Talk:Tenacious D/Archive 2

WikiProject
I propose a WikiProject for Tenacious D. Read the proposal here. Of you are on board, leave your name there.

Tenacious D Fans 21:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

"Other Bands" Section slightly inaccurate
Hi there,

I found a little mistake in the section "Other Bands". It states that "the duo" appeared in the Foo Fighters video Low, which is not true. Jack Black alone with Dave Grohl appears in this video. However, Jack Black *and* Kyle Gass appear in the Foo Fighters video "Learn to fly".

Watch here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgVYEFaosE and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlUE9Hp9O4

Cheers, Andy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.60.113.154 (talk) 16:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC).


 * You're right. I deleted the reference. Thanks.


 * Tenacious D Fans 19:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Drunken Mistake
"Power metal bands, like Meat Loaf, The Who, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath."... Power Metal like what!?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)


 * Power Metal like that produced like Meat Loaf, The Who, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, presumably. Evil Egg 22:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Broken link in References
Under the section The future and a possible third album the link in Reference 9 which comes after "Gass expressed his desire to curb his work with Tenacious D" is broken. And that's sad. I wanted to read it for myself.


 * Fixed. It was an Associated Press interview, so other websites featured it. CNN.com had deleted it so I found another news site hosting it.


 * Tenacious D Fans 19:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't read to me like he really wants to curb work with the band. It's just comes off as an off-hand comment about going out on top. I doubt this is really the end of Tenacious D as the section somewhat implies as it's written now. Maybe it would be written more clearly and kept in?The Myst 12:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Politics
I think there needs to be some discussion on the D's politics. I am going to add a paragraph on it. If you want to help me edit it and improve it, here is the basic framework I followed. You can use the links too

Every single assertion is cited.


 * They did a John Kerry benefit ( (Bottom of page))
 * They sing a song called the Government totally sucks
 * They attended a legalize-marijuana benefit (http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=639)
 * They appeared on High Times

From, Sunday Times article :

"Occasionally, they have essayed something with a little more lyrical sophistication. They even wrote a political song for the film, but intuited it had no place in their comic world-view. It kept its berth on the soundtrack album, though. It’s called The Government Totally Sucks. Black is ambivalent about coming out against the neo-cons. “What good does it do? Literally every celebrity in America came out anti-Bush in full force before the last election. It might have actually hurt. I think the best thing I can do for anti-Bush is just to say nothing.” Gass thinks people say, “‘Who are Barbra Streisand and Warren Beatty supporting? I’m going for the other guy because they’re so annoying.’”

Bush will be gone in another couple of years, however. What is the future for Tenacious D, beyond the five-date tour of the UK in their diary? They are not prolific songwriters. At the going rate, their next album won’t appear until Gass is in his fifties."

Good links:

(Bottom of page)

Tenacious D Fans 17:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You know... Im looking at that section and wondering if it really belongs. Clearly, Jack and Kyle have certain views, but as a band they are only statedly pro-cannabis and anti-authority. They never mention Bush or war, so I think the anti-Iraq War stuff does not belong at all. (the only reason Im posting rather than deleting is that its you who put it in there) Metao 07:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm also unsure whether the Bush and Iraq stuff is relevant to their identity as a band. MarkBuckles (talk) 02:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review
The Tenacious D Peer Review had some entries.

The main points raised were:


 * We need fair-use images, we currently have none
 * The format of references needs changed, to have them after the punctuation
 * Discography needs reformatted, I am taking this one on personally

Tenacious D Fans 19:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. Articles must be evaluated by an independent person. The nominator, or someone who has worked extensively on the article, is not an independent judge!, and thus cannot grant GA status. Hope this clarifies things. The JPS talk to me  18:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Tours
I want to get some more tour pages set up for the D. Here are the relevant citations.

Cites for 1999:



Cites for 2001:


 * 
 * 
 * 

Cites for 2002:


 * 

Miscellaneous Cites


 * 

Tenacious D Fans (talk) 18:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA
The GA nomination failed for being in Category:Articles with unsourced statements. (Ibaranoff24 22:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC))


 * Unsourced statements have been dealt with. Thanks. Tenacious D Fans (talk) 15:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Influences
I want to start a paragraph on the influences of Tenacious D, ie who (in music) has influenced Jack and Kyle.

