Talk:Texas A&M Aggies football

rank
what is the aggies' rank?-Martious 08:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Um preseason polls aren't out yet. My bad, I guess they are. Go ahead and put them in BQZip01 06:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * They are #21.--Blueag9\talk 22:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In the section "2006 Schedule and results" there are ranks of some schools but not A&M, as it is an article about A&M i think it should appear somewhere... Martious 22:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering their one of the worst teams ever, they actually shouldn't be ranked. they're only ranked because they beat LSU in 7 overtimes, which isn't too much to brag about anyway. I think the ratings just messed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:327D:4E00:C543:1B76:ECEC:EB88 (talk) 03:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Questions
I put two questions relevant to this article at the bottom of Talk:Texas A&M Aggies. Johntex\talk 04:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

First play-by-play
I found this article that says an A&M game in 1921 was the first to ever have a radio play-by-play. This ought to be incorporated into this article or the main Texas A&M Aggies article somewhere -- it's interesting. http://www.wtaw.com/history.php Karanacs 14:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

2006 season results
Is it wise to delete this section or keep it in the article once the 2007 season starts?  Blue Ag09  (Talk) 21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I say keep until 07 (maybe even a little into it). It provides a reference for the previous season and gives the most recent outcome. — BQZip01 —  talk 15:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Images
There is a repository of CC-BY licensed A&M football images on Flickr that could be useful for this article:. Enjoy.  howcheng  {chat} 17:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

National Championships
Besides the color variation in the chart there is no mention(that I saw) of A&M wining the Championship, or anything mentioning how it was retroactively awarded in the 10's. Shouldn't there be some mention of this? Robhakari (talk) 06:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that's because it wasn't retroactively awarded for 1917 and 1919 (two years in which A&M not only went undefeated and untied, but no team scored on them). in the 1920s-1930s was when the term "national champion" was first really used. If you have a source that states otherwise, please add it and BE BOLD!!! — BQZip01 — talk 06:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A&M was retroactively awarded a 1919 national title by several selectors and there is some support of A&M as 1917 national champions. One of the original drafts of this page had all titles listed, but those two titles were later removed because A&M does not claim the 1917 or 1919 titles. I think it would be a good addition to the page to add that some selectors consider the teams national champions, but it would be important to clarify that A&M does not claim the titles (unlike programs like USC, which claims as a title anything that would remotely qualify.) -Texink[talk] 18:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Texas A&M recognizes 3 national championships if you read there 2012 Media Guide on their website. I think we should go by that in putting how many national championships under that section.Sullivan9211 (talk) 05:05, 8 August 2012 (CTS)


 * Please see my comment belowthis section is from an old discussion on the same topic. And, no, the 2012 media guide only recognizes one national championship, and three other undefeated seasons.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Rivals
I hope I am doing this correctly, as this is my first attempt at posting something here at Wikipedia.

I noticed that the Rivalries section included the Texas Longhorns, Baylor Bears, Texas Tech, and Arkansas. I was wondering why TCU, SMU, and LSU were left off the list. If the list is based on "football history," it would make sense to add them.

TCU - A&M has played TCU off-and-on since 1897, and played them last in 2001. http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/tcu.html

SMU - Started playing SMU in 1916 and played them last in 2005. http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/smu.html

LSU - A&M and LSU started playing regularly in 1899, and last played in 1995. http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/lsu.html

Ol&#39; Sarge (talk) 16:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)Ol' Sarge


 * You need a source that states that they are rivals. It has to be based on more than just the number of games played. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Is South Carolina considered a rival? I think it should be eliminated from the rival section. I think SMU should be added, though.Go Mizzou 21:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esb5415 (talk • contribs)

Just a suggestion, but inactive rivalries (Tech and UT) should be removed from the Rivals section of summary box at the top of the page. They can be discussed with all the other inactive rivals in that section but shouldn't be included in the summary box since they aren't played anymore so the status of "rival" isn't really there. I would also remove Missouri completely because I don't think anyone at A&M has ever considered them a rival game and temporarily being the "cross division opponent" for two years doesn't seem like it qualifies them as rivals either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.6.243.100 (talk) 19:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

football nav box discussion
The rigid standardization of football team nav box templates is being discussed at College football Wikiproject. Editors pursuing this standardization have already significantly altered the Texas A&M football navbox, and you may wish to review these changes and add your input. CrazyPaco (talk) 08:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Image deletion discussion
Relevant deletion discussion at .--GrapedApe (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

