Talk:Terry Jones/Archive 1

Political articles list
If there is a reason this list is in the order it is in then it should be mentioned at the top of the section. If there isn't then it ought to be reworked to be in chronological order. Thryduulf 23:32, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pre-Python collaborations
Could people please leave non-Python members of shows in the article, as well as "Monty Python" members. The non-Python members are as much a part of Terry Jones' comedy history as the Python members are. Figaro 01:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

History
There is pretty much NO reference to his notable work in the field of Ancient History. What about 'Barbarians' and all that sort of stuff? He's also very reknowned in that field- I think it should have more of a mention!

The only mention of it is in his factual books on Chaucer and whatnot- hardly anything is mentioned of his historical TV programmes or anything of that sort...any reason? Surely it's worth mentioning?

--Elín 20:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

POV?
that one section regarding Barbarians...not so sure POV-wise.

--cyenu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.198.176 (talk • contribs) 07:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. It also duplicates the "Television" section further down the page. I'll integrate them and remove the POV stuff. --Nicknack009 12:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

sectioning
I realise my sectioning probably makes the article a little choppy, but I still think it's better than the massive 20 paragraph 'introduction' it was before. My biggest problem is with dividing his career into pre-Python and post-Python, as my personal belief is that these guys should be seen as brilliant comedians and writers in themselves, and not just parts of the sum. I think I'll have a go at this article in a week or so, when I have a break from Uni. TrianaC 11:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * More info is needed beofre there can be a successful break-down.--Crestville 13:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Wind in the Willows
I see a link to 'Wind in the Willows (1996 movie)', which doesn't exist yet, whereas 'Wind in the Willows' exists and mentions the Terry Jones film, along with an animated version (cast Alan Bennett and Michael Palin, who also plays in the Terry Jones film). I find it a great film. Is anybody working on it? Hoverfish 23:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I found it under 'The Wind in the Willows (1996 film)' and corrected the links. Hoverfish 13:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Private life
Should anyone add something about his (rather notorious) private life? The Swedish student, the open marriage, the separation, blah blah blah... Or should Wikipedia be one of the few websitest to not sully this man's good name? =) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riana (talk • contribs) 11:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope, if it's true stick it in there. It adds to his charm doesn't it?--Crestville 13:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I logged on to this record to try and find out more about his private life so if someone does know about his marriage etc then it'd be great if they could include it 86.140.150.20 20:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Anon
 * There was quite a bit of gossip about it on the IMDB database last time I looked. Miamomimi 20:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Interview on Hardtalk
Terry was interviewed today on BBC World's Hardtalk. The show can currently be found at: rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/news/olmedia/n5ctrl/progs/06/hardtalk/jones27oct.rm?start="00:00.0" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.235.23.12 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sadly this link wouldn't work for me. Miamomimi 20:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Python drag

 * He played most of the women, mostly because no one else offered.

I find this untrue, I think most of the Pythons wore drag quite often. It's true Jones often portrayed a typical housewife-mother, but e.g. Cleese and Chapman often donned the Pepperpot costumes and Idle was no stranger to drag either. Anything to substantiate this claim, or should it be removed? Naphra 23:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed. Naphra 07:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Political articles section
There's no reason to link to every article Terry Jones has written that is available online. Wiki is not a collection of links and it goes against the external links guidelines. If there is a root link pointing to all these articles, it would be acceptable, but otherwise, the list should be removed or reduced.--Boffob (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree, since there is not a root link because it is from different newspapers, it is useful for readers to immediately go to the articles he has written. We have the list of articles anyway, it would be pointless to remove the links there. Garion96 (talk) 23:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, IMHO User:Garion96's points are true but are trumped by WP:LINKFARM and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I see three (four, and I linked all four in the article) newspapers listed. IMHO users should be able to find Jones' articles at those sites without too much trouble.
 * Therefore, moving detailed list here and replacing it in the article with external links to the three newspapers. IMHO that's the best course of action.


 * I remain, sir, Haggard of the Hindu Kush – published in The Observer, 30 December 2001
 * Spare our blushes and put a sack on it – published in The Observer, 6 January 2002
 * Why grammar is the first casualty of war – published in The Daily Telegraph, 12 January 2002
 * OK, George, make with the friendly bombs – published in The Observer, 17 February 2002
 * A fox isn't a chicken. Is it? – published in The Observer, 17 March 2002
 * If you want a free vote, ask nicely – published in The Observer, 21 April 2002
 * The audacious courage of Mr Blair – published in The Observer, 22 September 2002
 * I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush – published in The Observer, 26 January 2003
 * Powell speaks with forked tongue – published in The Observer, 23 February 2003
 * Could Tony Blair look at the internet now, please? – published in The Observer, 2 March 2003
 * Mr Bush goes for the kill – published in The Observer, 9 March 2003
 * Poor Tony Blair wakes up – published in The Observer, 16 March 2003
 * Tony and the pixies – published in The Observer, 23 March 2003
 * Welcome aboard the Iraqi gravy train – published in The Observer, 13 April 2003
 * Mr Blair's dark days – published in The Observer, 27 April 2003
 * "If fish can feel pain, then maybe Iraqi children can, too" – published in The Observer, 4 May 2003
 * Why look in the crystal ball? – published in The Observer, 4 May 2003
 * If politicians start telling the truth… – published in The Observer, 18 May 2003
 * Alastair, God and the Devil – published in The Observer, 6 July 2003
 * A resignation is worth a thousand smiles – published in The Observer, 31 August 2003
 * Why Tony went to war – published in The Observer, 5 October 2003
 * Let's make infants pay for their schooling – published in The Independent, 27 January 2004
 * Suits you, sir – but can we suggest something warmer? – published in The Independent, 1 February 2004
 * Tony really must try harder – published in The Guardian, 14 April 2004
 * Invade Iraq? It's a no brainer – published in The Guardian, 19 April 2004
 * The war of the words – published in The Guardian, 30 April 2004
 * This week – published in The Guardian, 22 May 2004
 * This won't hurt much – published in The Guardian, 16 June 2004
 * In Iraq, it's already 9 July – published in The Guardian, 7 July 2004
 * George, God here… – published in The Guardian, 22 October 2004
 * A man-made tsunami – published in The Guardian, 11 January 2005
 * Let them eat bombs – published in The Guardian, 12 April 2005
 * Vote Draino – published in The Guardian, 5 May 2005
 * Comedy of terror – published in The Guardian, 29 December 2005
 * God: I've lost faith in Blair – published in The Guardian, 8 March 2006
 * They have made a killing – published in The Guardian, 6 January 2007
 * Call that humiliation? – published in The Guardian, 31 March 2007.
 * Saved by the bomb – published in The Guardian, 5 May 2007
 * A true land of opportunity – published in the Guardian, 12 June 2007
 * A president transformed – published in the Guardian, 7 July 2007
 * Terry Jones – collected columns published in Comment Is Free in the Guardian
 * -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I strongly suggest that we modify the current section "Political articles" to something like "Political writing" or "Political views", with a brief summary of his views, followed by links to his articles (what the section contains now). -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 13:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Collaborations
It seems strange to have a line showing that he collaborated with himself... He's hardly going to have done these things without knowing about it! 77.99.98.37 (talk) 20:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Jones the Brewer
Jones established a microbrewery in the early days of the real ale revival, and this should perhaps be mentioned. Rodparkes (talk) 12:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

