Talk:Testament (band)

Rewrite
Starting with the work that 68.110.10.136 did, I've completely rewritten the biography section to hopefully make it NPOV and clear up some of the language and spelling. I think it's substantially better (although possibly too detailed?). Feel free to help me out. - MordredKLB 23:05, July 25, 2005 (UTC)


 * I thought this should go here. Sorry, I'm still a wiki newb so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but in the end of one of the pargraphs there is a sentence that reads badly


 * "Billy stated in an interview for the sound of the record was by conflicting decisions on what sound the album should have been recorded."


 * Should this be fixed up or?

CharlieHAus 07:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfairness towards the Ritual
Now true even though the Ritual did not sell very well, many would say that 3 of Testaments 10 best songs are on that album. To this day many Thrash fans consider these 4 tracks, So Many Lies, The Ritual, Electric Crown, and Return to Serenity classics. I'm editing a little.

I think it is one of the band's best albums. Very underrated. - Markendust
 * Did it sell poorly? It was their highest charting in the US --MartinUK 18:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Markendust, although diehard, longtime Testament fans may disagree. But I thought The Ritual was their best album ever. Of course... that's just my personal opinion. BucsWeb (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * MartinUK has a point, I checked and The Ritual indeed is their highest charting album, who would it have sold more poorly than others?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.22.174 (talk) 16:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Testament logo.jpg
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Album cover
Can someone tell me who the artist is who did the cover of ''Low? Thanks. -Freekee 04:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The booklet says "Cover design, illustration and photography by Dave McKean @ Hourglass"

Authrom 00:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Jaxx Show Song Debut
"In July 2007, the band played a show at Jaxx Nightclub in Springfield, VA, with Paul Bostaph filling in on drum duties. The band debuted a new song, currently entitled "Not Afraid", another new song, "The Afterlife", was debuted at the Earthshaker Fest."

I was there and I'm pretty sure that it was "The Afterlife" that was played. http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=27495 this also confirms it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flib (talk • contribs) 23:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Band line-up
Isn't the line-up table a bit.. messy? I mean, other bands have neat tables, similar to a time-line. I'd edit this myself but I have no clue :)

Authrom 00:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

if someone could edit it that would be great i would but i don't know how i figured someone on here would be able to if i posted the lineups. I can figure out the years if we need them but most of the changes happend really quickly so its hard to pinpoint exact time.

also someone deleted it because there are lineups posted for the discography but that doesn't cover all lineups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.54.188 (talk) 20:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Testament Lineups
I used the weblink below along with information already on wikipedias testament page to put down all lineups. I can't figure out where Chris Kontos fits in. please help with adding the dates to how long each lineup was together, but i know that except for Chris the lineups are correct. I know there is a lineup for each member that recorded but it isn't detailed enough.

http://www.rockdetector.com/officialbio,8962.sm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.54.188 (talk) 07:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been reverting this revision because it appears to me superfluous given the other lists and is confusing/difficult to read (see the Manual of Style). If, however, some editors feel strongly that every member past and present should be in some sort of list form, then I suggest creating an article that resembles List of Iron Maiden band members so as to increase readability. Nufy8 (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Del James has credits all over, I would suggest maybe putting him under "Touring Members" in a "Collaborator" section? He's might not be the only person to write/perform with Testament without being an actual band member. --West Horizon (talk) 05:48, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Death Metal
I added Death Metal to the genre box...There are numerous times that this subgenre has been listed on the main article as well as in album descriptions, and when listening to it myself I've heard quite a few songs that sound "death metally." "The Gathering" is supposed to be influenced by death metal, as well as "Demonic" is supposed to be outright death metal, with thrash guitars, ofcourse. I think it's fair that this addition should stay 72.72.222.152 (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. The three listed are enough. Fair Deal (talk) 02:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The genres Groove metal and Death metal are mentioned in the Album articles "Gatherig", "Demonic" and "Low".Solino the Wolf (talk) 21:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because it's listed doesn't go for much and just passes as original research now until a source ermm... I mean reliable source is used as a reference. FireCrystal (talk) 21:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was consensus not to move; the band is not quite as well known as the holy books of two of the world's major religions.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Why was this consensus added to a genre discussion section? 72.72.212.58 (talk) 02:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Move
Move the article to simply Testament as it is the most important article with that exact name [just Testament] and --Testament-- counld be moved to Testament (disambiguation).--  Rockk3r       Spit it Out!  03:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose. The band is definitely not the most common usage of the word "testament". It is just as commonly used to refer to the parts of the Bible or a will. The disambiguator is just fine. Xnux   the   Echidna  03:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - clearly not the most common usage of the word -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - DITTO. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As stated several times above, this is not the most common meaning of the word. Wilhelm meis (talk) 22:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Bizarre proposal IMO. Andrewa (talk) 21:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - When people search for testament they would likely be looking for Old and New testament not some non-notable band. --SkyWalker (talk) 15:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Testament quote from the Simpsons
I don't have the exact quote with me right now, but I remember Reverend Lovejoy mentioning that "the Christian Rock Styling of Testament will be performing in the Church" with Bart replying "all the good bands are associated with Satan." Should that be including as a reference to pop culture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.98.155 (talk) 19:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

