Talk:Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines

Living off the grid
Polisher of Cobwebs: I referred to the ref you gave re your reversion of my edit. I did read WP:EGG; still don't understand your reversion. I was puzzled by the ref to power lines and thought the redirect was an improvement. I never heard of all those disamb defs until today. Maybe I missed something in the movie?1archie99 (talk) 15:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The correct term (and link) here is off-the-grid, not simple living. "Off-the-grid" in this context refers to the communications network/internet/etc. It is not synonymous with "simple living", which has to do with reducing one's possessions and living self-sufficiently. John Connor is riding around on a motorcycle in the opening scene, for pete's sake. The context in which he uses "off-the-grid" in this scene means keeping his identity hidden and avoiding leaving any electronic fingerprints through which Skynet could track him. It does not mean living like Gandhi or the Amish for philosophical reasons. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyediting
I have accepted your request to copyedit this article. I will keep you posted. David Thibault (talk) 22:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Copyediting Queries
I have completed the copyedit of this article.

Lead
I cleaned up the lead and broke it up into two separate paragraphs.

Plot
I cleaned up the plot section and made it more concise. Here are a few spots where I made a change that you may or may not want:

The Terminator reveals that John and his mother's actions merely delayed Judgement Day, and that his plan [is] to drive John and Kate to Mexico to escape the fallout when Judgment Day begins at 6:18 p.m. that day.
 * I added “is” to the following sentence (third paragraph of plot section). Okay?

John orders the Terminator to take Kate and him to see Kate's father, a Lieutenant General who is supervising the building of Skynet after Cyberdyne Systems went defunct as an attempt to destroy Skynet's core, and threatens to kill himself if the Terminator refuses. Possible revision (but only if the facts are true): John orders the Terminator to take Kate and him to see Kate's father, a Lieutenant General who is supervising the building of Skynet after Cyberdyne Systems went defunct. John wants to attempt to destroy Skynet's core. He threatens to kill himself if the Terminator refuses.
 * I deleted the following phrase (third paragraph of plot section), indicated in red text, because it wasn’t clear who was attempting to destroy Skynet’s core (John Connor? Cyberdyne Systems?). I think you may mean John Connor. I’ve included a possible revision below.

Meanwhile, at an Air Force base, General Brewster faces pressure from the President's administration to activate Skynet to stop an anomalous computer virus of unknown origin from infecting data processing and communication networks worldwide; he is unaware that the virus is actually Skynet establishing control over them.
 * I reworded some of the following sentence (fourth paragraph of plot section). Does it look okay? The ending may need to be rewritten—it’s not clear who the pronoun “them” refers to (the people of the world? the computer networks?)

'''The Terminator, unable to control his outer functions but still consciously aware, attacks John and Kate before John convinces it to reject the T-X's control. The Terminator deliberately shuts its corrupted system down, enabling John and Kate to escape. Shortly after they leave, the Terminator's system reboots.'''
 * I reworded the following sentence for clarity (fourth paragraph of plot section). Is it okay? Does the Terminator shut itself down, or does John do it? The original text was ambiguous but it looked like you meant it was the Terminator who did it.

The Terminator holds the bunker open long enough for John and Kate to lock themselves inside, then uses one of its hydrogen fuel cells to destroy both itself and the T-X. It's not clear what the Terminator is holding open. The bunker "door"?
 * This sentence (fifth paragraph of plot section) may need to be reworded:

Cast
I copyedited the text in the cast section, and also reformatted it so its style is consistent with the Terminator 2 article cast section. I recommend adding additional information about who the cast members are, and a brief desciption of the character. At the present, some of the listings (Nich Stahl and Kristanna Loken for example) don’t provide much information about the cast member or character.

Production
There is a lot of information about the development of the film, but it may help to have additional information about the filming of the movie, such as filming locations. Were there any interesting special effects employed in the film?

Here are a couple of spots that may need attention:

In 1997, Terminator 2: Judgment Day developer Carolco Pictures went bankrupt, and its assets were bound to a liquidation auction. I have left the sentence as it is and will let you determine whether it needs further attention.
 * The word “bound” in this sentence (first paragraph of production section) can be read two ways. Were the assets “part” of a liquidation auction, or were they “destined” or “intended to go” to a liquidation auction?

Cameron and 20th Century Fox had some interest, even arranging meetings with Hurd regarding her share and actor Arnold Schwarzenegger returning in the starring role. I have left the sentence as it is and will let you determine whether it needs further attention.
 * This sentence may need to be revised. (Did they meet with Hurd to discuss her share and the possibility of Schwarzenegger returning? Or did they also meet with Schwarzenegger to talk with him about returning?)

Reception
This section is still quite small. It could be improved by adding some more quotes from other critics. Also, did the film receive any awards? This could be turned into another section in the article.

This is a great article. Thank you for allowing me to help you improve it. I am available for further consultation if you require it. David Thibault (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Year
Does the film establish the date? An IP has changed the year from 2003 to 2004 and removed the hidden note. If the film itself does not provide an explicit date then the plot summary should not state one. Betty Logan (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I noticed you reverted this latest change. I have also been doing this but I decided not to this time after reading this FAQ at IMDB which implies that the 2004 date is referenced in the film. Ideally we need somebody familiar with the film or who has a copy to check this out. Obviously if a date appears in the film we should go with it and I question supplying a date at all if one is not explicitly given in the film. Betty Logan (talk) 22:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry about that. I actually have a copy of the film, though I haven't watched it in quite awhile. Hrm. Unfortunate that the FAQ mentions how to locate the year but doesn't provide a timestamp. I could maybe rewatch the film this weekend (or at least skim it). Let me know if you think that would be a worthwhile endeavor. I'm not sure how I feel about not providing a date explicitly from the film if one really is provided elsewhere. That said, the IP should still be discussing here instead of simply editing out the comment. DonIago (talk) 15:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't recall an exact date being explicitly mentioned. There is an early scene in which the Terminator looks at a wristwatch and from his point of view, we see years rapidly counting down from 2033 to the present date. It's a brief shot that goes by quickly. Just before the film cuts to the next shot, the final date that shows up onscreen appears to be July 24, 2004 (this was also mentioned in a previous discussion). Otherwise, I don't recall the date being clearly established, so I don't know if it's worth mentioning in the plot. The film does specify that it takes place 10 years after the events of the second film (which was either 1994 or 1995), so maybe just say in the plot section that it is set "10 years" after that movie. Or maybe at least include a note that specifies where the 2004 date appears in the film. For what it might be worth, the film's 2004 date contradicts with Terminator 3: The Redemption, which does indeed give a date of July 23, 2003. AJFU  (talk) 22:41, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I recently saw the film again, and I made this edit to match what is explicitly stated in the film, but these changes were mostly reversed with this edit. The 2004 date appears in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot that is only visible by freeze-framing it. Otherwise, the film makes no explicit mention of when it takes place, other than being set 10 years after Terminator 2. The August 29 date is from the previous movie but is not mentioned in this film, and I think it's unimportant anyways as that date ended up having no significance following the events of Terminator 2. I think "1997" should suffice here. The novelization of the film is set in July 2003. According to the novel Terminator Salvation: Cold War, Judgment Day occurred on July 25, 2003. Maybe a note could be added in the plot section to mention the July 2003 date according to official Terminator media, while also mentioning that the film itself does not give a date. AJFU (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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