Talk:The Amazing Digital Circus/Archive 1

Genre
The show should not be listed as "surreal comedy". The only source for this is the description on Glitch's website calling it a "surreal dark comedy", but we can't say for certain that "surreal" is modifying "comedy" there. If there are no objections I will remove the surreal comedy category. Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Notability
I disagree with you assessment that the article's notability is questionable. After all, there are currently six sources cited in the article. It has received significant coverage in six reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which establishes presumed notability per WP:GNG. While more sources would obviously be better, and the article does need work, I don't think it's fair to call it non-notable. As such, I will remove the notability template. If you disagree, please discuss here so we can come to a consensus. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The amount of sources mean nothing. Only two of those six are even vetted.
 * HITC hasn't been discussed but based on my own analysis seems to be of a similar level of source quality to Screen Rant, not usable to demonstrate notability.
 * The Mary Sue says barely says anything. It's basically "did you know you can watch this show?"
 * Cartoon Brew is unvetted but doesn't seem to have anything that leads me to believe it to be reliable. No credentials in sight for anyone but the founder, but the founder didn't make the article used here.
 * Yahoo Finance says "it's popular on the internet!" and says nothing else.
 * Know Your Meme is unreliable. Even if you say "it's written by editorial staff", the article is four sentences long.
 * The Beat is unvetted.
 * I find it unsafe to use any unvetted source (unless blatantly obvious) to demonstrate notability, so we are left with two sources. Of which barely say anything besides it was popular on the Internet. I tried to look for more sources myself, and there was so little that DeviantArt somehow popped up on Google News results for it. Even if The Beat was vetted, only one critical review would exist. I won't be taking this to a deletion discussion as I don't edit animation related subjects and there is a chances sources appear later on, but for now I've reinstated the Notability tag per WP:TOOSOON. This subject seems to be a WP:SIGCOV failure at this current point in time. Negative  MP1  22:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Negative. You're missing the key part of GNG: WP:SIGCOV. The sources aren't really reliable or sig cov. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze&#95;&#95;wolf 02:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment Reliable sources (per WP:RSP) Yahoo! and The Mary Sue seems to be SIGCOV in my opinion. They dedicated an entire article to the series. They talk about plot, release, reception, and more. The title of the Mary Sue article is strange, but it goes beyond just telling where to watch it literally. Skyshifter  talk  03:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * That's only 2 sources. Usually the minimum is 3. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze&#95;&#95;wolf 15:33, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd personally also consider the unvetted ones, especially Cartoon Brew, but apparently there's no consensus for that. Skyshifter   talk  16:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 * According to WikiProject Animation, Cartoon Brew is considered a reliable source, and I've seen it cited in other reliable sources such as Variety and The Hollywood Reporter. I'd definitely say it's reliable, and I'm genuinely surprised there are people who think it isn't. Aside from the occasional blunder that virtually every reliable source makes once in a while, it's a pretty reputable news site. So that's WP:THREE in my opinion. PantheonRadiance (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I found two sources for this article which I'm not sure we should use it for this. The first one was from Ruetir which the source was explaining about everything you need to know about the series, but I also found that a user said that the source's website is blacklisted on Wikipedia and the second one was from In The Know which it explain why people are obsessed over it and everything else, but I found nothing so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 00:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I forget to link the sources just so you all know so here sources: Ruetir (Ruetir can't be link so it can't work) and In The Know. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 00:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In The Know is the same as the Yahoo one. Skyshifter   talk  01:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also adding that Looper is unreliable per WP:VG/S due to a churnalism and repurposing problem. I wouldn't use it. Spinixster   (chat!)  02:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding onto this to help contribute, I added a source from Forbes, editors please feel free to use it as I noticed it has not been used yet. I added in a bit of content from it on why it was so well-received (At least from the Forbes writer's perspective). Sunnyediting99 (talk) 03:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The article was written by a Contributor, which per WP:FORBESCON, makes this source unreliable. Negative  MP1  05:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Please do not add that source again. Someone (I can't tell who) added it back and I've removed it for that exact reason .― Blaze WolfTalkblaze&#95;&#95;wolf 19:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Is Forbes not considered a reliable source? Rubellaclinton (talk) 09:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Only certain Forbes sources. The one that keeps getting added is from a Forbes contributor which is deemed unreliable per FORBESCON which is linked above. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze&#95;&#95;wolf 12:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No it does not. It quite literally just says "here's how to watch it!" and surface level things such as "there is only one episode so far", and does them in incredibly weird ways.
