Talk:Tennis Masters Series

Brilliant recent improvement in content presentation. Kudos!

Year when "Super 9" series was created
I think this page is an excellent addition to the tennis articles on Wikipedia and is very informative. I presume that the records on this page start from 1990 becuase the was the year that the ATP took over the running of the men's tour from the ITF. However I'm fairly certain that the ATP did not create the "Super 9" series and give these tournaments special status until 1991 or 1992. I'm not 100% certain about this, but if I'm right then info on this page relating to 1990 (and possibly also 1991) is slightly misleading. Zaxem

Winning is all?
The article looks great, but it seems that it is focused solely on those who won tournaments (and runners-up, because, well, they were there). Especially in the part about the records and trivia, there's a lot of stuff pertaining not to winning, but to, for instance, the most participations in a given tournament, or the combination of all nine. Let me give an example of a trivia that I added to the Gustavo Kuerten article: Kuerten is the only non-North American player to have appeared in the finals of all four AMS held in North America (Indian Wells, Miami, Canada and Cincinnati). Of course, he didn't win all four, but still an impressive achievement (and naturally, the other North American players who also managed to reach the final match at least once in every one of the four events should be mentioned in the trivia section of this article). I suppose Andre Agassi would appear in a lot of those AMS-related trivia records ;)... But the bottom line is: it is not all about winning (and who won). And incidentally, you guys do remember that up until 1999 or 2000 (can't quite put my finger on the exact year), the Miami AMS's name mentioned Key Biscayne, it was the Key Biscayne AMS, not Miami, at least in the name. Maybe this should be reflected in the article (particularly in the board header)?  Regards, Redux 16:21, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Tsk Tsk. I think it's a nice roundabout attempt in cooking up an elaborate scheme to get Kuerten's name in here somehow. While winning isn't everything, a trivia about some non-"North American" player making all finals at North America seems extremely contrived. What's so special about being a non-"North American" or what is so special about "North American" Masters series tournaments? There's absolutely nothing inherently worthy in this kind of trivia, especially for an encyclopedia. Additionally, the sheer contrivance of your example trivia about Guga (or, your lack of knowledge in tennis statistics; pick any of the two) is further exposed when we consider the fact that Roger Federer, another non-"North American" player, has not only reached the finals of all "North American" Masters series tournaments, he has actually WON all four of them (Indian Wells & Canada '04, Miami '05, Cincinnati '05), a fact mentioned in this very article. Even more, Federer has also won the OTHER Masters tournament, the year-ending Masters Cup, in Houston, TX, USA. That makes five out of five in North America for Federer. Don't let your fanboyism blind you.