Talk:Terrell Owens/Archive 1

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Stats
The "profootballreference" and "databasefootball" links should be removed because they are not official and this is not appropriate advertising for those sites, the only other official site for terrell owens statistics besides ESPN.com is here http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1290 71.87.7.14 06:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * WP allows Pages to use those links because they are non-commercial. --ShadowJester07 12:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

what happened to the 2005-06 season?
as of now, in the timeline, there is a mention of the training camp prior to the season, and his being cut from the Philadelphia Eagles, but no mention of the 2005 season, his being deactivated, or what led up to that. maybe someone can fix this? If this problem is not fixed, his reputation will continue heading in the wrong direction.

Also, there should be a mention of his newly published book that was probably ghostwritten...


 * Someone deleted a lot of text about it without reason. I restored it.ErikNY 17:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Images
What happened to all the images? Don't tell me it's that ludicrous policy of "if the copyright owner doesen't contact us and verify that he/they does/do in fact own it, than it's illegal to use!" bullshit. 71.10.17.198 10:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree--that policy is single-handedly holding back wikipedia. It's a fucking joke. Is there such a fucking thing as an acceptable image? Even fucking images that I create myself have been deleted from entries I've made. It's a fucking disgrace...change it, wikipedia. - unsigned

I agree with both of you, it's a ridiculous policy. It is the sole responsibility of the copyright owner to protect his work. Wikipedia however is never going to change that policy, there are too many people looking for a reason to shut this site down for stuffing the internet full of bullshit and nearly making true factual information impossible to find. A copyrighted image being displayed on one of these pages could help to serve that agenda. Wikipedia is not a information resource headquarters, it's myspace for nerds. To think of all the truly factual information I used to contribute to this site that got removed by popular opinion... It's why any good school (roughly 95% of public and private) will not allow you to cite wikipedia. Just enjoy the place for one thing, it's what wikipedia truly is (and eventualy must admit) - a place where you can come to determine what the majority of people think about this or that. 71.10.17.28 16:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Rap Diss
I dont know why that was deleted. It was some good stuff.

-Yeah, I think there should be an option to read the lyrics included. It's another milestone for him, although the rap thing has been done by so many athletes now it's no longer even close to "groundbreaking."--JT

Confusion
"The day before the Eagles lost to the Dallas Cowboys at Home; 21-20 on October 14, 2005, Terrell Owens did not appologize to Ashton Kutcher after Kutcher read a apology letter written by T.O. on MTV's Punk'd. " This is missing information, I don't know what exactly is trying to be said here or what exactly it may be missing. Could the person who wrote it please clarify this?


 * What was Ashton Kutcher's controversy with T.O. and was it relevant enough to be in this article?
 * What would he be apologizing for? I.E. what happened.

If this was just some practical joke on that particular TV show then I don't see its relevancy to this article. Mithotyn 00:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Be bold and get rid of it. :-) However, I think this article needs some clean up. The Punk'd paragraph is a blemish but the whole biography and stats are so unorganized. --J. Nguyen 02:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Firstly I didn't know if the person who wrote it may have known something I didn't but failed to express it properly on his first try and secondly what do you mean by the stats being unorganized? the notables? or the year by year stats? or the way they are sectioned apart? the year by year stats were tore down and re-done on a collective effort by me and Gherald and I think they're perfect, I'm preaching the new coding style and layout to be used as a new standard. Mithotyn 06:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

"Controversially" deactivated
While I don't feel strongly enough about this to add it back, I don't see how saying Owens was "controversially" deactivated makes it POV; that's not implying that the decision was right or wrong, it's just saying it was controversial, which it no doubt was. Maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see the point in editing that. BMetts 20:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't especially care either way either, but who was it controversial to? Owens, his agent, and his union? The rest of the world kind of just reported on the fiasco, and no one with the exception of Michael Irvin tried to defend him. I don't think it was so much controversial as it was just on ESPN all day every day. But as I said, I don't especially care either way.Tommstein 01:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Owens' time as a 49er
Someone needs to put in more about Owens time as a 49er. For example, "The Catch II" is an indelible part of football lore.

Quotes
First off, I added a Fact next to the recently added 40-yard dash record claim. If someone can verify this, it will stay. Secondly, is there really a point in having a 'Quotes' section? There's really no way to verify them, and somebody could easily make one up at will. BMetts 02:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Dumb Picture
That picture of Terrell Owens stamping on the star that was edited to show T.O. wearing a cowboys uniform was deleted. That picture isn't real, so shouldn't be there anyways, plus is actually offensive to Cowboys fans, even with the new colors. The star is a symbol to represent many and not one.


