Talk:Termina

Terminian or Terminan?
Does anyone know which of these is the correct term when refering to the Hylian-like inhabitants of Termina? Ian Moody 11:28, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe both are allowed but I would personally go with -an. Some real-world examples: America/American, Armenia/Armenian. --Ntwhz 11:26, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * An inhabitant of Hyrule is a Hyrulian, and a Hylian is of the specific race with long ears, therefore it is more likely that the "humans" are "Terminan" and the inhabitants of Termina as a whole are "Terminian" Setokaiba 19:50, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Setokaiba is correct. A "Terminan" is a human character who resides in Termina while a "Terminian" is a character regardless of race who resides in Termina. However, it is apparently argued that the terms are opposite of what we are assuming. Unless a verifiable source can be provided within the article (which is in desperate need of clean-up), we can only play hit and miss. I'm going to make the changes now. 192.30.202.12 17:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would logically be the other way around, actually, but since neither term is used in-game... -- WikidSmaht (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Stick with the real-world examples unless an official source comes to light. The English language holds very few exceptions to that rule (e.g. a resident of Argentina can either be an Argentine, Argentinean, or Argentinian), but most of them probably follow the other pattern (i.e. a resident of Canada is not a Canadan, but rather a Canadian, etc.). The name of the land is Termina, not Terminia, so it would logically follow (unless otherwise noted or distinguished) that the general name for the inhabitants of the area is Terminans.Cocoapropo 00:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The literal translation of the spanish word termina means "end". So im going to replace that with the reference with "a play on the word terminate".

Bearingbreaker92 17:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

"Unusual" land
How is Termina an "unusual" land? Its topography is different from that of Hyrule, but it otherwise appears as a standard structure featured in the Zelda series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)
 * Does a mountain with snow on it next to a warm ocean and a canyon not strike you as odd? It is completely different to Hyrule, which appears to have a temperate climate. No other land in a LoZ game has such extremes. Setokaiba?? 09:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You're failing to recognize that the distances between are likely shrunk down to make the game playable. Not only that, the snow in Snowhead was actually unnatural (the Goron elder would be unfrozen and instantly refrozen if you left the screen). And even if it was natural (after all it is called Snowhead) most mountain-tops have snow on them. And yes Hyrule does have extremes as well if you don't account for the compression for gameplay (sahara type desert right next to a thick European forest?) Leoroc 23:59, 24 June 2006

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 * I have to agree with the Snowhead region not being natural -or at least entirely natural-, because when you defeat Goht, it becomes "springtime" in the mountain region. Of course, as far as I can discern this does not actually change the seasons; it is already spring.  But the "Curse of Snowhead", if you will, is lifted and the snow melts, as evidence by some unmelted patches in the area.  This remains as such until you go back to the first day.  However, as you pointed out, most high mountians are snow-capped.  So perhaps the evilness abound caused an extended winter. Stovetopcookies 03:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Would it be safe to assume that Termina is a world of its own, and not part of a bigger world? If so, then it may be on a very small planet, perhaps even the size of Pluto (which is STILL a planet, by the way) and would experience greater seasonal/temperature variations.  If that is the case, Hyrule would be more earth-like, and the variation would be more gradual because of its size.Stovetopcookies 21:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

One must understand as well that the land of Termina was drastically changed by the power of the Skull Kid wearing Majora's Mask —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)

Link essentially "crosses over" to reach Termina. It is simply another dimension parallel to Hyrule, nothing more. Let's not forget that other games (most notably Twilight Princess) have environments, even in Hyrule, that are extremes and are close together (though curse-caused they may be). And regardless of the "realism" of any world, would you disagree that Termina is unusual?Cocoapropo 03:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Termina
Is that a play-on-words of "Terminal" i.e. their situation is Terminal. . . --Zeldamaster3 19:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's more from the Latin "terminare", "to end"... Even in Spanish Termina means some forms of the verb "to finish". It looks like a word play because English doesn't retain the "terminare" that much. --User:Revoish 19:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Underground
I find it excellent that ths area is included in the article. Perhaps it could be mentioned that topographically, this area extends to the north, beneath Snow Head perhaps. It also contains the gateway back to Hyrule. Of course, this would be borderlining speculation, and I want to avoid that. Intriguing as this area may be, especially since it is only accessible from one side and only seen in the beginning, the following can be determined:

1.) Entering Clock Tower northward, one must go down the stairs to the left, which wind counter-clockwise and let off facing north. The underground river that powers the waterwheel is therefore flowing east to west, which makes sense because it could be originating from the eastern mountains and letting out in the bay.

