Talk:Terry-Thomas

Norman Josiffe
With Jeremy Thorpe on the agenda in recent weeks, there was a renewal of the suggestion that Norman Josiffe was Terry-Thomas's brother-in-law (or possibly Terry-Thomas was the brother-in-law of Josiffe's wife's sister).

I doubt it needs to be noted here, but editors with an interest in Terry-Thomas may have something to add to the discussion over at Talk:Norman Josiffe. 213.205.240.209 (talk) 12:23, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

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Relationship to Richard Briers
Although numerous sources give 'second cousin', this must be due to: a) lack of knowledge of the exact relationship; or b) unfamiliarity with the correct term for the son of a first cousin. Briers himself even called T-T his 'second cousin', but again this is not borne out by the facts at hand, and indicates the average person's unfamiliarity with the required terms. Briers's authorised biography, as well as his Times, Telegraph and BBC obituaries (and many other news sources etc), clearly state Terry-Thomas to have been the first cousin of Briers's father Joseph Briers. This unequivocally makes them first cousins once removed, save in a scenario where obfuscatory terminological inexactitude is to be accepted simply by virtue of sheer weight of usage, and where a perfectly simple specific locution indicating their relationship is deemed too complicated for the general public to grasp, even though they could simply 'Google' it and find out in about four seconds flat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.220.213 (talk • contribs) 11:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It is better to say that Terry-Thomas was Briers' "father's cousin", the phrase used in the Telegraph article (or in other words that Briers was T-T's cousin's son). Though there's no doubt that "first cousin once removed" is correct, it is terminology that is poorly understood by non-genealogists -including journalists who think it has the same meaning as "second cousin" - and is best avoided.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * 1. Please don’t edit war. We will discuss this in the light of the sources and change (or not) once we have agreed how to approach this
 * 2. I am away from the sources I used when working on this, so please give me a few days to check what I have. As it stands? We currently represent a significant number of sources, so the point is fine as it stands for the moment. IF we agree to change it once we’ve reviewed the sources at hand, we need to te-write appropriately – including the mention of the “wrong” information. It needs to be done properly with more than just a newspaper obituary as the source (and in a consistent format with the rest of the article. - SchroCat (talk) 12:08, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem; I'll check back next week. I should think the statement that Terry-Thomas was Briers's father's cousin appearing in Times, Telegraph and BBC obituaries would be fairly conclusive given their status in comparison to Briers casually uttering that they were 'second cousins', for example, but will of necessity bow to due process.

The following is original research (no-one need bother telling me it isn't suitable for inclusion in the article as I have no intention of attempting to include it), but for anyone interested in the exact relationship (based on Briers's biography and publicly-available BMD and census records)-

Richard Briers was son of Joseph Benjamin Briers. Joseph was son of Benjamin George Briers and his wife Grace Charlotte, dau. of Joseph Thomas Hoar and Lilian Milborough Stanley. Terry-Thomas's mother, Ellen Elizabeth (née Hoar), was a younger sister of Grace Charlotte.

I would say that, in the event it is decided (contrary to what I consider fairly clear evidence and logic, but that's by the by) to retain 'second cousin', some parenthetical statement be included with regard to the fact that numerous sources state Terry-Thomas and Briers's father to have been cousins. Thanks all for your input, even if I don't really agree with you- it's quite pleasant to be able to disagree civilly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.220.213  (talk • contribs) 12:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


 * , that’s a good edit, but can you put the ref in a constant format to the others? (I’m on a mobile on holiday, or I’d do it myself). No probs if you can’t, I’ll sort when I’m back. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll leave that to you, as I'm confident that I would do it incorrectly. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Rowan and Martin
Terry-Thomas also appeared on ROWAN AND MARTIN'S LAUGH-In in t he initial 1968 season — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.23.5.11 (talk) 18:45, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * He appeared on US TV a lot, so it can't all be covered in the article, but it is listed in Terry-Thomas on screen, radio, stage and record. - SchroCat (talk) 20:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks.There's a channel that's running LAUGH-In straight through on Friday's,and I t ry to keep track of all the cameos 198.23.5.11 (talk) 14:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Image/caption
"Everyone was talking about the gap between my teeth, my monocle, the fancy waistcoats I wore and the seven-inch cigarette holders I used." In the image he has an eye patch but no monocle, no waistcoat and no cigarette holder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.201.212 (talk) 14:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but we are constrained by the available and copyright free images we are allowed to use, so an image demonstrating part of his image has been used - there are others that show some of the other aspects too. - SchroCat (talk) 14:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Date of Birth.
I have seen several different pictures of his grave stone which shows a birth date of 14th July. 82.69.92.48 (talk) 18:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As does T-T's autobiography. His birth certificate, however, has 10 July, as the article explains. - SchroCat (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2024 (UTC)