Jack says in an interview:

Simon and Garfunkel, Black Sabbath and Abba. It was Take a Chance on Me - take a chance take a chance - that was the first song I enjoyed.

In addition, when asked who Tenacious D has influenced, he says:

Oh, I really like The Darkness, and no I don't think we influenced them, I think we have some similarities though in that we both make fun of rock while loving it intensely. They're great though. I really love that song that I can't sing it here now. [then proceeds to sing a bit. Ed] Mother Hubbard! That was a freebie, a little private concerto for you…



In another interview, the discussion of influences with the Foo Fighters is raised:

The D are in the Foo Fighters' video Learning to fly and Dave Grohl played drums on your album. Has there been any mutual band influence?

KG: Actually, Dave said that his last record was completely influenced by us.

JB: Yeah, he gave us a little 'thank you'. One of songs on the album, 'Explosivo', was originally going to be a tribute to Kurt Cobain, but the lyrics were pretty bad. Dave Grohl came to one of our early shows and made it known that we were on the same page and that he wanted to be part of our magical mystery tour. And so we exploited that. And now… it’s just a love-fest.

KG: So now he doesn’t call much.

JB: Were you just taking a sip of water?



When asked about his influences he says he draws his inspiration 'from deep within the mind of the superfreak', and his favourite genre of character is the over-confident loser.



LOS ANGELES -- Tenacious D founder Jack Black sits in a suite at the Four Seasons Hotel in a Black Sabbath T-shirt explaining his musical influences. He doesn't want to be mocked, OK?



Another article (great) on influences:



Tenacious D Fans (talk) 15:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"Meat Loaf is an ass"
"Kyle Gass of Tenacious D has called Meat Loaf "an ass" after the "Bat Out of Hell" star demanded a million dollars for his part in "The Pick of Destiny.""



Tenacious D Fans (talk) 16:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this a good enough source? Tenacious D Fans (talk) 16:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I reckon it is. Thundermaster367 11:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant cite tool
I found this on a cite page on Wikipedia please use it to make perfect reference code! 81.158.175.87 19:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

We made GA status
Tenacious D made Good Article status. We cannot rest with that and have to keep the improvements coming.

If you have anything to add, please cite it, if you are not sure about this contact me.

Tenacious D Fans (talk) 22:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Im starting to go through it for tidying up purposes. I did add one thing - the nickname being "The D" - but was unsure how to cite it because... well, its just too obvious to me ;). Im about halfway through I think. I want to redo some of the stuff in the first album section (it seems like some of the stuff about Tribute will be in that article), look at the "work" section, as well as figure out a way to have the Influences, Friendship and Lee sections flow a bit better. At the moment they feel like something tacked on the end. Also, it seems like there should be a lot more See-Alsos than just Trainwreck and Sax-a-Boom... Let me know if you have any contentions. Metao 09:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I put the Tour section back in where it should be (maybe Politics should move there too?) and realised the next messiest thing in the article is the second album section. Ill look at that next chance I get. Metao 09:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks very good. I'll help cite, "The D". Tenacious D Fans (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Do we really need IPA? Foo Fighters dont have one - unless you're Sigur Ros or Bjork, whats the point? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Metao (talk • contribs) 00:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Also, the feature article nom states that the comparisons to bands in the lead are not substantiated later in the article. Metao 00:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we need to show how the D is similiar to these artists. Tenacious D Fans (talk) 08:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also make sure to refer to them using their last names, not their firsts (e.g. Black instead of Jack) per MoS:BIO. ShadowHalo 06:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think the section about Lee is neccessary. If Dave Grohl has no section, why does Lee if they are equally influential to the band? Some info about Lee should be merged with the History section. Sfrostee 16 April 2007


 * They aren't equally influential. Dave Grohl plays drums for them on albums and such, but he isnt in the band. Lee is an honourary member/roadie/friend and part of the shows. Metao 07:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Why?
Why did Kyle Gass initially feel threatened by Jack Black? June-gloom 15:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I have seen, he didn't like the fact Jack was musical. That was Kyle's skill. Tenacious D Fans (talk) 07:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The Dust Bowl Cavaliers etc
I have listened to the Bluegrass wrecks the music of TD CD (through myspace and amazon) so I know what it is (ie the female vocals on Jesus Ranch etc).