SEC Cross-division rivalries
On June 1, 2012, it was officially announced that Texas A&M would become cross-divisional rivals with the South Carolina Gamecocks from the SEC East so that Missouri could be paired with Arkansas as rivals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.31.77 (talk) 05:19, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Texas A&M claims one national championship
I have been following the edit wars on this page regarding Texas A&M's claims of football national championships for some time. Today I took the time to actually read the 2012 Texas A&M football media guide. It is perfectly clear that the A&M athletc department only claims the 1939 consensus national championship for which it was voted No. 1 in the final AP Poll of 1939. A&M could, but does not claim a share of the 1917, 1919 and 1927 national championships. Good for A&M. Unlike one or two other SEC schools (cough, cough, Bama, cough), A&M does not claim these bogus retroactive championships from 1910s and 1920s which were awarded years, if not several decades after the fact. If anyone has any doubt as to what A&M does and does not claim, please refer to numbered page 150 of the 2012 Texas A&M football media guide (page 152 of the PDF document), where it clearly states "National Championship Teams . . . 1 . . . 1939." It also recognizes the 1917 and 1919 teams as unbeaten and untied, and the 1927 team as unbeaten with a tie. That's how the A&M athletic department officially recognizes the 1917, 1919, 1927 and 1939 Aggies football teams. Let's quit claiming national championships on A&M's behalf which A&M itself does not claim. I would be grateful if other CFB editors would take the time to recognize these facts, and defend this page from further edit-warring. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, please refer to numbered page 150 of the 2012 Texas A&M football media guide (page 152 of the PDF document), where it clearly and unequivocally states "National Championship Teams . . . 1 . . . 1939." It also recognizes the 1917 and 1919 teams as unbeaten and untied, and the 1927 team as unbeaten with a tie.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * And again refer to numbered 157, 158 and 159 of the 2012 Texas A&M football media guide where it clearly list national championships teams for 1919, 1927 and 1939. Unless they are contradicting themselves, I think we should list national championships at three. Sullivan9211 (talk) 06:59, 28 August 2012 (CST)


 * The "National Champions" banners on the season records tables for 1919, 1927 and 1939 on pages 157, 158 and 159 of the 2012 media guide, with no further explanation, are ambiguous in light of the unequivocal statement "National Championship Teams . . . 1 . . . 1939" on page 150. If, in fact, the A&M athletic department is now officially claiming the 1919 and 1927 championships, they are contradicting themselves in the very same publication.  Even allowing for typos and work by overly enthusiastic junior staff, the media guide is as close to "official" as any publicly released document by a college athletic department gets.  I have emailed Alan Cannon, A&M's associate athletic for media relations, requesting a brief explanation of the A&M athletic department's official position.  I will post the relevant portions here when he responds, and I will be happy to accept his interpretation of A&M's own media guide, contradictions and all.  Presumably, you and Buffs will also accept Mr. Cannon's response as A&M's official position on point.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:43, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, this is WP:OR to find/put in such information and IS explicitly prohibited, though I appreciate the effort to get it right. However, I think it is worth pointing out that their site changed as well as cited by the second source which shows they DO claim 3 national championships: . In context, that's a subpage under www.aggieathletics.com -> History -> Championships.


