Talk:Teschen

Let's us use official names: Cieszyn and Cesky Tesin
The city is currently divided between Poland (Cieszyn) and the Czech Republic (Ceský Te&#353;ín):


 * Tesin - 3,930 results, 1,430 English results
 * Te&#353;ín - 614 results, 89 English results
 * Ceský Te&#353;ín - 253 results, 63 English results
 * Cesky Tesin - 4,700 results, 663 English results
 * Teschen - 9,130 results, 2,640 English results
 * Cieszyn - 42,600 results, 3,270 English results


 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Tesin
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Te%9A%EDn
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Cesk%FD+Te%9A%EDn+&btnG=Google+Search
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Cesky+Tesin
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Teschen
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Cieszyn

cc 19:03, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I suggest to create two separate etries for the two cities, using their official names: Cieszyn and Ceský Te&#353;ín. And to tie them toghether by see also links.

When doing a Google search to determine what name is used in English, you must remember to do an "advanced search" that limits the results to only pages in English.

Tesin 2,140 Te&#353;ín 132 Teschen 3,950 Cieszyn 5,610

Maximus Rex 19:13, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, Maximus Rex, English only searches inserted above

CC, 19:21, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

So, why the page is still at Teschen?Halibutt 08:09, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * Any admins here to move this page to where it belongs? I hope someone will come up. If not, I'll move this page by copyediting. Halibutt 21:57, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I think it makes sense to discuss the historical city and duchy in this article and use two articles (Cieszyn and Cesky Tesin) for the current places. Maximus Rex 18:57, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Yup, let's move the London article to Londinium as well. Halibutt 20:58, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Since there are now 2 seperate cities with 2 different names and 1 historical city/duchy with a historical name, it makes sense to have 3 articles. London is not a valid example of a similar situation. Maximus Rex 22:58, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * But Teschen was only an official state-name during part of the city's existence. So we should have the following articles:


 * Cieszyn - Duchy of Cieszyn times
 * Tesin - (until annexation by Austria)
 * Teschen - between the partitions and 1939
 * Cesky Tesin - between 1920 and 1938 and after 1945
 * Cieszyn - between 1920 and 1938 and after 1945.
 * Does it make any sense? Not really. I suggest we sticked to the name Cieszyn throughout the ages and explain the naming in a separate section, just like it's done in the Gdansk article. Halibutt 11:39, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll split the articles onto two separate entities under actual names later this day. The name Teschen is absurd. One may argue that the English name is equal to the German one, but what is the English name of the Czech part of the city? Tschechische Teschen? Czech Teschen? or perhaps Cesky Teschen? Nyah, let's stick to the names both cities actually use. Halibutt 16:06, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)

Article split
I finally split the article onto several parts. I left all of the history together, while split the actual info about both towns. The article at Teschen was left as a disambiguation since several famous people were actually born in the town when it belonged to Austria-Hungary and we can't link those articles neither to Cieszyn nor to Cesky Tesin. I also added a navigational template to all of the sites related to our place.

--Halibutt 12:47, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)