Talk:The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr./Archive 1

Theme Song?
Anyone know where I could find a .wav, .mp3, or anything of this song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Reject (talk • contribs)
 * I'm guessing it would be easier to find if you looked for the Olympics theme, since it was reused for that... ;) &mdash; RevRagnarok  Talk Contrib 18:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

"Socrates' Sister"
Any idea why this episode was put out-of-order on the DVDs? --Bark 17:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the DVDs are in filming order, which was the same as airing order except for that episode. Franzeska 17:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It creates a bit of a continuity problem. Pete is shown alive and well in Socrates' Sister without an explanation.  (If you remember, he was shot and presumed killed in the pilot.)  In the episode Brisco in Jalisco, he is shown alive and well.  Brisco assumes he was dead and asks how he is alive.  Pete gives the explanation.  That episode aired before Socrates' Sister and was the first occassion we saw Pete after the pilot.  It makes sense for Brisco to ask him for that episode.  Now by printing the DVDs in the new episode order, we have Brisco asking Pete about how he survived in the wrong episode; it's too late.


 * Not that I mind too much. It's just interesting and mildly amusing.  Outside of the orb arc and John Astin's moustache, that may be the only episode to cause a continuity problem when seen out of order.  :-)  --Bark 18:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In the commentary on the dvd, they mention that Pete was supposed to die off in the pilot, but was so entertaining that they ended up bringing him back to life. 67.182.147.140 05:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Shotgun/Rifle
On this article, it says that bowler's shotgun was re-used later in firefly, but on the related Firefly article clearly says that the gun is a rifle. Can anyone explain this? If not, I suggest that we remove both statements until they can be verified. Mooseofshadows 02:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure there's a contradiction - the main difference between shotguns and rifles is that the former is generally smoothbored and fires a single shotgun round and the latter has a rifled barrel (and there are also rifled shotguns). Externally, they can look kind of the same, so a prop used as a shotgun in one show can be used as a rifle in another. We can probably just say the prop was used as a shotgun in Brisco but a rifle in Firefly. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The shotgun is double-barreled and sawed off, it looks nothing like a rifle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.162.230 (talk • contribs)


 * I agree that the Brisco prop looks somewhat different from the Firefly prop. Could it have been modified?  I see that the imdb lists them as the same, but do we have another source for that?  Franzeska 17:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Lord Bowler did indeed use a sawed-off shotgun, double barrel. The weapon used on Firefly was a cut-back rifle, also known as a Mare's Leg. Both can be, and are, real weapons and not simply props that were made for a series or a movie. A company that makes a Mare's Leg can be found at http://www.jbcustom.com/mares.htm if someone cares to look. Under terms of the ATF however a Mare's Leg is classed as a 'pistol' and not a rifle per say. This is due to the weapon design and function. The Mare's Leg was the iconic weapon used in the series Wanted: Dead or Alive. The entry in the main page that says the prop was reused needs to be removed since it is clearly wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.62 (talk • contribs)


 * Double-checking the cited text, it doesn't refer to Bowler's weapon, but rather to Mare's Legs made for Briscoe. Shsilver 14:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanx for double checking (and updating) the ref. &mdash; RevRagnarok  Talk Contrib 14:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I was just watching the show, and while Bowler does use a double-barreled shotgun, the bountyhunter Crystal Hawks (in the episode "Crystal Hawks") DOES use a Mare's Leg. This is where the prop that was later reused in Firefly came from. Tzarium (talk) 14:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I have always heard, from people who worked on Firefly, the the prop in Firefly was Bowler's weapon. The stock was cut down for various reasons which I don't remember. I think the property master, Randy Eriksen, was in charge of this. But rest assured, the Brisco and the Firefly props are, indeed, the same. Gingermint (talk) 03:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