 * You said "Even allowing for typos and work by overly enthusiastic junior staff, the media guide is as close to 'official' as any publicly released document by a college athletic department gets." I would concur and site that reason as why that line in minuscule text was left in there. When the other lines were changed. For now, I think it's appropriate to put that they claim 3 championships now and I'm changing accordingly because their official website claims 3 as well. Buffs (talk) 16:22, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Buffs, I think you're a little too invested in these 1919 and 1927 championships. It's a stretch to claim these retroactive championships in the first place, and it's contrary to A&M's previously published media guides.  Now, there's an obvious and glaring contradiction in the 2012 media guide, and the more specific statement on point says one national championship, not three.  In fact, nowhere in the media guide does it claim three; only the three banners on the season records tables support three.  Moreover, the banners on the season records tables lake specificity and any explanation.  And for what it's worth, a random "subpage" of the TexasAggies.com website is arguably not a reliable source, and it certainly is not independent of the subject material.  Your attempt to characterize the more specific statement as a mistake has no basis to back it up other than their your opinion.


 * As for the "original research," I suspect that if the shaky subpage cited by you as a "second source" does not represent the official athletic department position on point, it will probably either be deleted or modified in the near future. Hence, one of the purposes of my communication with Mr. Cannon.  Also, it's hard to see how the "official" position of the athletic department would not be relevant here, when the department has placed contradictory documents in the public eye, with virtually no explanation.  I have dealt with enough sports information departments to know that nothing is accurate and official unless and until they explicitly say it is.


 * I respectfully request that you revert the text of the page to what it was previously until this matter is resolved. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I just spoke by telephone with one of associate AD Alan Cannon's assistants in the A&M athletic department. The official position is A&M is now claiming the retroactive 1919 and 1927 national championships, but not the retroactive 1917 national championship.  He couldn't explain why A&M was not claiming 1917, too, but was very clear that this was a conscious decision of the athletic department.  (Maybe they will claim 1917 in the 2013 media guide.)  In any event, I'm done fighting this because the article clearly distinguishes between "claimed" and "recognized" national championships, and should continue to do so explicitly because the 1919 and 1927 "championships" were neither awarded contemporaneously with the conclusion of the seasons, nor recognized by a majority of the selectors.  I started out trying to defend this page from what I believed were misinformed boosterism edits, and it turns out A&M really is officially claiming 1919 and 1927.  That's all I've got to say.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Thanks for the confirmation! :-) Buffs (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * So titles from 1920s that were retroactively awarded by computer programs in the 1980s are now being claimed by Aggies in the 21st century? Too weird to be true.  Veritas KGB 14 November 2012


 * Yes, there is some truth in your characterization, Veritas, but that does not fully explain what has happened. Texas A&M is relying on the NCAA football record book which now includes all of the various MNC selector organizations, including the ones that have retroactively awarded MNCs.  Texas A&M is not alone in this.  If you review the college football national championship article, you will find that it's true.  Alabama is among the most notorious in claiming multiple retroactive national championships from the 1920s and early 1930s (before the AP Poll was started), but if you look at the long list of pre-1936 MNCs by the likes of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Michigan, Pittsburgh, etc., you can see that they are not alone.  Personally, I think retroactive MNCs are goofy, but the NCAA treats them with a measure of seriousness.


 * Also, I have reverted the addition of your new column in the national championship records table. First, it looked hideous graphically, and (2) it's unnecessary.  The history of A&M's championships is already explained in the text.  And remember: the "M" in "MNC" stands for "mythical."  Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

take out integration
I would like to take out the line under "Bear Bryant's" section that says "Bryant attempted to integrate the all-white Texas A&M squad. "We'll be the last football team in the Southwest Conference to integrate," he was told by a Texas A&M official. "Well," Bryant replied, "then that's where we're going to finish in football."[39] Although this is probably factually correct, I don't think it is relevant in today's times. It is actually embarrassing that Texas A&M had this position, as it applies. Mattscards (talk) 17:25, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

It might have validity to remain if there was reference to the Texas A&M's overall issues with integration it has had over the years (Ethnic, Non-military, Women, LBGTQ, etc.) from the main Texas A&M University Article (or a sub-article if it already exists). The school definitely has a place in the annals of questionable Ethnic relations: the first Academic President of the school was the former president of the CSoA, large collection of CSoA art still on display on campus, the entire history surrounding the Prairie View campus prior to the Civil Rights movement, but I agree that unless there is at least a stub somewhere else where Texas A&M integration issues is explained it should be removed.