However, I do not think this is suitable. There are many covers/remixes/tribute bands of Tenacious D (the now defunct Sidehatch, Share Torture Device Vs. Tenacious D's Manager and many tribute bands - I friends in one).

I have never seen any other band pages that list covers. Tenacious D Fans (talk) 20:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * agreed. Metao 00:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

None of this makes any difference you guys. If it does in fact relate to Tenacious D it's worth noting. This is Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.207.20 (talk • contribs)


 * I'm removing the link. Please read External links. MarkBuckles (talk) 19:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This says it all really: User talk:68.4.207.20. Amazon Affiliate Referencing. Tut tut tut. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 08:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Heavy Metal As A Genre
Do you think that some of Tenacious D's work might be classed as heavy metal, in reference to some of the tracks on The Pick of Destiny? Please tell me if you think I should add this as a genre. Thundermaster367 14:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it was once there, and was removed. Metao 05:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I'm considering re-adding it. What do you think? Thundermaster367 11:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Be bold. (in this case, this is a polite way of me saying that I dont care either way ;)) Metao 04:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad. Still, neither do I. You know I'm only here because I have to discuss it. Which I have. And we have reached a consensus. I am glad. Thundermaster367 13:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

How are they Heavy Metal? 71.108.161.29 (talk) 22:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Several tracks on the P.O.D album are undoubtably metal. For example, The Metal. However, as always, this is Wikipedia. It is unsourced information. Feel free to remove it. Metao (talk) 01:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well if they have metal songs, let's keep it up there.I mean, I could just remove some of the others because they're unsourced and make the page look crap. 86.135.80.62 (talk) 16:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Guitar Hero and To-do List
I would add these two myself but I figure it's best to check first these days and I almost always put something in the perceived wrong place here and it gets moved or what-not regardless. So I'll drop both mentions and whomever can work them as they please. First being, that 'The Metal' has been confirmed to be in Guitar Hero III as well as being the forefront song on the first (I believe) official trailer for the game. I would think this deserves a mention on the page somewhere, albeit a small one.

Secondly, there is a mention at the top to-do list about the D previously having been on Saturday Night Live but the poster not being able to recall the date. While they weren't the "official" musical guest, they did perform two songs, and that episode was 445 (Season 23, air date May 2nd 1998). Since the site SNL Transcripts is used as a reference for the Matthew Fox episode, here is the link for the 1998 episode for reference. Thanks to all. --24.127.81.97 17:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Stoner Rock
Is this a stupid suggestion? I wouldn't think so as they have made many references to weed. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 08:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but those are clearly humorous and not intended to be taken serious. Also, Tenacious D plays rather fast.. way too fast for stoner rock. —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  16:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point, stoner rock has quite a slow rhythm and Tenacious D are fast... yeah, you're right. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 11:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not necessarily true. Stoner rock often changes temp mid-song, slow parts interlude with fast psychedelic tinged solos. Nevertheless, the D don't really fit the genre and afaik, and most importantly, I haven't seen a source classifying the band as such. Johnny w   talk  17:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Genre
Please discuss genres here before editing the article. Many edits have taken place on this, and it is a contentious issue, therefore discussion is advised. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Politics just for Bush-bashing
This whole section reeks of someone's personal attack on George W. Bush via an interview with Jack Black, and is reminiscent of the huge critisism section of Paul W.S. Anderson that used to dominate his page and was filled with similar quotes. I hate Bush as much as any free-thinking individual can, but Wikipedia isn't the place for personal opinions. I'll give it a week, and if no-one comes forward to discuss this further and prove it's worth, I'm getting rid of it and replacing it with something like:"Black is an avid supporter of the democrat party". Even that seems uneccassary though.JackorKnave (talk) 22:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The sentence you propose is not especially relevant to the D. My view of the section is that it is very Black-oriented. If the D have certain political opinions as a group, and those opinions are expressed in the songs (for example, their pro-cannabis stance), then those opinions are relevant to the article. If only Black has these opinions (for example, anti-Iraq war), then they are relevant to his article, but not Tenacious D. Metao (talk) 01:53, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * How about a para dealing with politics and activism. Some could be said about the D's charity work. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 07:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I just meant it needs to be changed so it doesn't come off as an excuse to bash Bush. I think something of their activism should go in, and it's probably okay to state that they don't support Bush, but the quotes, especially the one describing him as "the worst fucking president in the history of time" really sounds like someone just using it so they can personally (however accurately) bad-mouth Bush on Wikipedia. This not liberalpedia or whatever it's called and Wikipedia strives to be as unbiased and encyclopedic as possible. JackorKnave (talk) 16:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree totally. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It appears I cannot edit this page. Is it locked down or what? Why would Tenacious D be edit free?JackorKnave (talk) 20:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ive had a go, tell me what you think. Metao (talk) 01:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Tweaked what you did a bit Metao. The D page is locked for editing by registered users only, so you should still be able to edit. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Still can't edit it, but that doesn't really matter since it looks to me like it's been fixed to be more neutral anyway. Thanks guys! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackorKnave (talk • contribs) 16:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Other pop culture references to Tenacious D
I'd like to add a section about other people who have referenced Tenacious D or their work. Off hand, I can think of one example: in the video game World of Warcraft, a shield called the "Tenacious Defender" is in the game, with the added comment "It has the power to move you." (from the song "Wonderboy"). If you have any others go ahead.
 * None of these will have reliable sources. They are just fancruft anyway. Please sign your posts. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 08:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of articles do have such sections, but I agree it would be hard to source whether or not a particular references is in face meant to be a reference, or is only a coincidence. Metao (talk) 14:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Unable to Edit
There is a spelling mistake: "Kielbasa" disusses anal sex -- should be discusses. I can't fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathewferguson (talk • contribs) 08:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for taking the time to point it out here, dude! Metao (talk) 08:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Important peer review
Please check this out for advice on how to improve this article. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 09:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