 * Do you mean that that particular image of the event wasn't real, or that the event did not happen? I have seen footage on ESPN of Owens running onto the star and striking a messiah-like pose. shoez 00:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The event happened (sort of), but the image isn't real. Someone edited the colors of the uniform from 49ers to Cowboys. He ran onto the star as you saw on ESPN as a 49er. That picture showed him as a cowboy. He hasn't even played a game for them yet.

Rap Song
Lets not make a mention of Terrells Rap song in this article. It really isn't a big deal and can be interpreted many ways. I honestly see it as something that looks bad for him.Hes not a hustler he is a hard working athalete sike. The song is just about him getting money. He really only disses the pundits that said he would be signed cheap. I think this shows that he signed quickly with the Cowboys because of their offer, before thinking if he could actually be happy there with Bledsoe and the style of offense the cowboys employ.

Like I said, since it really isn't a big deal to begin with, there is no point of putting it in here.

Pro TO Vandalism
It appears that a lot has been removed to favor TO. He has been causing trouble in Dallas already by faking a hamstring injury and Parcells is ready to blow up, yet this was taken out, in addition to him not showing up for the daycamp he was running, and also the incident where he wore the opposing teams jersey to the mavericks championship game.
 * See WP:LIVING --ShadowJester07 01:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

ShadowJester, I didnt see the original text you mention, but information regarding him "faking" a hamstring injury and Parcells being ready to blow up would be incorrect and unsourceable, since neither of those things were confirmed by anyone credible. Both ideas were in the media and blogged, but they were denied by all participants. --MCRemix 14:37 CDT, 27 Sep 2006

SHAWDOWJESTER
Dude, why are you deleting the More Controversey section. This is an encyclopedia...right? So why are you deleting what happened. The POV is fair. If you think it is not change the parts that are not. But don't delete the entire section. That is an integral part of this persons life. IT HAS TO BE THERE. Its like a biography of Lincoln w/o the civil war.


 * Eh, POV may be proper, but are there proper sources sources? :p Please take time to read WP:LIVING. :) If you can find sources, feel free to add it in. Usually, Radio Blurbs do not count. --ShadowJester07 03:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

There are sources there already, and the radio blurbs did happen. and he does say the same things in his new book. the POV is proper and sources are accurate. This fully complies with WP:LIVING.

In addition, I am deleting the Desperate Housewives section. It is just not needed or a big deal. I'll keep a small mention of it under the trivia section.

Rather than adding it with his Professional Career, I think we should just make a "Controversy" section. After reviewing the The "2005 Controversy" section, you can re-add it; although another Wikipedian may delete it again for reseason I'm not sure of. --ShadowJester07 03:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with adding a controvery section and please do it if you like. Right now, I think everything is okay.

Just to recap, I deleted the desperate houswife section, re-added the More 2005 Controversey section (with edits to establish proper POV), and also expanded on current dallas situation and controversy (with sources)

before anybody deletes or adds anything, lets discuss it first. I don't want to come back later and un-delete everything.

Intro Section
I propose removing the info about Owens' being deactivated from the intro. This is a (somewhat) current event, and is important to the article, but seems out of place here. The intro should give a brief overview of this person's life, similar to other biographical entries. Owens' is more widely known for his controversial actions than for any one specific episode. We should rework the paragraph to reflect that and save the specific incidents for later in the article. I'll wait for additional input before changing. CPitt76 01:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * sounds good, holmes. do it. 81.197.12.246 18:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality in 'More 2005 Controversy'
This section is riddled with unsourced statements and blatantly non-NPOV statements, such as claiming the Cowboys are the "most despised team" in Philidelphia. Can someone with better knowledge than I possess do something about this? Diagonalfish 17:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hence why there is a clean-up tag on the article. ;) --ShadowJester07 00:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

TO dead?
The article claims that TO died today (9-27-2006). I just saw Terrell Owens on a live press conference an hour ago, and he seemed quite alive to me.
 * TO is alive. Someone was probably trying to be facetious. --ShadowJester07 00:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

What kind of line is this?

"Obviously, nobody thinks this needs to be elaborated on because everybody knows what the pre-game ritual of Ray Lewis is, right?"

Jasonn 02:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong College?
His college was listed as University of Texas at El Paso. But I changed it to University of Tennessee at Chattanooga since I'm pretty sure that's where he went.

29 September 2006

College: Chattanooga according to NFL.com, good catch. JBKramer 20:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC) I noticed this too. For some reason it still says UTEP.

Pictures and Book Section
I think we should add some more pictures to this article. Also I was wondering if maybe we should put a section on Owens' two books. The first is mentioned in the article, but his second one is only briefly referred to.

Thoughts??