 * Wording it like "You don’t even need a YouTube account to watch the pilot. Granted, yes, the video has ads, but it’s a small price to pay for one of the greatest indie animated comedies to come out of 2023" makes me feel that this article was written to generate views. As the source isn't unreliable and can be used, I won't contest its use, but it should be a flat out failure of SIGCOV. Negative  MP1  05:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * After some searching, I'd note the following additional sources, though they do not seem particularly strong.
 * Comicon.com has an article, but it's quite short. https://comicon.com/2023/10/27/adult-animation-revolution-the-amazing-digital-circus/
 * Popculture.com (A subsidiary of Paramount Global) has a few articles, though it seems to mostly rehash material from other sources such as Cartoon Brew. https://popculture.com/category/the-amazing-digital-circus/
 * I've seen passing mentions on other sources, but passing mentions aren't good enough to establish notability. Mbrickn (talk) 23:22, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * 80 Level has an original article on the behind-the-scenes of the show, and they seem to be generally considered reliable (they're cited on a lot of tech and gaming articles, at least):https://80.lv/articles/glitch-on-character-animations-in-the-amazing-digital-circus/ --Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yesterday, I found this source from TheGamer which looks reliable to me because the website is kinda reliable so I added it to the article but someone removed it but why? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's considered "reliable after August 2020" in WP:VG/S. Re-added in Reception with more relevant info. Skyshifter   talk  14:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Alright, while Valnet shouldn't be used to demonstrate notability, I am going to go ahead and remove the notability banner, as I think by this point it satisfies GNG. Negative  MP1  18:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Gooseworx' page redirect
Why does 'Gooseworx' redirect here instead of having a seperate article? She has over a million subscribers on YouTube and is definitely notable enough for her own article. Theooolone (talk) 12:40, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Theooolone, I think you might not have a proper comprehension of the general notability guideline. To have an article, Gooseworx must be significantly covered by reliable and independent sources. There are currently no reliable sources that significantly cover her. — Davest3r08 > : )  (talk)  13:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, thank you. I'll have a closer look at the linked guideline Theooolone (talk) 13:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Synopsis
While Pomni as an avatar is female, I don't think it was confirmed she was a woman before entering the digital world, or that the same gender transfers over to the digital world. Pomni doesn't even remember her name before entering the digital world. It would be more accurate to confirmed details to describe her as "human" beforehand. --Meester Tweester (talk) 07:57, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @Meester Tweester Pomni is said to be female at the description of the pilot video and website info so now you know. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thing is, we don't know if the human was a woman before they became Pomni. seemed reasonable, changed.  Skyshifter   talk  14:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh My Bad, I thought @Meester Tweester talking about the Pomni when she enter the digital world but we all don't know what the gender for the human version of Pomni. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 15:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Meester Tweester (talk) 23:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I applied the above suggestion because we don't know if the human (before they became Pomni) was a woman (AFAIK). Skyshifter   talk  14:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The official website reads "A woman gets trapped in a crazy virtual world", not "a human gets trapped in a crazy virtual world as a woman". User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 19:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, alright then. Skyshifter   talk  19:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That works then. --Meester Tweester (talk) 06:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What is her favorite color? 49.177.198.162 (talk) 11:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to know Pomni's favorite color and it would be trivial so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 18:14, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with NatwonTSG2, but that is a funny question MeesterTweester! 😊 76.145.181.225 (talk) 02:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

