Talk:Texas country music

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It should be considered Texas Country mainly because most of the acts from OK gained success here in Texas. Texas is mainly where they tour throughout the year, most even live here. Texas is the home for this genre with the heart of this scene spuring out from Austin.

Oklahoma might have a different group of artist but I see no difference or point in splitting the genre. If there was no Texas Country it's hard to say there would even be a Red Dirt music scene, since this is where alot of the musical influences originated. Either way atleast they put this genre as a spawn off of the Outlaw Movement genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.53.214.39 (talk) 07:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Easily most of the people in this "genre" are playing a version of southern rock or not-quite-the-blues with an enforced "twang." That's what happens when your genre is dominated by suburban born hipsters and fred durst wannabes.

The Red Dirt moniker survives because the style in OK is less of an affectation or a put on. It's a lot less "hollywood" and a lot more organic (I guess no one cares about signing that elusive "record deal" in OK). Style variation is a lot wider because in OK you'll have a lot of musicians playing in Red Dirt bands who also play in blues, funk, jazz, hip-hop and R&B groups as well. You don't see texas country bands covering steely dan because someone wrote it on the back of a $5 bill.

Musicians in both groups tend to be from all over the southwest, primarily Texas and Oklahoma. Hard to tell which has more... you can't swing a dead cat in Dallas, Denton, Lubbock or Austin without hitting an Okie.

Significant Edits
I've been putting a lot of work into trying to take some of the POV from the article and to polish some of the writing. You can see that when Texas Rocks a Freshman Lit. Term Paper from some Texas college. A Term Paper that likely received a B+. I'm not saying it was bad, but it still had room for improvement.

I've cleaned up the references to follow Wikipedia's reference standards and tried to standardize the term as "Texas Country" throughout the article as the double capitals is how it was expressed in the topic sentence (and I personally think it looks better as a proper noun.)

Lastly, I marked this and the Red Dirt (music) article for merging. It'd be awesome if someone would volunteer to do that part as I don't know much about music from North of the Red River.

I welcome further suggestions and ANY help. Long, Tall Texan 19:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Texas Country vs. Red Dirt
There is a "competing" article at Red Dirt (music) that is essentially the same thing. I believe that we need to merge these together somehow. This is what I wrote in the discussion page of Red Dirt:

'In Texas this type of music, made in either Texas or Oklahoma is called Texas Country - "Red Dirt Music" is used primarily (I would say only) by Okies. Also, the folks working out of Lubbock, Fort Worth, and Austin might not like the fact that "Red Dirt" music eminates from Stillwater. I believe this article (and others) reflects the views of someone from Oklahoma who believes that the genre is Oklahoman - it is equally (if not more in the end) derived from Texas and its LONG musical tradition. (Before any Okie gets mad, yes I am from Texas, but the roots of this music are Texan: from Bob Wills to Willie and Waylon to Jerry Jeff to Robert Earl to the bands that have sprung up in Texas AND Oklahoma since the mid 1990s.'

I believe, if you do a Google search for "Red Dirt music" vs. "Texas country music", you get far more links for the latter. Any suggestions?

TuckerResearch 20:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion from Red Dirt (music)
Keep it Acurate and Historical After working on looking at the history and evolution going back to Woody Guthrie time, to totally delete the Red Dirt Music page and merge it into Texas Country would blur or delete this lineage. My vote is to keep Red Dirt Music active with link to Texas Country. Sharonbrain Jan 2008

This is just cut and pasted from the discussion at Red Dirt (music) - TuckerResearch 20:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

More Texan than Oklahoman I agree with TuckerResearch that the article describes a genre that is usually affiliated with Texas rather than Oklahoma. The term "Red Dirt" seems to be used in popular contexts (e.g., on XM radio's X-Country or KHYI out of Plano, TX to refer to only a handful of bands from OK such as Cross Canadian Ragweed, Stoney Larue, and No Justice. Musically, there seems to be no great distinction between artists in this genre and those that are often referred to as Texas Country or "hard country." Seeing that the better known artists in listed on this page (save for CCR and Stoney Larue), the biggest of these artists (Smith Music Group), and the "elder statesmen" (Ray Wylie Hubbard and Robert Earl Keen) are all out Texas and strongly associated with that state, I think the Red Dirt moniker is inapt. Texas country or hard country seem more appropriate. I think it's better to talk about the Red Dirt "scene" rather than genre, much as the word is used to describe groups of artists from Austin or Houston.