 * It's somewhat difficult to find fair use photos of Terrel Owens, since most of his action shots are under a strict NFL copy right. --ShadowJester07 21:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Unnecessary deletion
The following well-sourced information was rudely deleted. There would have been no harm in leaving this information until the game mentioned in the information occured: "Though the Cowboys have won the last 2 games against the Eagles, the offense of the Eagles is ranked #1 in the NFL ; the match is predicted to be a close game ." Advice to the editor: try postively contributing instead of deleting; it's more helpful to Wikipedia.
 * WP is neither a News Desk nor a sport's magazine. --ShadowJester07 02:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is neither a single user's district of authority nor a place for insulting comments. --- Tvwatcher

Problems
How come when you click on the controversy links in the Dallas Cowboys section, it goes to the top of page and not to the controversy links.
 * I probably forgot to update the Link's path once we changed the name of the overdose section, Sorry. --ShadowJester07 23:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The Quote
Dude, it is relevant and it doesn't come out of nowhere. You know his history with his quaterbacks and his insulting remarks about them. It fits in wit the article. he said it right after the eagles boys game. Stop deleting dude. And also, STOP SAYING UR GAY AND PUTTING HEADLINE TEXTS. Damn ShadowJester, congratulations for being gay, now stop writing it on this article. And this is a NPOV article. The intepretation is from the reader. The structure is good and is the quote is relevant. Stop deleting and follow WP guidelines for PETE's SAKE
 * == Adding Random Quotes ==

Would like to explain why Owens' remarks to Beldsoe posses enough significance to make a cameo in this article? Before venturing any further, have you even read WP:BLP or WP:MOS? Honestly, adding the comment would be the equivalent to adding Owens' remarks about religion in the "leaving Philly Section". Furthermore, the quote comes out of nowhere, you cant just add quotes out of the blue; this is not a grade school paper. And on top of that, was there proper interpretation of the quote? I guess this goes to show someone botched the American Education System, thanks for proving my Psychology Thesis --ShadowJester07 01:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Why do you think the quote is random? Before we go on any further, do you know anything about Terrell Owens at all? If you don't, he has a history of making disparaging remarks about his quaterbacks. This is him doing it again. And if you feel there isn't proper indention, then fix it so their is.


 * What I'm saying is that if your going to make a claim like that, you have to mention TO's QB History. WP demands Articles be written for a general audience, as opposed to just NFL fans. --ShadowJester07 01:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it is mentioned. In this article, it says he had problems with Garcia and called him gay. Also, it talks about his McNabb problems. SO...what r u talking about??? And its not a claim, just a quote that is sourced.


 * I updated it, it would make more sense if you claim how the indecent remark relates to his past. --ShadowJester07 01:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree in expanding it a bit. But what you wrote didn't make sense

^You, sir, are a COMPLETE idiot. He has not made one negative remark about Bledsoe. If anyone ever gets the chance, please read the transcript of his most recent interview where he does nothing but support him and tip-toe around any issues of placing any blame on the QB.


 * Hmmm, Perhaps this relates to my idea of interpreting the true meaning of the quote

However, there's no reason to be so "coarse" about it ;) --ShadowJester07 22:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

"^You, sir, are a COMPLETE idiot. He has not made one negative remark about Bledsoe. If anyone ever gets the chance, please read the transcript of his most recent interview where he does nothing but support him and tip-toe around any issues of placing any blame on the QB."

Funny stuff, I read the interview and yes it is negative and yes, it is a shot at Bledsoe. Got that dumbass (Terrell??) You're probably the same type of idiot who says "i'm not the one who got tired at the superbowl" as not a shot at McNabb. Gimme a fucking break.

UTC
Please stop removing the abbreviation "UTC" from the final sentence of the first paragraph of the "Early life" section. The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga is abbreviated UTC. The institution's Wikipedia article says so. As a UT alumnus, I say so. And I'm positive that even the briefest search would turn up more than enough additional evidence to support this contention. It's not even contentious! Further, the abbreviation is used in the very next sentence'. Before you use an abbreviation, you must define it. So please stop removing this and labeling it vandalism. It's not funny and it's not helpful. --(a frustrated) ElKevbo 19:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not their fault - it looks kinda like vandalism to automated tools and they're just not checking hard enough. Don't get frusterated. JBKramer 19:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Needs more info on S.F. Years
I think we need more info on his S.F. years, mainly controversey. Its not like it all started with the Eagles. I didn't really follow him then, so if anyone knows, please add on.

Proper Pronunciation
Could someone clarify how his first name is supposed to be pronounced? Either "Tur-rel" or "Tear-ul". Since I have heard commentators and sports reporters refer to him by both names.CharlieP216