2.) The steel door at the far end (north) of the chamber can only be opened from behind. Conceivably, if this door were to be held open, the Terminians could escape through here and take refuge in the caverns to follow, or perhaps even find the gateway back to Hyrule and escape to there.

3.) The stone pillars in the cavern behind the steel door form an arrangement that turns westward. At the end of this chamber is a small tunner that turns leftward again, and so we are now facing south.

4.) After going south a couple of rooms, we arrive at the point where Link fell to in the beginning of the game. If you were somehow able to scale the wall, then conceivably you could pass through the portal and return to Hyrule.  There is no documentation -at least none that I have found- that suggest against the possibility of being able to cross over through the portal the other way.

Stovetopcookies 21:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps this Link never escaped Termina. Hundreds of years later, his tale would be told in The Wind Waker.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 08:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

And it is exceptionally speculative and doesn't belong on here. Sorry.Cocoapropo 03:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Deku Flowers
It seems that since Deku Flowers can be found both outside and in caves, they do not appear to be light-dependant fauna. I wonder what else could be studied from this? Stovetopcookies 03:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * They don't always grow where there is an abundance of water, either. Like on clifftops and around bottomless pits.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 08:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Therfore, what?Cocoapropo 00:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Parallel/Alternate Dimension?
People say this a lot but has it been officially declared as such by Nintendo? Stovetopcookies 01:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Look at their official site. Termina was created when the breath of the goddessess slipped through cracks in timespace, creating the alternate dimension of Termina. (61.91.191.2 23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC))

User:61.91.191.2 speaks the truth. I'm adding that to the article. Jecowa 00:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's a source. Origins of Termina. Scroll down until you see it. It's arranged alphabetically. (61.91.191.9 13:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC))
 * I'm pretty sure the games present a different story - that the four giants created Termina. I'm pretty sure the goddess story is one of those that Zelda.com came up with, and conflicts with the game quotes. Check a text dump, a paragraph about the giants for the full story. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 03:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

If it ain't broke...
Seriously, I'm seeing a lot of unnecessary editing going on, and most of the time it just screws things up in the article that were perfectly fine before. We don't need to know every single little detail about every area in the game (for example: don't talk about piece of heart locations in the Woodfall article).
 * Please sign your posts with 4x ~. Stovetopcookies 18:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Chrono Cross
Termina is also the name of a city in the game Chrono Cross. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.81.5.239 (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

That is most likely a minor coincidence. It also doesn't belong in an article on Wikipedia, except perhaps under a heading of trivia, which is discouraged on Wikipedia.Cocoapropo 00:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Termina and Hyrule connected
I played Majora's Mask using the Game Shark and have the following to report:

It is possible to "moon jump" over the steel door in the bottom of the Clock Tower and walk through the twisted hallway and back into the cavern. This area is normally unaccessible upon initial completion.

In the beginning of the game, after Link falls down the tree trunk, you can moon jump (or rather, float) your way back to the ledge where Link had fallen from. This suggests that if Link had the proper grappling equipment, he may in fact be able to escape back to Hyrule. However, it should be noted that attempting to walk through the hole results in falling into the abyss, because the programmers would have never intended the opening to work two-way.

Of course, I realize that using the Game Shark isn't in keeping with the context of the game's storyline, but it was interesting to explore.

Stovetopcookies 19:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Four Guardians
Weren't the Four Guardians referred to as the four Giants in the game? Or is this referring to something different? Dude902 00:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you're right - they were explicitly named the Four Giants, and the "four guardians" is an OR term - while they are guarding the four regions, their group is never named "The Four Guardians".
 * There is this, though:

W-What exactly are all of you?

"Guardians." Guardians?

So...You're protective gods?

This swamp you are in has lost its guardian deity.
 * but they are called giants by the Terminans, and the legend about them is "Four Giants":

Good...We made it in time. The giants' call worked on the Skull Kid.

I'll pass Carnival of Time (2 hours) Four Giants (Til morning)

For ages, people have worn masks resembling the giants who are the gods of the four worlds.

The Four Giants, is it?

"The Four Giants." This tale's from long ago when all the people weren't separated into four worlds like they are now. In those times all the people lived together, and the four giants lived among them.

