the D as either Rock or Folk Metal.

Loyal subject of the D 130.94.123.176 00:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for supplying sources to make this discussion fruitful. Nevertheless, I find it quite irritating that some of you ask your fellow D fans at yor forum "if you would like to show your support for their genre being listed as Rock, please post it here or on the wikipedia discussion page." I am trying to maintain this article and already have invested hours of my spare time to do so. It would make it A LOT easier, if you tried to help and 'improve this article rather than pushing your personal agenda. While you might find the only true answer to be that the D are just rock or folk metal, this is not what an encyclopedia is about. We have to show every viewpoint in a proportionate way in order to keep a balance, to maintain neutral point of view. I will - of course - incorporate your input in the article, but you just cannot PUSH for any changes, just because you want them to happen. Every change has to done in a contructive manner, otherwise we'll end up messing around with the genre and categorization forever, although we could have rewritten the article twice in the meantime. I hope you agree.. --Johnnyw 00:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I love the D as much as anybody, but if they're truly not interested in being considered a "comedy-rock" band, they have a strange way of showing it. Their first major appearance anywhere was in 'Bio-Dome', their television show was a spin-off from 'Mr. Show' (a sketch comedy program), and none of their released songs are straight-rock with no comedy (I'd maybe concede 'Shells', which hasn't been released on an album yet).
 * However, I do see the anti-comedy side, inasmuch as many people have negative connotations with "comedy", especially with regard to music. This is something which could possibly be addressed in the article, as I do agree that there's more to the D than just the joke.
 * Out of curiosity, why is The Darkness not "comedy-rock" as well?
 * ThatGuamGuy 16:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC) sean (TGG)

Dave Grohl is also drummer, yes, but he's not the drummer for Foo Figthers like this article suggests. He's the LEAD SINGER.

Television Spurt
The D had a very short lived televison career with 6 episodes. I'm willing to do the content, but I'm still very new to wiki so if someone else wants to do it, that would be great

Jim Croce
Can someone explain to me how "FHG" is a nod to "I'll Have to Say I Love you in a Song"? Maybe I'm missing something... Dubc0724 19:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * deleted comment since it wasn't cited. -- LoudMouth 16:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Confused
Is Tenacious D really into all that Satanic stuff, or is it just a parody of how some hard rock bands are?

And the first single is in fack tribute.. proofs are own words from the band in the making of on the dvd, and as well the music video being featured on the wonderboy single..... ya... some1 change that

No, they're kidding. It's a parody, like you said. -ENX

Wrong. Of course they are serious about worshiping Satan. They simply get away with it be pretending they are just kidding.

Videos
The video section says that three videos followed 'Tribute'; by my memory, 'Wonderboy' was the first single, and that was the first video. I never saw the 'Dio' video, but would take your words for it. ThatGuamGuy 16:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)sean (TGG)

Misattribution and imitators
I felt it was appropriate to include this. I know there are other songs that people on P2P describe as being by Tenacious D, i.e. The 12 Drugs of Christmas, the Chewbacca Song, I'm the Only Gay Eskimo etc.

Edinburgh, where Kyle and Jack met first
I remember reading about this. Jables says that he first met Kyle in Edinburgh. If I found the citation (an interview) should I add it in?

http://www.virtualfestivals.com/artists/article.cfm?artistid=-1&articleid=411&startrow=2

So where did the legendary 'D' originally meet? JB: Well, me and Kyle actually met in Scotland and our friendship blossomed at the Edinburgh theatre festival in ’89. We did a show there with the Actors Gang Theatre Company that Tim Robbins was in charge of. It wasn’t even in the Fringe; we were in the main festival. We went and got drunk at the End Of The World pub and some other pub where some guy hanged himself. Think I’ve still got the T-shirt. Uh, we’ve also got some short films from it that we now show in-between songs.

Time for an article on the HBO episodes
Is anyone prepared to help me do this? What should the title be? If you are up for this reply, and I will set it up. An Tenacious D HBO episode page could cover all the songs they did in them etc and trivia, something not covered anywhere else.

Tenacious D (HBO television series)

Tenacious D Drive
I revamped the singles putting in some cited details. If anyone else has more citable info, please help.

Tenacious D Fans 14:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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