Talk:Testing cosmetics on animals

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NOT RELATED TO ABOVE COMMENTS: RE: The Body Shop-cruelty free? Er, I might have this in the wrong place, but has it not been proven that The Body Shop were using ingredients tested on animals so that they could say they did not test on animals? Besides, they are now owned by Loreal who are known for not only testing on animals but using animal anatomy (ie fish scales as glitter in lip gloss) so their claim to be cruelty free has been blown out of the water. In reality it is Lush who should be credited with this campaigning, including trying to come up with an alternative to stem cell research to try and appease both sides of the testing debate. --PyroGizPyroGiz (talk) 07:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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Why is it harmful to used/test products and or cosmetics on animals?

this is wrong and should not be thouth of or disscused!!!!!!!!!!! these poor animals dont have a say and so they cant do anything about this. it is killing them and it needs to STOP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.2.142.65 (talk) 16:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Merge?
Shouldn't this article be merged with animal testing ? -- Tom Ketchum  17:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe that at this moment, Animal testing is too long to merge this article there. Akhran (talk) 06:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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Adding a portion of the methods of animal testing will create more credibility in the article. In order to inform the readers about animal testing more, it would require more than one method of testing located in the "Methods" section. Jollycurtain123 (talk) 05:23, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Rename article? Testing cosmetics vs testing cosmetics on animals
There is no article on testing cosmetics, although cosmetic testing redirects here. Since this article also covers non-animal approaches to testing in the "Alternatives" section, would it be sensible to rename the article to Testing cosmetics and slightly reorganise the section to bring more weight to the alternatives? It seems a little odd to me to have an article on "testing cosmetics on animals" but no article on "testing cosmetics". pgr94 (talk) 12:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There has been very little attention drawn to this article because the name of the article is not in the correct term of which most people know it by today: "Animal Testing on Cosmetics." The Humane Society International (HSI) is an organization focused on the testing of animals on cosmetics since 1976. Large cosmetic corporations such as Lush Cosmetics, The Body Shop, L'Oreal, and L'Occitane have launched campaigns pairing with the HSI with the word 'Animal' being the focus of this topic vs. the conducting of the experiment itself. Not only is the title phrased incorrectly to what it is known by today, but the title itself perceives bad connotation towards the topic. With 'testing' being the introductory word to the article following the word 'cosmetics,' it introduces the article as a selfish act of a materialistic desire. The conducting of the tests becomes the focus vs. the care for the animals. If the word 'Animal' is first used, the focus shifts to the care of the animal vs. the conducting of the test. Also, when phrasing the topic in a way it is known best: "Animal Testing on Cosmetics," the views on the article will improve due to the readers' familiar knowledge of the phrase searched.Jollycurtain123 (talk) 01:21, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * For information, a google search has 12,300 hits for "Animal testing on cosmetics" but 16,500 hits for "Testing cosmetics on animals".  Despite this, I am swayed by your argument for a change to "Animal testing on cosmetics". DrChrissy (talk) 11:25, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Animal testing in china
There's no mention of China where, animal testing is required by law for all cosmetics sold in China. --AlFReD-NSH (talk) 08:38, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Because there is a section in this article focusing on China, there must be more information here or it should be removed; 7:14, 23 November 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jollycurtain123 (talk • contribs)

I would like to add more information about China's animal testing policy, as well as further explain the importance China has with animal testing. Jollycurtain123 (talk) 05:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the above comment. Furthermore, I think adding more information on each nation's animal testing policies and bans could be beneficial, as there is not a lot of evidence or information for any of the countries, including China. Jazzhubbard (talk) 00:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Organising legislation by geographical area
The section on legislation is getting a little scrambled. Should we consider rearranging this as legislation according to geographical areas, e.g. continents.__DrChrissy (talk) 02:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * There are few countries or unions in the list of banning animal testing, its not very complicated yet. At the end of the month, we can group all the countries that banned animal cosmetic testing together, including possibly the US and Brazil. Maybe not yet, or we could also organize it as countries that largely banned it, and countries that are considering banning it, and other status. - Sidelight 12 Talk 02:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It can be organized by status. There is enough to do that. - Sidelight 12 Talk 02:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep - fine by me. I am trying to sort out the legislation situation in Australasia but having trouble finding sources that are not linked to some (extreme) campaign group.  Will cary on looking at it.__DrChrissy (talk) 03:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-17/greens-call-for-australia-to-follow-eu-ban-on-animal-testing/5326200 - Sidelight 12 Talk 12:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Cheers! __DrChrissy (talk) 18:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Status
- Sidelight 12 Talk 08:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * OPINION: Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon’s End Cruel Cosmetics Bill 2014 answers the public’s growing opposition to animals testing Couriermail
 * Parliament of Australia: End Cruel Cosmetics Bill 2014
 * Examiner "Animal testing ban: How to help Congress pass the historic Humane Cosmetics Act" says NY, NJ and California banned testing. Website blacklisted. Use other source, when available, or if still necessary.

To create a more professional article, the information about the laws passed should be corrected in the right tenses. I see it more suitable to change the months and the years of the countries which have already passed the law and are still moving towards such a goal to pretense form. Jollycurtain123 (talk) 05:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit May 2014
Justthefax41, I agree with the first paragraph of the edit. It needs to be sourced to the link the page is on, not just to the (top level) domain. The proposed information under Alternatives, I believe to be true, but it usually needs to be linked to another type of source (a third party source). Something like http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aysha-akhtar/animal-experiments_b_4209541.html, which can be used for (or is suitable) for other articles too. Its a blog, while it can be accepted, there is no guarantee it will be accepted. - Sidelight 12 Talk 16:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Procedures of Animal Testing
I am interested in this topic because I feel that there could be more information in this article to allow readers to gain a better understanding of testing cosmetics on animals. I would like to contribute a section on this subject about the structural procedures of animal testing. There is an examination of the experiment before the testing of the animals called the "Three R's." This is a structural method used by laboratories to take in account if harm to animals are necessary, and if so, what other alternatives Jollycurtain123 (talk) 00:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)could be used. I believe it is crucial information to be shared with all readers. This information breaks down the intentions of these experiments, offering support that this is done not to intentionally harm animals, but to find the best method in which route is to be taken for an experiment.

This section needs to have references and citations added to the information as there are none. Jazzhubbard (talk) 01:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Update for 2018
South Korea, Taiwan, and very recently the state of California have passed bans. Additionally, Canada is proposing a ban. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markusw0207 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Methods of Animal Testing
There are some sections, especially in the methods section of the article, that have close paraphrasing of their sources Jazzhubbard (talk) 00:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Updates on sub-sections and map needed
Several changes have been made to testing laws in several countries and several sub-sections and the map need to be updated to reflect these changes. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 21:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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Bias and biased language
This section from the Definition section:

Animals are subjected to poisons being shoved up their noses, forced down their throats, injected into their bodies, and drip-fed into their eyeballs. They suffer from drug addiction, forced exposure to harmful substances, maternal deprivation, deafness, blindness, burning, staple wounds, and virus infections. Chemicals are applied to the shaved skin of confined rabbits to perform skin and ocular irritation tests without any pain treatment. tests in which mice are repeatedly force-fed chemicals to administer to them.

and the specific methods listed in the Methods section use non-neutral language to describe animal testing. The Alternatives section also has uncited opinions. Additionally, the methods section also does not adequately describe the procedures used in animal testing. Eclectic Eccentric (talk) 12:33, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Map for the United States
Can a map be created that displays which states in the US have passed bans on testing cosmetics on animals? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:46, 23 March 2023 (UTC)