Talk:Test (wrestler)/Archive 1

Steroids
It is pretty clear that Test uses steroids. This should be noted on the main page, and if not at the very least note that he is commonly accused of taking steroids, since, after all is anyone going to disagree with me and say he isn't taking steroids?

[random dude talking] im leaving a comment about his size at the bottem. plz read.

Me. He hasn't had any significant weight gain, which is relevant when one abuses steroids. If he did it was probably his neck surgery. I KNOW HHH used steroids. Look how much bigger he got after knee injury. Now he has got another knee injury, don't be surprised he comes back weighing 280lbs.

Well, apparently he has just been taken off the road for for violating the WWE's wellness policy, which doesn't necessarily mean steroids, but probably. So, score one for me. http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/3391
 * Unless you have a reliable source that he uses steroids, then it is just speculation (which isn't allowed). "He looks like he uses steroids" isn't good enough. TJ Spyke 05:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess it may be "speculation", but I was just trying to prove my point that it is pretty much obvious that he does use steroids. I don't really care if his "supposed steroid use" is mentioned in any way on the actual page. I just figured that since no one had brought it up, I should, since it is definitely something about him that other people have noticed.

But SURELY BOBBY LASHLEY uses steroids Why doesnt he get suspended? --GuerrillaFlick 17:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, why don't you suggest that on his talk page? After all this is Test's, not Lashley's. And to answer your question, it is because WWE only suspends the wrestlers they want to.


 * It is libellous to accuse someone of taking steroids when you don't have any evidence which would stand up in a court of law. Hence, mentions of steroids will not appear on wrestler articles unless they appear in the media and can be sourced Suriel1981 18:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pussy Move His Finishing move is not a swinging neckbreaker it's a TKO.
 * lol,it's a swinging neckbreaker,and he doesn't even use the tko and there is no such thing as a "tko" user:dark-hooded smoker

well then,i'll make this then.his finishing move is a tko,but he calls it "swinging neckbreaker"user:dark-hooded smoker

You can't delete people's messages from talk pages if they're on topic. Don't delete my messages. And Test does not call the move a swinging neckbreaker. It was a mistake by the commentators.Sarge 2.0 16:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

well,your wrong,it's a swinging neckbreaker and you don't know anything about him,the commentators are correct and wikipedia is currently not working,they're saying all the lies and trying to have it all true and they all delete all the truth so wikipedia is not going very well.i got a message that i send to you on your damn user page or whatever. user:dark-hooded smoker

There is such thing as a TKO, though his official finisher might still be a running big boot (in some matches he went for but missed).

Well then,his ECW profile does not say his finisher so go and ask Test about what his finisher is and there is no such thing as a TKO.Dark-Hooded Smoker and sig:

Stop deleting people's messages. And look: Marc Mero. His finisher is the TKO, the same as Test's. Which should prove to you that there is such thing as the TKO, and that you're wrong.68.45.141.28 17:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Why are you threatening me? And how can you possibly say anymore that the TKO is fake, when I just sent you the page of the wrestler who uses it as a finishing move, just like Test? And no, I've never met Test, but I know professional wrestling throws and moves, and it's a fact that Test's finishing move is a fireman's carry into a cutter. Commonly called a TKO.Sarge 2.0 18:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

No, a swinging neckbreaker is not a fireman's carry cutter. It's a swinging neckbreaker. I don't know what's so hard to understand.Sarge 2.0 20:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Not to argue but the TKO is a cutter not a swinging neckbreaker (the cutter is a reverse neckbreaker). Swinging neckbreaker should be added under signature moves because he does do it.

Dark Hooded Smoker, you're wrong. The commentators just say it's a neckbreaker with a verb in it because they don't know what it is but we know & it's a TKO. Also Sarge, good but your final comment here doesn't make sense. When you said that fireman' carrier into a cutter is not a swinging neckbreaker, you said it's a swinging neckbreaker again.User:Pic Business

It is a TKO

Seriously you can't take WWE's announcers seriously. They commonly call moves differently than they actually are, like calling a body slam a suplex or something. So if they call it a swinging neckbreaker that doesn't mean it is, which it is not.

[random guy agen] test was billed at 285lbs when he came back to wwe and at 6'8. his real weight was 324lbs. i dont know why they didnt say that weight, he wouldve been more powerful an popular as a strong heel. his real height is 6'7. he took steroids before. he wasnt taking them while he was in wwe

That photo
He needs to cheer up. --Dweller 14:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Why is he not listed on the ECW extemists page?User:Killswitch Engage

Hey,who removed the image of test?who does that man think he is?huh? user:dark-hooded smoker

Mötley Crüe
Could anybody please specify exactly what event they played at for Test's debut?