site link in infobox
Infobox in article currently has website field linking to terry-jones.net, which seems to be cybersquatted. Switch website field so it links to Terry's Twitter? (I don't see an official Terry Jones website) --EarthFurst (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Web Site is Wrong
The web site listed here for Mr. Jones (terry-jones.net) doesn't say anything about him, and it doesn't look like he is associated with it any more. Mrdarklight (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I have removed it. Span (talk) 07:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Terry Jones should lead to disambiguation
I think that after the recent brouhaha regarding Terry Jones (pastor) and Innocence of Muslims, searches for Terry Jones should lead readers to Terry Jones (disambiguation) rather than to this article, which should acquire some parentheses at the end of the name. Mostly recognizing the practicalities (consider versus, despite the fact that anyone typing the name in the search has to pass through here!), but also out of some residual and hopefully paranoid fear that some bottom-feeding idiot assassin would get the two mixed up... Wnt (talk) 04:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Married or Divorced
The article says: "The marriage broke down after he admitted to falling in love with 26-year-old student Anna Söderström." But it doesn't say if he is still married to his first wife or not: not all breakdowns end in divorce. Also, is there a date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gef05 (talk • contribs) 08:23, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


 * This Daily Mail article alleges Jones was in an open marriage to Telfer, (at least until March 2012) and has a child with Soderstrom. The DM article is in no way strong enough as a reference to add to the WP article. It doesn't say whether the marriage has broken down or not. Span (talk) 13:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

English and not Welsh?
Why is Terry Jones listed as English in so many of the categories? He's a Briton, but he is not of English birth or ethnicity, he is Welsh-- one of the most prominent living Welsh comic writers and actors.IanThal 21:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I have just corrected the categories concerned. Figaro 02:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * He certainly self-identifies as Welsh. 90.205.92.225 (talk) 06:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So why is he now described as "British"? Simply because "Monty Python was British"? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Broken Web Link
The Website www.comedy-zone.net is now re-directed to what appears to be a gambling website chaiyobet.com and should likely be removed. 208.38.59.162 (talk) 22:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC) Douglas Hynson

Lead
Lead sections are supposed to have an overview of an entire article in the form of one or more paragraphs. This is just one long sentence which says nothing about what Terry Jones has done as a scholar or comedian, just that he is one. It also says nothing about the other sections of his bio, such as his early life, personal life or political opinions. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:36, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The lead is not taggably bad, even as it stands. Certainly not to edit-war over it.
 * Jones has done many things, apart from Python (which is specified). He has done many notable things, which are listed and even linked within this article. But of the Pythons and unlike Palin, Gilliam or Cleese, I would contend that he has not done specific things that are so individually noteworthy as to need to be individually listed in the lead. He wrote the screenplay for Labyrinth - but not the one they used. He's known as a serious medieval historian with several published books - but who could name one offhand? He's the most-banned film director in Ireland, but does even Personal Services belong in the lead? His BAFTA lifetime award was just that, an award for a lifetime of work, rather than any one piece of it. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is bad. He's a "historian" of what? You don't have to list the individual works but you could mention what he has done as an academic--the field in general. "After the Monty Python group become defunct, Jones went on to direct several feature films" rather than just "director". It's really not so confounding how this could be improved. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * also, that he is a children's book author, including The Saga of Erik the Viking, amongst others. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:38, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

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maybe someone should add an image of him when he was younger. for example an image that shows how he looked liked when he was a member of Monty Python — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valmendil (talk • contribs) 22:34, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Numeral systems
The article tells us:


 * Jones has written books and presented television documentaries on medieval and ancient history and the history of numeral systems.

But it doesn't seem to elaborate on the history of numeral systems. A book? A TV documentary? -- Hoary (talk) 13:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


 * No response of any kind, so I have removed this claim. -- Hoary (talk) 23:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Terry did make and present a one-hour BBC1 documentary on the history of numbers, The Story of 1, in 2005. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4272538.stm It can be found on YouTube and Vimeo and, indeed, it has its own Wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_1 Khamba Tendal (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)