Talk:Terminator (character concept)

Missing Model
What should be done about the future Terminator model portrayed by Franco Columbu in the "future flashback" dream of Kyle Reese in the first movie? If we follow the Cameron use nomenclature, it would be presumably to be an 800/850 series (same or similar endoskeleton structure) with a different model number (i.e. looks like Franco Columbu not Schwarzenegger). So what should we do? Lestatdelc (talk) 04:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Additional Models
Would it be a good idea to cover terminator models from the expanded universe, like the T-70 from T2 3D and the I-950 from T2: Infiltrator? Soon, we'll be adding at least two more terminator models, the Summer Glau fast attack boat and the Owain Yeoman heavy gun ship. ColdFusion650 02:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not? CABAL 12:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added the two new Terminator models from The Sarah Conner Chronicles this morning since the show is out in the wild now. Joe McCullough | (talk) 19:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I am noticing folk adding the various models of the Terminators without bothering to cite them. This isn't going to work. We cannot include the model numbers without citation, as there is too much difference with fans, and we should seek to avoid the inevitable edit war. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  05:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

They haven't said what models they are. We don't include them. Simple really. One exception is if you would like to use my nicknames from the first post in this discussion. ColdFusion650 (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you've described them in that way. Is it possible that Terminators are designed with "class" in mind? They're supposed to infiltrate and then destroy. The TX and Cameron are both small, nimble and wily, yet are seemingly more dangerous than any of the "Heavier" types.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tapok (talk • contribs) 20:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added no-wiki instructions to the effect that uncited model numbers will get reverted, so don't waste your time. I would have liked to add something about botch-slapping the repeat offenders, but I think that would be too much. I am sure ColdFusion sure felt like working the slapping machine, though. Good job at keeping the wolf at bay, CF!. :) - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  19:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the people who are doing it are anonymous editors. That means that they are probably unaware of the rules for inclusion, and just think that we can take their word for it. They also probably don't check the edit summaries to see that it has been removed several times and think that they are geniuses who know more about the show than we do. It's not really malicious, so I don't mind. ColdFusion650 (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

What is the deal with the question marks? Cameron is a TOK715 according to Fox. Fox makes the series. Period. http://www.fox.com/terminator/images/posters/large/TSCC_21_lg.jpg. Stop screwing around and get it straight. I'm not going to do it myself because I see it's in a pointless god complex war. Kubrick114 (talk) 18:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Useful source

 * Popular Mechanics compares Terminators ~ZytheTalk to me! 11:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

T-600
I updated this row and also fixed the columns in the table to be straight, hope no one minds. Also, there is a picture of a T-600 on fox's website if anyone wants to deal with the fair use rational stuff.Kennstinson (talk) 20:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You kinda need to deal with that fair use rationale stuff before you add it, Kennstinson.See my comments below regading seeking consensus before editing in significant changes to the article. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason I didn't add it is because I haven't dealt with the fair use stuffKennstinson (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick one guys, I dont know much about updating wikipedia, but I thought someone might want to add a pic of the t-600 series. I believe this series can be seen in the Sarah Connor Chronicles episode entitled Dungeons & Dragons. In the future, Derek Reese is captured and rides in a prisoner transport vehicle accompanied by a terminator with obviously rubber like skin. It has also sustained heavy damage to that part of its skin visable, as well as wearing rubber gloves, or having rubber like skin on its hands. This terminator is later seen a gain in the place where the prisoners are kept chained to the floor. This terminator fits with Kyle Reece's description of them from the first movie, and it also makes sense that these terminators, deemed ineffectual at masquerading as humans, would be re-employed in roles where that would not be required, such as prison guards. It would also explain why such a large level of damage to the terminators features would not require repair or "healing". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.35.120 (talk) 11:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

T-888
I was just trying to point out that Cromartie is not the only T-888. If you disagree, feel free to edit. But at least leave the columns straight.Kennstinson (talk) 17:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to seek consensus to do that, my friend. And Cromartie's worn more than just a few disguises and at least two faces thus far. I am not saying he's the only one, but you need to verify that all of the others are in fact T-888's, since we only know that Cromartie and the one following Reese's brother are T-888s (because we have been specifically told that). - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Uh, OK, What's people's consensus on this?Kennstinson (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We have a source for Cromartie being a T-888. We have a source for that bald terminator that Cameron killed being a T-888. All others are not proven. ColdFusion650 (talk) 23:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Terminators not listed

