Talk:The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr./Archive 2

Brisco County, Jr. (character) page now live
I have started a page for the character of Brisco. It is a work in progress, but hopefully it will grow into a quality article like this one. At the moment it needs to be looked at by somebody besides me to remove the "unreviewed" tag.AstroCog (talk) 19:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Questions before GAC

 * 1) Who refers to the series as just "Brisco" or "Brisco County"? If it's not a significant number of people then this probably needs to go.
 * 2) You have a quote box and an image in the "Concept" section. Per the MOS on image placement, you shouldn't sandwich text in between two visual aids. One either needs to be dropped completely, or moved somewhere else. Given that the image doesn't have text directly related to the section I would suggest moving/dropping it.
 * 3) Watch the 1 and 2 sentence paragraphs. Most paragraphs should be between 5 and 7 sentences (unless they are long compound sentences).
 * 4) Watch the cramming of visual and auditory aids. You have a lot going on in the page and at times those aids are bleeding together or bleeding into the next section. Think about where you can drop certain aids (e.g., eliminating a quote box and putting the quote directly in the prose to help beef the section up) or just moving them slightly down the section so as to not interfere with other aids or the previous/proceeding section.

These are just a few suggestions that I had time to do.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestions! I have a few questions for follow-up:

Again, thanks for taking the time to look over this. I see you also made useful tweaks to the Brisco character article, too. Much appreciated. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 21:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. Many sources refer to the show with the shorter name, including critics and people involved with the series. Several quotes in the article support this. I can add more to specifically reference the claim, if you think that is necessary.
 * 2. Which image are you referring to? The one of Carlton Cuse?
 * 4. I think one or two of the images could go. I tried to get rid of the newspaper ad, but the editor who uploaded it obviously *really* wants it here and I decided not to pick a fight.
 * 4. Can you give some specific examples where the images/text get crammed together. It may be that I view webpages on a large screen, so things aren't compressed so much for me.


 * Just put some sources next to the statement so that anyone reading will know that it wasn't simply called "Brisco" by fans who didn't want to recite the whole name.


 * Yes, the image of Carlton Cuse is what I was referring to. I mean, technically the same thing is happening with the motorcycle image but it's less sandwichy than the Carlton image. As for the cramming, a lot of it is simple positioning within the paragraph. I've taken care of most of them (exception the Carlton image). It would be nice if there was more music info so that the audio sample doesn't bleed into the next section because that's just an asthetic issue.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  21:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I created a note to explain the use of Brisco for shorthand. I also played a bit with the quote boxes and the paragraphs. I think it looks a bit better. I agree that in the Plot section, there might be a bit of visual aid cramming, but I guess it doesn't bother me so much. I think both images are needed for a reader completely unfamiliar with the series. The Orb is so hard to describe in words, and the image of a cowboy on a motorcycle is a perfect way to demonstrate the anachronistic nature of the show. As for the quote box, I dunno. I like having quotes broken up so that the paragraphs aren't too quote-y, if that makes any sense. AstroCog (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Pre-FAC comments
Hello! Per the request on my talk page, I'm going to outline some pre-FAC comments. Feel free to ask if you need explanation or clarification, as this page is going on my watchlist. Also, I should warn you that this list should not be considered comprehensive, particularly given my lack of familiarity with the topic.
 * File:TheAdventuresOfBriscoCountyJropeninglogo.jpg: good idea to mention in the FUR that this is the main infobox image, and you're required to specify who holds copyright to this image
 * File:TheAdventuresOfBriscoCountyJr_TheOrb.jpg: purpose of use could be expanded. Why is this important? What information do we get from the image that could not be conveyed by text alone?
 * File:Randy_Edelman_-_Theme_from_The_Adventures_of_Brisco_County_Jr.ogg: should provide length of original sampled work
 * File:BriscoAd.jpg: need more in general. Who holds copyright? Purpose of use should be much more explicit about why this image is useful
 * I haven't checked this, but you should make sure the article contains no inadvertent WP:Close paraphrasing. I don't mean to accuse you of anything - like I said, I didn't check, but this will get checked at FAC, and I've seen good-faith editors fall on it
 * Be very careful about phrases like "Poole's timid personality initially clashes with Brisco's laid-back demeanor, but the two men eventually bond through many shared investigations" - you're opening yourself up to accusations of WP:OR
 * "Kay Gardella wrote in the New York Daily News (New York)" - redundant
 * As a general point, try to make the article as accessible as possible to readers unfamiliar with your topic
 * Don't link things in See also already linked in article text
 * Don't italicize place names or quotes
 * FN 1: ISBN?
 * Check for minor inconsistencies like doubled periods
 * Be consistent in whether ISBNs are hyphenated or not
 * FN 24: is this source paginated?
 * Don't include cited sources in External links. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nikkimaria, thanks a bunch for this review! I've started to fix some things that you mentioned here. One thing I need help with: "Don't italicize places names or quotes". Can you give specific examples in the article? The only times I see this are when there are works being mentioned in a quote, and the individual work is italicized, e.g. "The orb was like the black rectangle in 2001,..." Is that incorrect usage, or did you mean something else? Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 23:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * One example would be the one I called "redundant": Daily News (New York). The "New York" portion, if kept, should be unitalicized. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:41, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the above issues should be taken care of now. Concerning the potential OR from the synopsis section, it's within MOS:TV to include this kind of summary, with the assumption that the reference is the show or film itself. However, during FAC review, I'll see what reviewers say and can possibly makes adjustments as necessary. AstroCog (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