HOW DOES THIS ARTICLE EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this article does not need to exist Minecraft812 (talk) 18:20, 26 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Your all cap title talk is showing me that you have anger of why this article exist and it because the article show notability, meaning that the article has reliable and significant sources so yeah the reason why the article exist. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 19:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Characters
Why The Moon from the amazing digital circus has no description other than the voice actor, shouldn't be not featured and I add a description then an user removed but why? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 01:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * This is because the Moon only appears for approximately 5 seconds, therefore making her a secondary character that doesn’t need as much explanation as the more important main characters. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 11:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

The recent content dispute
This is an open invitation to @ErnestoCabral2018. Please explain why you think your version of the page is superior. Eldomtom2 (talk) 22:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)


 * First of all, you are erasing a category that indicates that it is an original YouTube program. Second, I am adding the description of the characters like Kinger, who is the human who has been trapped for a longer time in the circus (he confirms it in the same pilot) or the Moon, which is also confirmed what I put in the description. Third, Kaufmo is one of the pilot's characters in case you didn't know.
 * The real name of the creator is Cooper Smith Goodwin, if you want a source, I will put it. The part of the reception was reduced because the name of the series is already repeated in a previous sentence and is redundant.
 * There is already a source that confirms that the series is totally inspired by I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream, and there are even several users who have told you the same and you only reversed the editions without fundament. ErnestoCabral2018 (talk) 00:57, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "Second, I am adding the description of the characters like Kinger, who is the human who has been trapped for a longer time in the circus (he confirms it in the same pilot)" - no, that's what my version of the page says. Your version vandalises it into the nonsense of him being "the longest human" in the Circus.
 * "Third, Kaufmo is one of the pilot's characters in case you didn't know." - but he's not part of the voice cast. Your version falsely claimed he had a voice actor. Another editor already noticed this and removed him.
 * "The real name of the creator is Cooper Smith Goodwin, if you want a source, I will put it." - You are meant to add sources when you add content, not when you get challenged.
 * "There is already a source that confirms that the series is totally inspired by I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream, and there are even several users who have told you the same and you only reversed the editions without fundament." - That's not the point. My version already says it was inspired by IHNMAIMS in the Production section. The question is whether it deserves to be mentioned in the infobox, and I don't think it does.
 * Furthermore, these are not the only changes your version makes. I suspect you didn't mention them because they were even less defensible.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 09:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring
Hello, , and ,

I've been keeping an eye on the edit warring about the inclusion of IHNMAIMS in the infobox and the wording of the lead; this has now been going on for over a week - utterly ridiculous. I for one am not really fussed whether we end up with one version or the other, because it will be overwritten as the series progresses; however, the warring is entirely inappropriate. So, I'd like to give each of you the chance to state your case here without arguing against each other before I take this to WP:ANI. Cheers, 22:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My case is simple. IHNMAIMS is only one of many inspirations cited by Gooseworx. While admittedly it is probably the inspiration she gives the most prominence to, mentioning it every time she is asked about her inspirations, it is still just one of many and Gooseworx has clarified that the show will not follow the plot beats of IHNMAIMS. In addition, the documentation for the infobox template states that "inspired by" should be used if the inspiration is "explicitly credited as such", which IHNMAIMS is not. The other non-IHNMAIMS edits that ErnestoCabral2018 has been insistent about reverting were blatant vandalism like falsely crediting voice actors to a character with no lines of dialogue.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 18:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have already mentioned to the user the simple changes I make, which are rewording some words and including the creator's real name. The IHNMAIMS is already a topic for him with the other user.
 * https://twitter.com/WizardzWiz?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor - Here the voice actor confirms that he voices Kaufmo, but Eldomtom2 refuses to believe. ErnestoCabral2018 (talk) 19:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK then if this is two separate disputes. This seems to mostly be about the lead, right?
 * ErnestoCabral2018, I agree with quite a lot of your copyediting - you're right to include the "Australian-American" bit in the lead, and you've made later parts of the article clearer. However, I've not found any reliable sources giving Gooseworx's full name. I've also not found anything saying that the Moon or Bubble are AIs, only that Caine is.
 * I'm fairly sure that Eldomtom2 can believe that the voice actor is confirming that he voices Kaufmo; however, any voice actor's Twitter account is not a reliable source for this article, so we can't use it. Eldomtom, I'm going to leave the infobox bit until L.R. Luther responds; if they don't within a reasonable timeframe, I'll remove it.
 * I'm going to edit it to reflect the positive parts of both of your versions; please feel free to feedback so we that can workshop it and make it as fair and accurate as possible. 20:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * First off, "I'm fairly sure that Eldomtom2 can believe that the voice actor is confirming that he voices Kaufmo" - no I can't, because they are not actually doing so. WizardzWiz is a friend of Gooseworx, and their claim to voice Kaufmo is an obvious joke as Kaufmo does not even make any vocalizations in the pilot, let alone speak any lines.
 * Second, your attempt to rewrite the article has introduced a litany of issues, which I shall list:
 * It adds the false claim in the lede that Screen Australia funded the show. Screen Australia funded some of Glitch's previous productions, but it did not fund Digital Circus. This is stated in the HITC article used as a source, but as it it contains inaccurate statements such as this it should be removed as unreliable (we have much better sources available now).
 * It trims the description of the show's premise in the lede for no good reason.
 * Despite stating that you can't find any reliable sources about Gooseworx's real name, you include it anyway.
 * You remove the information in the Production section about the number of episodes planned, presumably due to deeming Gooseworx's Tumblr unreliable, but you then reinsert it in the infobox.
 * Your edits to the Characters section make it read worse for no good reason, changing "AI ringmaster" to "artifical intelligence ringmaster" and "who has been trapped in the circus the longest" to "and the longest-trapped human in the circus" - in both cases the former phrasing is clearer.
 * You add a character description to the extremely minor character of the Moon, which just states the sole piece of information we have on it - frankly I would be in favour of deleting the minor characters section altogether and just writing "Gooseworx as Bubble and the Moon" - and technically crediting Gooseworx as the Moon's voice is OR, since she's only credited for "Bubble" and "Additional Voices" in the show's credits.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 22:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Apologies if I've offended you; also my bad, I managed to forget some points (nos. 3,4) there. I should note that I did not add the description for the Moon, merely trimmed the old one; I think you're right in removing the section, but am not sure how to deal with the Gloink Queen; for now, I've stuck her in the other section.
 * My reason for trimming the lead summary of the plot was that I felt it was getting too close to the description of the show on Glitch's website; I also don't think we've seen much of these "personal traumas" in the 26 minutes there's been so far. I've readded the bit about sanity. 22:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your addressing of my concerns. My only main note at this point is that I object to the show being called Australian-American if we don't have good sources calling it that - normally a showrunner's nationality is not enough to call something an international co-production.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 14:57, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2024
Under Reception, Jade King of TheGamer is referred to incorrectly as "he", Jade uses "she/they" pronouns as per their Twitter page. GeekInTheNorth (talk) 16:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅; confirmed by checking page, switched "he" to "she". Well caught!  Frzzl  talk; contribs  16:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