On the day of the festival that celebrates the harvest, the giants spoke to the people...

"We have chosen to guard the people while we sleep..."

"100 steps north, 100 steps south, 100 steps east, 100 steps west." "If you have need, call us in a loud voice by declaring something such as, 'The mountain blizzard has trapped us.'" "Or 'The ocean is about to swallow us.' Your cries shall carry to us..."

Now then...There was one who was shocked and saddened by all this.

A little imp.

The imp was a friend of '''the giants''' since before they had created the four worlds.

"Why must you leave?" "Why do you not stay?"

The childhood friend felt neglected, so he spread his anger across the four worlds. Repeatedly, he wronged all people. Overwhelmed with misfortune, the people sang the song of prayer to the giants who lived in each of the four compass directions. The giants heard their cry and responded with a roar. "Oh, imp. Oh, imp. We are the protectors of the people." "You have caused the people pain. Oh, imp, leave these four worlds! Otherwise, we shall tear you apart!" The imp was frightened and saddened. He had lost his old friends. The imp returned to the heavens, and harmony was restored to the four worlds.

And the people rejoiced and they worshiped the giants of the four worlds like gods. And they lived happily...ever after...

What did the people do to call '''the giants'''? Sing a song I dunno

Once again, the Giants are looking out for me! KrytenKoro 09:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge to the main article
This article should be merged (or maybe just redirected), because I'd recommend that it be transwikied if you want to save the information. --ZXCVBNM 16:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) It's the plot summary of *one* Zelda game, and is not nearly as notable as Hyrule
 * 2) It's unreferenced and doesn't have any information beyond what is in the game - because it is a plot summary
 * 3) If you read this section in WP:NOT you will see that this type of article isn't allowed.
 * It's actually a "World of" article, not a plot summary - since there shouldn't be any plot info here, really, feel free to remove it, or convert it to actual info.
 * It's supposed to be the mirror world of Hyrule - if it absolutely needs to be merged, make it a subsection on the Hyrule page, as they are closely related.
 * It's not an indiscriminate collection - it discusses the geography, mythology, and population of a world. If it was truly a list, it would look like this. Or hell, one of the "List of characters" articles.
 * Most of the references can be taken from in-game quotes, the official zelda-pedia, and possibly from news articles (we'd have to search for them, though) - instead of deleting the page, how about you put a notice on the project page and the top of this article that it needs to be better cited - we are currently adding citing to a lot of other articles, so pretty much the only reason this is missing cites is that we haven't gotten to it yet. We'd be happy to fix the problem, if you would ask us to.KrytenKoro 18:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't merge it. It's a good article and there's no reason to delete good articles with a lot of information. Knowitall 06:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

All of the above, and let's face it: this article is very large, and would fit into the main article awkwardly at best. There are plenty of articles that point references to it, not just the main or closely related articles. This article may contain minimal plot points or game information, but hopefully only where/if necessary. It seems like the general consensus that this article be neither merged nor moved nor deleted, so I'm going to remove the merge template.Cocoapropo 04:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Moon?
Is there an actual name given in the game for the final area? The NP guide calls it "Heart of Darkness", but I'm not sure if that isn't just them being poetic. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 21:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

If there's nothing in the game, Nintendo Power is considered an "official source", and therefore a perfectly legitimate source of info. When citing such info, you might say something like "Nintendo power calls this area the 'Heart of Darkness', even though no name is given in the game." and give it a proper citation.Cocoapropo 01:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the thing - it doesn't actually say "when you enter the Heart of Darkness"; it just has that as the title for the section on beating Majora. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, it may just be the portion of the moon or the final battle that's being described, but again, if you feel that way about it, and you feel it's significant, add it in.Cocoapropo 01:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Existence
Wait, since Termina was created by accident, does that mean that Termina, philosophically speaking, was never supposed to exist? Leader Vladimir —Preceding comment was added at 16:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In-game, the giants are given credit for its purposeful creation.

"The imp was a friend of the giants since before they had created the four worlds."

and "He had lost his old friends. The imp returned to the heavens, and harmony was restored to the four worlds."

I suppose it could be argued that the "accidental creation" was that they created the giants in Hyrule, and the giants created Termina - this might make sense, given that Hyrule, where the Imp went, is considered "the heavens" to Termina. Which would also make Hyrule not a parallel dimension to Termina, but higher up on the hierarchy to Nirvana - so the resemblences are just due to reincarnation or summat. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 15:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)