New album
Tenacious D announced that their new album will be called "Rock Ain't Easy" at Reading Festival 2008 (I was there watching). Unfortunately, I can't find any proof of this anywhere on the internet. They also said it would be out "by the time we next play here", whatever that means.

- Theafroguy (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Comedy Central
I was up at 3 in the morning. and their hbo series was playing on comedy central. should we note this? Estemshorn (talk) 21:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That depends. Are you notable enough that you being up at 3am is significant? ;) Metao (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

so, it's a no? Estemshorn (talk) 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * if it is being re-run on Comedy Central, that might be worth noting on the page for the series (if it is not noted there already). Metao (talk) 01:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * can i get a source link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estemshorn (talk • contribs) 02:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

History section
I'm wondering if we can restructure this a little... technically, the new DVD and documentary are part of the Pick of Destiny era, although they are currently being listed under the "new album" section. Any ideas? Metao (talk) 06:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Genres, again!
Okay, they are hard rock and even heavy metal on a few songs ("The Metal", "Car Chase City", "Break-In City", "Beelzeboss", for example), but they are largely acoustic and comedy rock. Acoustics and comedy appear in every song of The D, while hard rock and metal appear in only a select few. I say we should order them as follows: Acoustic rock, comedy rock, hard rock. Hmm? Andre666 (talk) 10:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Heavy metal?
Come on, I know this isn't a serious band but since when were the D ever heavy metal? They do have some forms of metal in their arsenal but heavy metal surely isn't it. Maybe alternative metal would be better suited for the mighty D. James25402 (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no way in heck they are heavy metal. Lots of bands are now listed as heavy metal that should be but these guys are two guys who go on stage with accoustic guitars and sing. That is not heavy metal

From the Dictionary: Music Very loud, brash rock music, often with shouted, violent lyrics.

Anyone who has listened to this band would know they do not fit that definition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.159.248.36 (talk) 12:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The live show was not especially metal, originally. The albums, however, are not acoustic rock, and their latest tour had a full band for at least half of the show. Songs like Explosivo, The Metal, Car Chase City... Tenacious D are at least as heavy metal as Metallica. Metao (talk) 04:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That's ridiculous. I like Tenacious D as much as the next guy, but to compare them to Metallica is silly. Yes, Metallica have had a fair few songs lighter than some Tenacious D ones and yes, maybe Tenacious D do belong to a form of metal in enough of their catalogue to list a form of metal, but they clearly are not a conventional heavy metal band. I think we may need some citations if heavy metal is to stay in the infobox, because I'm not convinced. James25402 (talk) 19:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources people! Andre666 (talk) 11:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

fetared artical
what will it take to make this artical a fetaterd artical, I'll help any way I can. regards-- Orange soda  kid  18:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)