 * T-800 something from Kyle's flashback in T1
 * T-888 Carter with Coltan
 * T-888 Vick Chamberlain who developed the LA Traffic Control System
 * dream Terminator of Sarah Connor's in T:TSCC
 * combat chassises from T2 future scenes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.84.89 (talk) 08:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Future Terminator (as it is called in the credits), Carter, and Vick (who did not develop a traffic control system) are relatively minor characters. We know nothing about the Future Terminator or Carter, and the only thing we know about Vick is that he is a T-888. The Terminator from Sarah's dream does not exist. It was a dream. The endoskeletons from future scenes are incredibly minor characters. We know absolutely nothing about them except that they are terminators. They really don't deserve a place on the page. ColdFusion650 (talk) 14:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

At the end of the Salvation trailer, there's this machine that comes out of the ground and attacks John Conner. You guys think we should add this? Luc69 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We have no idea what it is, except that it's a Terminator. We wouldn't put up the giant arm that grabs that guy either. There just isn't enough info. This is for featured terminators, and we don't know how much time will be devoted to these models. ColdFusion650 (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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T-500
The T-500 first appeared in the terminator:Dawn of fate video game as a killer robot soldier of Skynet's earlier design.

Charateristics Design
The T-500 series are combat automaton's with an endoskeleton-like figure that will soon become the precursor of the the true endoskeleton design for future series/models.The T-500 are not the only humanoid automatons of Skynet's machine's,There are the T-70 and T-400 that have endo skeleton figure's.But these machine's that can still be seen in combat against Tech-Com resistance fighters.

Description
T-500's have an combat unit upgrade currently servening as Skynet's preferred ground infantry soldier and ground unit.An armored battle chassis makes it far more durable.They are easier to build and create so it can be deployed faster and easier from other deadlier machine's.They are the predicessor's of the cyborg/cybot series that includes the T-600,T-800/850 MODEL 101,T-888,T-900.Enhanced with weapons are synched with acquisition and advanced AI for a highly dangerous.

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Other types of terminators such as the Kraken?
Hi, in the series there are references to other types of terminators. such as in episode 18 of season 2 the Submarine is attacked by a "Skynet attack submersible designation: Kraken". and there are several information about that type. shouldn't they also be listed somewhere? maybe as "none human terminators" ? right that could lead to the problem that the t-1 isn't really a human one. but there are also these motorcycles in the new movie and feveral flying models that can be seen in the series and movies. - cu AssetBurned (talk) 04:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

What about other Skynet units, like the Hunter Killers, Aquabots, Gathererers, and so on.
What Wiki didn't create pages for them?

T-800/850/101
It doesn't make sense to categorise this series of terminator with the title "101". 101 is simply the model number of the T-800 that appears in the first three films. It does not apply to the actual design of the machine; simply what it looks like. Another T-800 appears in one of Reeses flashback, which has a different appearance and (presumably) model number. Unless there's evidence to suggest the title 101 refers to a varible in the machines design, I'm removing it to avoid confusion. --Dark_Wolf101 16:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

T-1000
Don't forget the T-1000, you've got the T-1001, but not the preceding model 121.223.29.211 (talk) 02:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The Opening Section Is Wrong
The intro claims the following:

"James Cameron introduced the first terminator character in the 1984 movie The Terminator, featuring a single cyborg simply called "The Terminator", portrayed by Arnold Schwarzenegger. When later Terminator movies introduced additional models, some sources retroactively gave Schwarzenegger's character a model number, leading to multiple conflicting names."

This is inaccurate. The first film featured two (different) terminators. The central character, portrayed by Schwarzenegger, was one of these two terminators. The other is shown in the 'dream' sequence (or flashback) of Kyle Reese - where a terminator enters a resistance base and starts shooting everyone. This second terminator was portrayed by Franco Columbo (and is credited in the end titles as a 'Terminator').

So, there was NOT a single cyborg featured in the first terminator movie. Additionally, the name (or designation) of the "Arnold" terminator is given - in the first film - as a T-800 (or 800 series) Cyberdyne Systems Model 101. Other "types" of terminator are referred to, namely both 600 and 700 series terminators. Reference to these other "types" of terminator can be found in the first film and its related texts (screenplay and tie-in novel) - sources which were released around the same time. As such, it is wrong to suggest that these other "types" of terminator were only named 'retroactively' because of later films.

