Talk:Tervel of Bulgaria

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Do we know what territories the kingdom of Tervel consisted of?

"Saviour of Europe"
I am removing the relevant section, that claims "After the Bulgarian army crushed the Arabs during the siege of Constantinople (718) Tervel was called by contemporaries the Saviour of Europe." First, "Europe" as a concept did not exist back then. Second, while working on rewriting Siege of Constantinople (717–718), I went through most Greek and all Arab sources, and there is none actually mentioning him in these words. While Tervel contributed in an event that (from a modern Western view) "saved Europe", the statement, as it has long stood in this and the siege article is plainly wrong. Of the sources used as references, one was a Wikipedia mirror, two were not WP:RS. The only one that seems relatively reliable mentions nothing about contemporaries, but only far later accounts (Blasius Kleiner and Paisius of Hilandar). Constantine  ✍  16:41, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The name Saviour of Europe is invented later by Western historians. Arab chroniclers of the period, and Zigebert claim that Bulgarian Army played a major role in the defeat of the Arabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.118.193.187 (talk) 12:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Христо Зарев Игнатов aka User:213.91.244.2, your sources are unscientific. As explained above, Tervel was never called a "saviour of Europe" by any contemporary, this is a later term most likely invented by modern Bulgarian historiography. Let's not get too dramatic about the "historical past of Bulgarian people" by trying to reinvent it. Also, please be aware that using an account and an IP Sockpuppet is still Edit warring and will get you banned. I will now revert your changes back to the previous version and if you continue with your edit warring, I will report you for violating the three-revert rule..  — Toдor Boжinov — 16:16, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear Todor, please, define "scientific". regards! --213.91.244.2 (talk) 17:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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