Talk:Texas hold 'em pre-flop basic strategy

Error in table
09:41, 18 July 2005 User:Apoc2400: Something must be wrong with the table. AT unsuited is listed as group 3, while AT suited is only group 7.

Correct. That was a typo. ATs should be in group 3. Good catch. --NickKovacs 18:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Opinion? Consensus?
66.167.136.48 14:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC): This article looks like it violates the no original research policy. If this analysis represents the consensus of a set of experts, it should be identified as such. Since it claims to be an article on basic strategy, the content needs to be more authoritative.
 * I think this would be more acceptable if an explanation of the origins of the system were presented. The author should be given some time (a month?) to provide at least the beginnings of that. I'll contact them. Mr. Jones 09:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

This looks like it'd be more appropriate for Wikibooks' poker guide. They already have a pretty detailed guide to pre-flop play at b:Poker:Hold'em, though. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 08:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Is this correct? combinations of 2 starting cards does not equal 2704
Is this correct? "For the two starting cards there are 2704 combinations of rank and suit."

The combination of two starting cards possible is 52 choose 2 = 52*51/2=1326.

2704=52^2... which is > than the number of permutations of starting cards.


 * Also, how can 9 10 Suited be amongst one of the weakest starting hands? 70.111.224.85 19:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Erm, the table doesn't claim it is. Rich  Farmbrough. 23:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

de-jargonification

 * Raise the blinds in late position, limp in early position, fold mid-position. Call if short stacked, or if the amount is small.

The article seems full of jargon of this sort which is familiar to poker players but a mystery to everyone else. A de-jargonizing pass would be appreciated. Thanks - Tempshill 00:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not even sure it belongs on Wikipedia. It looks like more of a Wikibook to me. - Motor (talk) 00:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Problems with this article
First, this topic isn't encyclopedic. I don't see how an "encyclopedic treatment" of this topic is even possible, as there are too many pre-flop strategies to address in an encyclopedia article. It should be taken to Wikibooks.

Second, authorship and copyright. I'm sure that taking someone's system wholesale, then tweaking it with a few mods along the way, is not legitimate article content.

Third, "recommended"???? WTF? Encyclopedias have no opinions or recommendations! This entire section is improper content. Wikibooks can express opinions or recommendations, not Wikipedia. It's not NPOV.

Finally, if this article is to stay, it must remain a general discussion of strategy, and not specific player instructions. Discussion of various detailed ranking systems could be appropriate, however, the article (if it must exist) should be an overview of the fact that a strategy is needed, then a description of what a strategy is, then perhaps general examples of such. Un focused  20:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the article is totally inappropriate. I have it my list to move it to a hand groups article, which would be accurate.  There definitely should be no pre flop strategy article. I'll move it in the next day or so. 2005 20:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)