Since this article is about the concept / character of "Terminator(s)" generally, is sould be a legitimate way to proceed via referencing such sources as screenplays, novels, etc. These wider sources show that the opening section is clearly wrong. Please discuss this - and, if in agreement, I'll change the article. Simon P Blackburn (talk) 22:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

T-700
No mention is made of the T-700, which appears in Terminator Salvation (when John, Kyle and Star fall into the Terminator factory and we see a side shot of an endo skull, that is a T-700 although John misidentifies it as a T-800), and is identified in the Movie Companion and Playmates toyline. I thought I'd point that out. ggctuk (2005) (talk) 17:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In the DVD extra, one of the staff refer the Terminator in the factory is the T-700. It is unknown whether this factor is changed or not since Connor refers Terminators in the factory are T-800. -- TX55   TALK  09:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

T-130
There is clear vandalism in the table of Models: T-130

* cable controlled drill that rescued chilean miners in october 2010 in order to gain humanity's trust

* worlwide news networks * the internets and blagospheres

86.137.26.108 (talk) 04:55, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

"Terminator" or "terminator"
When referring to the robot, is it proper to use "Terminator" or "terminator"? The article uses both - could we be internally consistent? GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that the movie titles and Arnold's character should use upper case, while generic robots should use lower case. GoingBatty (talk) 15:29, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Coltan?
The article says that Cameron claims that terminators are constructed of coltan for heat resistance. I haven't really paid much attention to the television series, but that statement does not make much sense. Coltan is a raw ore, for one, and it's a dull black color, for another - terminators look chromed when the exoskeleton is exposed. Coltan is processed to yield niobium and tantalum; tantalum is nearly impervious to acid and niobium has a high melting point. Although tantalum carbide is extremely hard, it's a brown powder, not a shiny metal. I don't think either one would make a very good "hyperalloy." Atypicaloracle (talk) 13:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Word
In the sentence "The T-X model is covered by the mimetic poly-alloy, providing it the ability to mimic humanoid forms while enforcing the endoskeleton beneath." The word "enforcing" doesn't make sense. It might should be enclosing. I'm not sure what to do when I see something wrong but I'm not sure of how to right it. Chuck Baggett (talk) 06:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe "reinforcing"? GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

T-900
T-900 Summer Glau (Cameron[19] / TOK715)

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines wtf ? Summer Glau was only in the TV-series not in T3. Either a vandalism,missplace.. I suggest immediate removal. Terminator 3: Before the Rise Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Terminator 3: War of the Machines Terminator 3: The Redemption — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.69.93.11 (talk) 22:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Terminator (character concept) vs Terminator (character)
I find it hard to discern what makes this article be separate from Terminator (character). In fact, I tend to think it should be merged into it. --uKER (talk) 15:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 5 February 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Please take WP:SINGULAR into account in the case of any new move requests. Dekimasu よ! 20:16, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Terminator (character concept) → Terminator robots – The disambiguation (character concept) is misleading since not all of the Terminator robots are "characters". It is better off described as a series of robots, hence "Terminator robots". Terminator (series of robots) is another possible disambiguation. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:28, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there any evidence that they are actually called Terminator robots?--72.0.200.133 (talk) 16:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * They are called Terminators, and they are robots. Otherwise it would be "Terminator Robots".ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:11, 5 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Leave as is needs to make clear that it is a fictional concept, which the current title does. And it is primarily a character concept, that's how it started. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose only because new title isn't a strong improvement. Usually for fictional elements, we'd put the series/franchise name as the disambiguator but Terminator (Terminator) doesn't sound right either.  Could we get away under WP:PLURAL using just simply Terminators? -- Netoholic @  09:28, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It could be Terminator (robots in Terminator franchise) per the precedent of the Alien (creature in Alien franchise) article.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Why not Terminator (killer robot)? That is what it says in the opening sentence. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That is a singular disambiguation. It is about the Terminator line of robots, so it has to specify it is a series or model of robots rather than just one robot.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:40, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So Terminators ? -- Netoholic @ 13:00, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not a singular definition any more than science fiction film is. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:21, 7 February 2018 (UTC)


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