Talk:Tess Holliday/Archive 1

Copyvio
I have tagged a significant portion of the article due to copyright concerns. The material appears to be very close paraphrasing of the original source material. Examples include:

Article: "Her father was verbally abusive about her size for most of her life."

Source: "My father was verbally abusive about my size for most of my life"

Article: " However, her mother always told her she was beautiful, regardless of her size" Source: "My mother however always told me I was beautiful, regardless of my size"

Article: "Munster relocated to Seattle at the request of a friend and stayed there for two years" Source: "...relocated to Seattle at the request of a friend and stayed for two years."

Article: "Then Hurricane Katrina forced Tess to make another move and she found herself in Seattle again" Source: "Hurricane Katrina forced Tess to make yet another move and she found herself in Seattle again"

There's more of this type of paraphrasing in the article. -- Whpq (talk) 02:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

merge tag
i just now redirected Tess Holliday to this article, so that merge tag could probably go unless there's more to do. i didn't add any of the content from there because this one is under pending changes. :) 74.44.163.185 (talk) 02:07, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2015
Please change in the early life segment her being "curvy" to large. This woman was not and unless she quits being a horrible influence to children will never be "curvy". Curvy is an hourglass shape, this womans body is more akin to a watermelon. Thank you for viewing my request. Jack

68.150.168.37 (talk) 03:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 04:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * While Female body shape does not explicitly define "curvy" it does describe it by stating that "Monroe [...] was more curvaceous" and "depictions of Monroe emphasize a smaller waist and fuller bottom half." I do not see this article establishing that Ms. Munster/Holliday has that described body type, specifically the small waist.  Therefore the meaning of the word is inconsistent across these two articles.  If it is not wanted to change the word "curvy" in this article to something else, it would make sense that Female body shape be updated to note modern use of the term. Aefalcon (talk) 17:22, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

What is Tess Munster's real weight?
All of the RS we have say 260. But I've done some research, and almost every RS is published after our article on Munster. Importantly, they are also all secondary sources. The only article published before ours that mentions her weight is one by Cathy Young, writing for the Boston globe. It says, I quote, "Tess Munster, who weighs 260 pounds with a BMI of 42...". It's just an offhanded reference, with no mention of where the stat came from. Let's examine the stat further. According to Munster's official web page, she is 5 feet and 5 inches. Getting the BMI for that height and weight will get you approximately 43.3.

That's not equal to 42!

However, if Munster had exactly 42 BMI, and a weight of 260 lb, the height would have to be exactly 5 feet and 6 inches. It's either a typo, an estimation, or simply false information of another kind. Any one of these scenarios cast doubt on that stat.

Now, you might be wondering why we shouldn't just check with Munster or her agency. The answer is simple. Munster has never (to my knowledge), recently publicly stated her weight.

Here's where the fact that every RS we're using is secondary comes into play. Every secondary source usually gets their information from primary sources, or gathers it themselves. Now, unless Cathy Young measured Munster herself, she had to have gotten the information from somewhere else, right?

But the fact of the matter is, there is no "somewhere else" we know of. There is NO primary source that states Munster's weight publicly. I would doubt that anyone would reveal her weight to a reporter, considering Munster is keeping it a secret. Therefore, I am removing her "weight" and BMI from the article for two reasons:

Firstly, her or her agency, or any other primary RS on the matter has not stated her weight.

Secondly, every secondary source we have repeats the Boston Globe, and the Globe didn't state where they got the information from. They didn't even write "anonymous source".

Grognard Chess (talk) Ping when replying 05:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

There's no consistency in regard to her surname - both Munster and Holliday are used within the article. What is the policy on this? I don't feel I should edit it to one because I'm not sure of the rules. When did she change from her birth name? 05:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiwipatricia (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2015
Please change this part at the top of the article-

"Tess Holliday (née Munster; born Ryann Meagan, July 5, 1985)"

Muster is not Tess's birth surname, it's jut a stage name she used. Her real maiden name is Hoven. Also, her middle name is misspelled. It should be Maegen, not Meagan. You might want to change other mentions of the name Munster to Hoven/Holliday too, I don't know what the policy on that is. I don't know what kind of source to submit with this, she used her real name on a lot of personal accounts before she adopted her stage name. Here's her old Photobucket account (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/FrankenBarbie/profile/), and her Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/MadameMunster).

109.77.48.83 (talk) 10:58, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 14:45, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

née vs born?
What is the difference between née and born? Née is the feminist feminine adjective for originally called; born (né is the male masculine adjective meaning the same thing) - So if née means "born", then way does it say (née... born...) in the article? It's basically restating that over again. CookieMonster755 (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Jeez, I can't not correct that. "Feminine", not "feminist"; "masculine" not "male".  Yes, "née" should give the birth name, not the one immediately before you change it to your husband's name.  Most people don't change their names several times so it's usually a moot point, but you are right here. Correctrix (talk) 04:30, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * , you must be picky? Well I fixed the terms for you. CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Relevance of morbid obesity
Tess Holliday IS morbidly obese and the that is deeply relevant to an article about her and her fat acceptance movement. Her BMI is 46.6. Morbid obesity is defined as either:

1. a body weight 100 pounds or more than what is medically recommended

or

2. a Body Mass Index (BMI) of over 40.

http://www.atlanticare.org/index.php/understanding-obesity/what-is-morbid-obesity

By either measure she is morbidly obese.

Custodiet ipsos custodes talk 18:42, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Wikipedia is a sham. It doesn't have a neutral point of view. You can't express facts because fat people are overrepresented in the type of people that sit at home and edit wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.15.218.45 (talk) 18:48, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Current Weight
Though it is no doubt 'speculative' in the strictest sense, it's very obvious based on recent shoots that Tess has been gaining weight since the cited article was posted (let alone written). This article is also from a rather unreliable source. For this reason I think it may be best to completely remove mention of weight and size. Her sizes are also from her personal Tumblr FAQ, which, really, when was the last time that was updated?

Maybe it'd be best to edit the wording to "last recorded" or something to that effect.

Semisufficient (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2015 (UTC)