the dvd release topic
I had updated the dvd release topic. -majinsnake- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majinsnake (talk • contribs) 00:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Concerning the DVD release and the issue of including the bit about Gord Lacy, I put it in because it seemed appropriate for an encyclopedia. Lacy's argument that his website had some influence on the dvd release is also supposed by the fact that he was invited to talks about the dvd release and also to attend the taping of some of the dvd extras.Astrocog (talk) 13:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Gang Members
The plot discussion seems to point out there is an inconsistency between the nine members of Bly's Gang caught on screen and the thirteen members of the gang stated. Now I've only just finished watching the pilot but were the four members of Big Smith's gang who shot themselves in the crossfire the "missing four" who seem to be unaccounted for in the list? Certainly Pete Hutter was in the cave with Bly when they were discussing plans from robbing the train. ~ Brother William (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Cancellation
The article at present doesn't discuss the show's abrupt cancellation or the reasons therefor. Has this been talked about anywhere in the media or on the DVD commentaries? Robert K S (talk) 19:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It was low ratings that got the show cancelled. It was liked by critics and fans pushed hard to keep the series on, which may be why the show lasted longer than a typical single season.  I'll be adding info with citations on this soon. Astrocog (talk) 15:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Lead Section
I have updated the lead section because of the note saying that it was possibly inadequate. As the article is updated and expanded, the lead section can be as well. I have done some extensive legwork to get citation sources for the article, and I will be updating it with these soon. Astrocog (talk) 15:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, can any Wikipedians with more experience say whether or not it's ok to delete the "too short" note at the top of the article now? Astrocog (talk) 15:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove this note, since the lead is expanded. Astrocog (talk) 01:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Reception Section
I have added a section for critical reception to the article. So far, I have a few paragraphs about critical review of the show's pilot episode, with references cited. I have references gathered for reviews of the show during the broadcast year and also the DVD release, and will be adding those soon. Astrocog (talk) 01:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I added more information on critical reviews and reception, this time for articles published during the general broadcast run.Astrocog (talk) 01:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Plot Section
The plot section is very weak, and is the next part of the article I plan to tackle. I'm still working out how to do it. It doesn't make sense to recount each episode, but a good summary of the pilot, the orb arc, Brisco's dealings with the Bly gang, and perhaps a summary of the final two episodes would be good. Any suggestions?Astrocog (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've reworked the Plot section. It would be nice to have an addition to it that describes the two of the main themes of the show: "The Coming Thing", and how the show was played "just under over-the-top."Astrocog (talk) 00:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added significantly to the plot section, adding a subsection called "Signature Show Elements," along with references.Astrocog (talk) 00:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Cast Section
I removed the Characters section and replaced it with a Cast section. Rather than just a list of characters, the section now is partitioned into Main and Recurring Characters. With this new section, there is no longer a need for the big supporting characters paragraph I wrote for the Plot section, so I removed it. I retained the Guest Stars paragraph, for lack of a better option at the moment. I think the guest stars paragraph can be reworked and tightened up.Astrocog (talk) 16:48, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed guest star section, as I don't see enough significant coverage of the guest stars in the sources. Every show has guest stars, but apart from the recurring characters, I don't see a need for a section listing all the various guest stars.Astrocog (talk) 21:46, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Broadcast History Section
Most good television articles don't have an episode section that is as ungainly as this one. It's a long section, and I think it's an eyesore. As much as I personally love Brisco, I don't think we need this accounting of every episode. That's what IMDB is for. Unless there are objections, I plan to replace the big episode list with a more spartan table.Astrocog (talk) 16:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, well, I have commented out the big, unwieldy episode table and replaced it with something more sparse. I'm leaving it commented out for now because it might be appropriate to create a separate page for the episode list, as has been done with other shows, such as Firefly and Freaks and Geeks. Both of those shows lasted less than one season, and they have multiple subpages. However, I'm not interested in tackling a subpage just yet. It's been a lot of work just working on this one!Astrocog (talk) 03:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Removing it entirely makes no sense at all. I put it back. DreamGuy (talk) 19:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The episode list wasn't removed entirely. It was changed to a simple listing of episodes. Now there is both, which is even more clutter than before. What about my comments above, regarding having some subpages for the episodes. That would be preferable than the previous table.Astrocog (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Additionally, the episode summaries in the old table were not very good. I would rather have the old table commented out as a placeholder for future improvement in a subpage, rather than have a second episode list with weak writing.Astrocog (talk) 00:22, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Production Section
I've added a Background/Production section, to help the article conform to the guidelines of WP:TELEVISION. I put it first in the article because it makes sense to keep the article chronological.Astrocog (talk) 21:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Title Card
I changed the promotional poster in the infobox to the show's title card. Two reasons: the promo poster is nearly the same as a b/w promo poster used later in the same article. There is no need for such duplication. Also, a screenshot of the show's actual title card seems appropriate, and is common with other tv show articles, even ones with FA status. I like the color promo poster, though. Perhaps it could be used instead of the b/w poster in the Reception section?Astrocog (talk) 21:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)