Talk:Thatchers Cider

Fair use rationale for Image:LogoThatchers.jpg
Image:LogoThatchers.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 12:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Resolved. --TimTay (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The name Thatcher is quite common in Somerset, indeed there was a 'Thatcher's Brewery' in the 19th. century who built and owned quite a number of public houses near Bath including the 'Wellow Inn' at Dunkerton (subsequently turned into a farmhouse and occupied by another Mr. Thatcher). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.180.97 (talk) 22:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

corrections please
Hi everyone, my name's Rupert Janisch and I work for Thatchers Cider. We're keen to update our Wikipedia page to make it up to date and there are a few factual inaccuracies, incorrect terminologies and out-of-date logos, pictures, etc.

Here are my proposed changes:

Logo: the current logo is out-of-date, there is a new one available online.

top line: "Thatchers Cider is a cider maker based at Sandford in North Somerset, England." (cider maker is correct terminology)

"The current managing director is Martin Thatcher, fourth generation in the family of Somerset cider makers." (new paragraph)

History: pic caption, change to "Thatchers Traditional dry draught cider in a pint glass, as served in a pub" (caps removed)

remaining paragraphs, change to "His son Stanley Thatcher, born in 1910, began selling draught cider to pubs in Somerset and the company’s presence in the area grew. "Today, Thatchers Cider is popular throughout the UK and is increasingly sought after overseas too. "The company is still family owned and produces traditional craft ciders. It has 360 acres of its own orchard in Somerset, as well as using apples from other growers in the area. "Alongside its bush orchards, Thatchers has pioneered a method of growing its apple trees in a hedgerow style. Trained on wires, this enables easier harvesting and also helps to ensure the fruit has the optimum combination of sunlight and rain. Over 25,000 tonnes of fruit are pressed each year. Thatchers also maintains a special exhibition orchard in which over 500 different varieties of apple tree are grown. "Many of the traditional ciders produced at Myrtle Farm are matured in 100-year-old oak vats, which gives the cider a distinctive taste." (these are factual changes, accuracies and correct terminology)

Brands: picture - this existing picture is a bottle no longer in production. Suggest it should be changed to a bottle of Thatchers Gold, with appropriate caption

Change brands paragraphs (current ones are out of date and inaccurate) to "There are several brands of Thatchers cider. These are categorised by the cider maker as: •	Single Varietal Cider, where only one type of apple is used. Examples have included Cox's, Katy, Thatchers Rosé, Somerset Redstreak and Tremletts Bitter, many of which were old Somerset varieties. These ciders are sold in 500ml bottles. •	Premium, including Thatchers Gold, Green Goblin, Thatchers Vintage and Old Rascal. Thatchers Vintage is made from the best apples from each harvest. •	Fruit and Pear, including Thatchers Pear Cider and Ciderberry. •	Draught Ciders, sold in pubs in Thatchers West Country heartland, as well as increasingly throughout the UK.[1] Ciders available on draught include Traditional, Heritage, Cheddar Valley, Gold, Old Rascal and Pear."

References - all info is from http://www.thatcherscider.co.uk/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by RupertJanisch (talk • contribs) 09:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the trouble to comment on the article. I wish more companies would take the trouble to do that on the article's talk page instead of diving in and making their own changes. I would be happy to assist with most of the changes, but would really appreciate a pointer to any resource online or in print that confirmed the history/timeline, e.g. William --> Stanley --> John --> Martin. Also, is there anything that confirms the blackcurrant pressing? --Bob Re-born (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Bob, thanks for the swift reply. The family history is here http://www.thatcherscider.co.uk/the-family/the-thatcher-family.ashx (you'll need to pass the site's age verification page to get in). As to the blackcurrants - I presume you mean the bit about Ribena? I don't know whether it's actually blackcurrants that we press or if Ribena contains some apple juice, but I know that we do press some fruit for them. The sentence was there from a previous contributor so I can't provide a reference as to their source, I'm afraid. Hope that's all OK for you, Rupert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RupertJanisch (talk • contribs) 14:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I've made a start on editing the article using some of the text above. I can't do anything about images until the relevant images are uploaded & suitably licenced.&mdash; Rod talk 18:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rod, Thanks so much for making the changes, it's much appreciated. Could you correct the paragraphs on the Brands section - everything after the speech marks after Pear"... should be deleted as the information is out-of-date and inaccurate. I'll get the photos uploaded as soon as poss and let you know. Best wishes, 2.102.5.144 (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * How about keeping the old brands, as people may want to look them up? What is inaccurate?&mdash; Rod talk 08:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. While improvements suggested by the company are useful, the article is not an advert / brochure for them to add-to or remove-from at their will. Keeping old products is useful. --Bob Re-born (talk) 08:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, I've uploaded the images now - is the up-to-date logo and there's a current product image here. Regarding the text, I agree it's good to have previous brands included as well - appreciate it's not an advert but my issue is including them in the Brands paragraph, especially since some are duplicated in the article and others are implied as being currently available when in fact they're not. Also, ALL Thatchers cider is "made from the pure juice of apples" (apart from the Pear and fruit varieties). And Mendip Scrumpy is not currently available in supermarkets in 2l bottles.

Can I suggest we have a Current Brands paragraph, including what's been inserted and ending at the speech marks I suggested before. Perhaps include a line at the bottom saying "Some of Thatchers draught ciders are available in the Thatchers shop at Myrtle Farm in Sandford." Then perhaps include a Former Brands paragraph afterwards, with: "Thatchers has also produced these ciders in the past: Traditional bottled ciders, such Premium Press and White Magic. Bottled Scrumpy, such as Mendip Scrumpy and Somerset Draught (sold in jugs and bottles) In April 2007 Thatchers produced a special Wurzel Me cider in honour of local musical group The Wurzels.[9] Thatchers produce ciders for other companies, notably Black Rat, available as a sparkling or cloudy draught cider, and sold under the name of the Moles Brewery in Melksham, Wiltshire.[10] Thatchers also press juice from apples and other fruit for a number of companies for use in products such as Ribena.[1]"

Hope that covers all the bases? How does it sound to you? RupertJanisch (talk) 16:27, 6 February 2013 (UTC)