My comments: The summary is pretty thin. I suppose you were trying to avoid being too crufty, as many articles about TV shows are little more than plot summaries, but seeing as there are no individual episode summaries, there is room to expand a bit, and mention notable episodes in more detail. And in particular, to explain who and what Bly is, as that was pretty important in the first half of the series. There is no need to avoid spoilers. Barsoomian (talk) 10:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was trying to avoid cruft. Again, my model was Firefly, which has a fairly spartan summary. I wasn't trying to avoid spoilers, but the information about Bly and the Orb are dealt with in the article in a way so that a general reader understands that the Orb is weird and Bly wants it to travel to the future. Concerning a detailed plot, I am planning to create a separate "List of Brisco episodes" page, which will be a stand-alone article, with plot summaries, writer and director info, etc. Having that as something to point to will help alleviate the desire by some to have that awful looking episode list that used to be on the page, or to have a minutely detailed plot. That said, I'm open to adding some specific plot points that are very important for a general reader to understand the show while reading the article. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 20:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Firefly has both a List of episodes page, and articles for each episode, but here there is neither. In their absence, adding a few paragraphs to the current article would not be excessive, and could be moved to a separate article later should that happen. As for plot, I  think that both Bly and the Orb being from the future are important points. (Which implies that it's advanced technology, not "supernatural", though that may be SYN unless it's stated in the show.)  But I leave it up to you, I'm not a big fan and have only watched about half the series myself. Otherwise, I note the separate "Broadcast #" column in your episode table is redundant to the "Date aired" column. You could mention the episodes broadcast out of order in the text and why, if you know. Barsoomian (talk) 04:10, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Science fiction Western
Why isn't this tv show described as a science fiction Western, rather than the more unwieldy description western/science fiction? This show is definitively a sci-fi western. ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive 01:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it was me that introduced that description, and I don't have a strong preference either way, but an argument could be made to keep western / science fiction: Brisco has sci-fi elements in much of the series, but it isn't strictly a sci-fi western, since there are significant stretches of the show that don't involve much sci-fi at all, e.g. the last third of the series. AstroCog (talk) 14:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Episode Guide
Go to hell, quit deleting the much needed episode guide! I worked hard to make it up to date and include prominent guest stars!!! 67.246.145.67 (talk) 01:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That kind of attitude isn't going to get you anywhere. Please read WP:BRD. ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive  02:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do not keep adding this episode list to the article. This is a featured article and the episode list you keep adding was removed long ago, and it is not featured article quality. I agree that there should be an episode list for this show, but I don't think this article is the place for it. There should be a separate list article with the episodes. I have a placeholder for this purpose: User:Astrocog/List_of_%27%27The_Adventures_of_Brisco_County,_Jr.%27%27_episodes So it is definitely in the queue to happen. If you're not patient enough for me to complete that list article, then work on it yourself, but please don't keep this edit war going. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 01:25, 14 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Why not just put your "placeholder" article in normal article space? It looks good enough to me. Linking to it isn't going to harm this article. If we had to wait until every article was perfect and complete before putting it online, there wouldn't be many articles here at all. It's not really collaborative to tell others to go ahead and post their own version if you're intending to just paste your own version over it and replace it later on. Barsoomian (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. Made the move, so it's in main space now. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 18:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

R. Lee Ermey
R. Lee Ermey occasionally shows up as the ghost (???) of Brisco's father. This isn't mentioned in the article, so I've added an x-ref. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 22:33, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * He showed up in one scene in the pilot, and then again in one more episode as a ghost. Thanks for adding the wikilink! Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)