Bog4rt (talk) 21:48, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Other Rivals: Southern Methodist University Mustangs
This tradition in the post Southwest Conference era ended up being applied to also former SWC rival Texas Tech during the Big 12 Conference era. Unless the system has identified this as a form of "garment hazing" and forced it out of practice there is probably another Academic Institution on the Texas A&M football schedule where this tradition has continued (would need active student body member to verify). Tradition may have also transferred into another sport given the chance to play either SMU, TTU, or other "cowboy-themed" systems at baseball, or basketball? Bog4rt (talk) 21:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2018
Changing the Uniforms to update the helmet ~ Mbj905 (talk)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2018
Bowl Games section - 2017 Belk Bowl Loss to Wake Forest 55-52 Jbsdnut (talk) 16:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks for helping to improve this article. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 17:03, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

History
Okay, I'll lead off, then.

Setting aside the edit-warring, the facts are clear: the part about the history behind the football team is just a bit too long and unwieldy to be acceptable, in this editor's opinion, absent significant truncation or removal to another page. I would prefer that most, if not all, of it be moved to another page, regarding the Aggies football history, with a severely-reduced paragraph or so detailing when it was established, maybe some highlights regarding players and coaches, etc. At most, possibly two paragraphs, or three.

So, if I may, I'd like to hear my fellow editors' opinions on this issue. Thoughts? &mdash; Javert2113 (talk) 02:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


 * What I would like to see (having tagged multiple History sections with the "too long section" template in multiple articles including this one), someone more familar and invested in this content port this article's History section to the new "History of" article w/ attribution and slim down all of the History sub-sections in this article. It's a CFB project-wide issue and not specific to this article. While not a crisis, it's just at a tipping point for cleanup of over-large History sections and narrowly WP:RECENTISM issues on steroids. UW Dawgs (talk) 03:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The History section is too long, too wordy, and pays far too much attention to the past 15 or so years. It could be whittled down to a useful size and stay right here.  JohnInDC (talk) 03:19, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * For instance. Giving each coach a heading, even for a sentence of text, seems excessive.  Surely several of those can be collapsed into longer periods - it'd make the ToC look better and would also ameliorate the foolishness of describing two and three year coaching tenures as "eras".  And the season-by-season recaps for later coaches (including lists of defeated opponents) could be substantially shortened.  JohnInDC (talk) 15:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes! I am a proponent of merging era sections specifically when they only contain a very limited tenure of a coach. The convention seems to have evolved into "every modern coach gets a section," when the convention should be more focussed on eras.  I am going to drop off of this thread, as we're diverging into RECENTISM and project-wide issues.  Again, support consolidating the History in this aricle and port the "current" history to the new article w/ sourcing attribution. UW Dawgs (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

1957 Gator Bowl link
Under Bowl games — link to 1957 Gator Bowl incorrectly points to the article for the 1958 Gator Bowl, not the ‘57 game against Tennessee. Jimmywhill (talk) 03:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the links. Thank you for the report. BlueAg09 (Talk) 20:29, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2019
under rivalries, in the LSU section, change the longest winning streak to end in 2018 as A&M broke the streak that year. 128.194.3.252 (talk) 16:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - ChrisWar666 (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, existing cite. 02:50, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

2010 big 12 conference champions
Texas A&M does not have any claim to the 2010 conference championship. Oklahoma beat Nebraska 23-20 in the conference championship game. 2600:387:1:824:0:0:0:A (talk) 15:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2023
The 21-22 season needs to be edited to reflect that Texas A&M qualified for the Gator Bowl against Wake Forest however the game had to be cancelled due to Covid-19 protocols within the team.

Source: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32924077/texas-aggies-pull-gator-bowl-college-football-game-due-covid-19-issues-program-sources-say 2601:2C3:C800:1EF0:587C:C886:7AE4:30E6 (talk) 17:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Spintendo  02:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

End of Jimbo Fisher era
Jimbo Fisher was fired a few weeks ago (November 12th) and since then Mike Elko has been named head coach. The "Jimbo Fisher era" header under history still lists his end year as present, which probably needs to be changed, and no Mike Elko era header has been added (not sure if this should change before his first season begins?). 24.32.151.170 (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)