It a RAW is WAR that was taped on October 20, 1998, however the show aired on October 26 1998. G0aT CheEZeY 18:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Kelly
Would you say that he is currently being managed by Kelly Kelly or not? She is managing the tag team of Knox and Test. Debra is listed as Owen Hart's manager and she had nearly the identical gimmick that Kelly has.G0aT CheEZeY 18:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

^I would.

Hes dating barbie blank. Who took that off?
 * Do you have a source? TJ Spyke 05:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a link of her telling him she loves him here Is that a good enough source? -Gdfanatic21594 07:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's sort of a soucre [| CLICK ME!]. He mentions his "girl" and if you check her myspace she mentions her "man". There used to be something their that mentions her name but I can't find it. WeLsHy 05:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

TKO photo
WTF!?Who the hell is that dude who deleted the photo of the TKO? picture

Article name
Why is this article at Andrew "Test" Martin? Why not just Andrew Martin? It just redirects here anyways. Maybe someone should suggest a move. TJ Spyke 21:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would think because it is his correct nameHalbared 08:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So "Test" is part of his name? What I meant is, why not just have this article at Andrew Martin? Andrew Martin already redirects to this page. TJ Spyke 18:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the sourced for him changing his name? TJ Spyke 21:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * People that are known by stage names usually have the name included in their article title. "Weird Al" Yankovic not Al Yankovic, Billy "Crash" Craddock not Billy Craddock, etc. —taestell 17:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but these people aren`t like Test. He never used Andrew "Test" Martin as a name. It should be Andrew Martin. Soopafred 06:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. --  T H  L  R CCD 06:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

So, if what TJ Spyke said in a recent edit summary is true, Test is now his middle name as well as his ring name. Should I move the article to Andrew Test Martin from Andrew "Test" Martin as a response to this? Peace, --  The  Hyb  rid  20:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I would suggest just Andrew Martin. Which is what I suggest in the move request I just made. TJ Spyke 05:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed 声  援  --  The   Hyb  rid  06:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

move. --  tariq abjotu  03:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
Andrew "Test" Martin → Andrew Martin — His name is Andrew Martin, which is a redirect to this page. He did legaaly change his name to Andrew Test Martin, but ne never goes by that. TJ Spyke 05:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add  # Support   or   # Oppose   on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~ .  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Yeah, we don't need Test in the article name. It is pointless.  声  援  --  The   Hyb  rid  06:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support per nom. Test is his legal middle name but middle names aren't commonly used on Wikipedia unless the person in question is popularly known as such. Suriel1981 11:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

 * 1) I really see no reason to change it since this is his legal name now. Maybe the quotes can be removed if anything has to be done, but even that's debatable. «»bd(talk stalk) 18:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * How is it debatable? Test is his actual middle name, it's not a monkier.  We wouldn't keep an article at Martin "Luther" King. Croctotheface 05:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Debatable as in that's a whole other move request.«»bd(talk stalk) 20:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm against it because he had confirmed on his Myspace, which I would consider a reliable source that he would never disrespect his parents by changing his name, he even mentioned Wikipedia as the place were he found that info.220.235.113.164 (talk) 11:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments:


 * I'd favor moving this article to Andrew Test Martin, since that seems to be the most common usage. Short of that, I'm fine with the proposed move as well. As Martin legally changed his name, the quotation marks are patently incorrect. Croctotheface 12:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Someone should delete all unsourced information in here, including where it says that he lost forty-five pounds in two weeks. 69.181.156.67 17:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Myspace
Should Test's MySpace page be put under the external links section of the page? Gdfanatic21594 20:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

TNA Rumor
Possibly heading to TNA?

confirmed, and he made his debut last monday, as now edited in the article.

The other Andrew Martin
There is a British IM strength chess player also called Andrew Martin. Is he considered important enough to get a page here with some disambiguation please?  SmokeyTheCat   •TALK•  09:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * let's put it this way - he's important enough if you think he is and if he fullfills the wikipedia Notability criteria, then go ahead and create a page for him MPJ-DK 22:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hidden trivia section
When I read through this article I see a lot of trivia, which if it was in a section of it's own would get tagged as such - the thing is it's NOT incoporated into the text but just mentioned. I think it should be either deleted or at least converted and mentioned in the text instead of just "bullet points", especially "Nicknames" and "Theme music" as it just clutters up the "In wrestling" section and makes it seem like a trashcan where anything people couldn't figure out where to put ends up. If it can't be converted into text then honestly consider whether it's actually trivia and remove it since this isn't a wrestling site but an encylopedia. Some of the text under his personal life suffer from the same issues, it's borderline trivia the way it's written right now (tattoos for instance) whomever watches this article may want to clean it up. Just a thought MPJ-DK 23:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)