Talk:Terry Griffiths/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 22:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the ✅ tag to state when something is addressed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Lede

 * is a retired Welsh snooker player and current snooker coach and pundit. -probably need the word "professional" in there. Something like "is a retired professional Welsh snooker player and current snooker coach and pundit." Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Lede links to World Snooker Championship 1979, rather than the article name Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * He became World Champion in 1979 at the first attempt in only his second tournament as a professional player, - maybe "In his second professional tournament, he became world champion as he won the 1979 World Snooker Championship as a qualifier." Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * He was runner-up at the 1988 World Snooker Championship to Steve Davis, losing 11–18 after being level at 8–8. - "Nine years later, in 1988, Griffiths reached the final of the competition again. He was tied with Steve Davis at 8-8, but lost the match 11-18." Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Apart from two world championship finals, his only other appearance in a ranking tournament." Probably need to specify you are talking about ranking tournament finals. Bare in mind we literally stated he won the UK in the sentence before, which is clearly a bigger deal. Perhaps "in addition, Griffiths also reached the final of the 1989 European Open, losing on a deciding frame to John Parrott.", I'd suggest that he was in three additional Triple Crown finals is also notable. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think something on his coaching career, even listing some names he coached would be a good thing. He's clearly a talented coach. He was also the WPBSA coaching director, which is a deal. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Amended in line with the comments above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

General

 * probably worth linking to snooker on first use in the body. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 1978 UK Championship pipes to a redirect back to itself. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * After beating Eddie Charlton in a long semi-final that finished at 1:40 am - probably worth adding a score. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Amended as per the three points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * becoming world champion at the first attempt - also worth mentioning he was the first qualifier to win the event, and maybe worth mentioning he and Murphy are the only ones to do so. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, he was the first qualifier to win the event at the Crucible; Higgins won as a qualifier in 1972 which had a different format. (See e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/snooker/4504233.stm ). Could either say second player, or first at Crucible, or leave it as is - let me know what you think. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, I knew Higgins did, but then didn't type it. I'd suggest saying all of this, stating he was the second qualifier to win the event, and the first at the Crucible. You can then mention Murphy. I think that source covers the lot. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sources often seemingly ignore anything before 1977. Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * When the scores were 11–11, Griffiths offered to split the prize money. Virgo declined, and later won the match 14–13 - You and I know there was a bit more too it than this, the BBC strike and all that. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added a little bit, let me know if I should add more. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * There's a tag. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops. Removed uncited info. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The 1989 European Open (snooker) - needs a pipe Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Having built a 4-1 lead against John Parrott, Griffiths saw his opponent level the match at 4-4 - need fixing dashes. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Amended as per two points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Review meta comments

 * I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 22:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, . Let me know if anything else is needed (e.g. on "first qualifier" or the 1979 UK final). Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)