First Strike Still Deadly as a studio album
I think "First Strike Still Deadly" should be listed in the discography section of this article. Yeah, I know that album contains only re-recordings of their older material, but they were recorded in a studio, so it should be counted as a studio album in the discography section, just like the Suicidal Tendencies album "Still Cyco After All These Years", which also has some re-recorded material but has been referred to as a studio album. A lot of sources refer to "The Formation of Damnation" as the follow-up to "The Gathering" and the biography on Testament's official website doesn't even mention "First Strike Still Deadly". What's confusing is that, on Wikipedia, it's referred to as a compilation album, yet on the Wikipedia article of "The Formation of Damnation", it says it's their first album since "First Strike Still Deadly". Like I said, even though "First Strike Still Deadly" has some re-recorded material, I think it should be changed to a studio album since it was recorded in a studio. In fact, Discogs, Rate Your Music, Encyclopedia Metallum and Allmusic.com all list "First Strike Still Deadly" as a standard album rather than a compilation. Thoughts? 2602:306:BDA9:8610:690C:94B4:FAFB:C239 (talk) 17:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Members section
Please discuss the changes you wish to make, here first. Mlpearc ( open channel ) 19:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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4 million sold albums
This can hardly be true since Overkill, similar band in terms of popularity, have sold at least 16 million albums, as stated in related article. Previous information about 20 million sold albums seems to be more real. Maybe there is smth wrong with the source or maybe Chuck was trying to something else? I also have to say that metbash.ru is not a reliable source even in Russian Wikipedia. --HeadsOff (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 16 million for Overkill is obvious nonsense. Megadeth, the second most mopular band in genre with many platinum albums, have sold about 25-30 million. Cannibal Corpse, the most popular death metal band of all time, with close values of sales and chart positions, have only "achieved worldwide sales of two million units for combined sales of all their albums". A pure fanboyism. -- Yahuram (talk) 21:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a source stating 16 million albums by Overkill, and there is also a source stating Megadeth have sold 50 million albums. Furthermore, metbash is not a reliable source even in Russian Wikipedia. HeadsOff (talk) 22:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Where fans and authors find those absurd sales figures for thrash bands?
 * Metallica: 58 million by SoundScan, 120 million worldwide. Ok.
 * Megadeth: 9 million by SoundScan, ostensibly 50 million worldwide. What?!
 * Testament: 1.4 million by SoundScan, ostensibly 14 million worldwide. No comments.
 * Overkill: 0.6 million by SoundScan, ostensibly 16 million worldwide! Facepalm.
 * Show me those mysterious countries where people buy all these tons of albums. Even the biggest European extreme cults, such as In Flames or Cradle of Filth, have sales figures of about 3-4 million throughout their career. And they have a lot more followers on Facebook or listeners on Last.fm than Testament, Overkill, Exodus, etc. By the way, my source is not metbash forum or something, this is Decibel Magazine.
 * 25 million for Megadeth, 4 million for Testament and about 2 million for Overkill would be far more correct numbers in all senses. -- Yahuram (talk)

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Unsourced "influenced by" prose in Legacy and influence section
Claims of band members being influenced by other artists is unsourced and I am contesting this info. If no one is able to source these, I intend to remove them as per WP:V.  Rob van  vee  06:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree. Many "influences" are referring to Allmusic (page "Similar artists"), which can hardly be a reliable source. HeadsOff (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)