For the record, I'm a Midwesterner living in Virginia, so I have no dog in the TX/OK fight.

This doesn't have to be a TX/OK fight. I am a proud native Texan, and will never leave, but I also know that there is a lot of great Country coming out of Oklahoma. (I am a huge Stoney fan) I believe that what is most important here is the Red Dirt artists and their fans are showing Nashville that we don't have to depend on their carbon-copy crap anymore.

I agree, but.... I agree, a lot of good music comes out of Oklahoma, but I'm saying most people don't call it "Red Dirt Music," they call it "Texas Country" or "Texas Music." I too love Stoney Larue. I am objecting to calling it "Red Dirt Music," or this quote from the article: "Red Dirt is a rising genre of music based in and around Stillwater, Oklahoma." That is patently false. And "Stillwater is the 'Nashville' of Red Dirt music"? You can replace Stillwater with Fort Worth, Austin, or Lubbock and it would be more truthful, but probably still not correct. It is a flexible "genre" out of many bases. But "Red Dirt Music"? There are Texas Music Charts: http://www.texasmusicchart.com/ - there is a Texas Music Magazine: http://www.texasmusicchart.com/. There is no such thing for "Red Dirt Music."

I am for merging this article with Texas County and noting that it is also called "Red Dirt Music" in some circles, especially those out of Oklahoma. Also, the Red Dirt article is just a list of band and artist names, but the Texas Country article is actually an encyclopedia article.

TuckerResearch 20:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Seriously
Why do Texans feel the need to attach their name to everything country? Keep it Red Dirt Country, then it encompasses both states and gives ample recognition to each. Wellsurewhynot (talk) 05:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know where you get that Texans attach there name to everything country, but okay?...I think Texas Country and Red Dirt are different, the music sounds alike, it is just in 2 different states. Red Dirt is named after the red dirt in the soil in Oklahoma, and north Texas, but I also usually consider Cross Canadian Ragweed as Texas Country, even though they're from Oklahoma. I consider Texas Country anybody from Texas or Oklahoma, but there is no name combining them both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.32.139.57 (talk) 09:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

if the music sounds alike and the only difference is an arbitrary border, then why would one need a separate name for it? it sounds the same! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.70.63 (talk) 00:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Can we all just get along!!!!! It's great music, let's just enjoy it for what is. I don't think that okies and texans will ever budge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.200.14 (talk) 22:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Links to Texas Country/Red Dirt sites.
http://www.todaystexascountry.com

Improving this article
There is probably a good article in here, but it reads a bit like a personal essay. More citations to support the points made would also help as at the moment it is difficult to tell if the points made are just opinions.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 09:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Note on footnotes
The second footnote no longer links to a page that contains the quote being footnoted, at least as far as I can tell. I did a little google-ing and found what looks like it might be the origianl Kevin Fowler biography that the quote was pulled from: http://www.grabow.biz/Country/Kevin-Fowler.htm This is my first time posting a correction on ol' wikipedia; I don't really know the protocol, so I thought I'd note this here instead of just going and changing the page (I'd go read up on the guidelines, but I really need to get back to my finals-studying). [04May2010]

Notes on my edits
I have conducted research on the instruments used in Country Music and the information seems to be correct but needs a citation added to show credibility. The section also needs some more information over more instruments in Country music. I have also gone into the article and added on to the Themes section since I thought there wasn’t enough information on that topic. Another thing I have done is I have also gone into each section and put credible citations or linked things to a website or a person. Since this problem was addressed in the talk page by SabreBD. For example, In the Live Performances, I added links to a few of the venues and I also added 2 more venues I knew about. I also didn’t plan on working on the sections: Notable Artists and Radio Stations but I went ahead and made some edits. For the Radio Stations section, I added a few more radio stations from the Dallas- Fort Worth Area and I also added more Country artists in the Notable Artist.

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