More Episode will realase
Glitch post on X (Twitter) for annouce episode 2 Amazing Digital Circus will relese soon. Could add article will relase episode 2 Amazing Digital Circus Glitch post on X? Will be release episode 2 soon. 47.234.198.142 (talk) 06:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We will add information about the second episode following its release. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

glitch 2601:2C5:4480:ADC0:DA1:581F:2D8F:594A (talk) 21:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2024
Change table box award from "Annie Awards" to "51st Annie Awards". This year's 51st Annie Award 2024 is February 17, 2024. 47.234.198.142 (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) <b style="font: small-caps 12px times; color:#000000">talk</b> 22:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Protection request
I feel as though this article should be semi-protected to prevent IP users from editing this article. Recently, the majority of edits on this article have been good faith edits from logged out users that contain unnecessary and/or unconstructive info that many of us has had to revert. Protecting this article for autoconfirmed users and above (ideally permanently) would stop these harmful edits from happening and allow us to focus on the quality of the article rather than undoing bad edits. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 13:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Make that rant at WP:RPPI, not here. <b style="color:#ff6600;">The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 13:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was unaware that that page existed. My bad. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 15:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Pomni's name
I can't imagine any reliable source has mentioned this yet, but maybe one will: "Pomni" means "remember" in Russian; I can't imagine this is a coincidence given that she, like most of the other characters, can't remember her pre-series name.

Just a thought, for now. Daniel Case (talk) 04:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, to put this from a Wikipedian's POV, this is unlikely to get added unless an episode is released with the reference mentioned. But nice thought. <b style="color:#ff6600;">The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 16:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I notice that TADC Wiki for Trivia but you can find out the references. 47.234.198.142 (talk) 03:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Since that's a wiki, we couldn't use it as a source unless someone has cited a reliable source.
 * I found it amusing that it cites other Slavic languages, given that the word is from the same root and really means some variation of "remember". I'd quibble a little bit with the wiki's take on the Russian word's meaning, though: "pomni" is the imperfective singular form, and somewhat paradoxically, at least when I remember studying Russian, in the imperative the imperfective form is used where the command/request is more formal, more impersonal, not to remind whoever is being addressed to take a particular action or set of actions once (that would be the perfective form, vspomni, admittedly not the easiest combination of sounds for an English speaker at the beginning), rather to remind them to never forget something, i.e. "Remember the Alamo!" or a safety directive like "Always remember to wear your seat belt", which to me fits more with the sense of how it applies to the character. Daniel Case (talk) 19:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024
Change text from "four million likes" to "5 million likes". Update likes on YouTube. Change text from "100 million views" to "200 million views" Contents in beginning (Top) and Production. It automatically updates views on YouTube. 47.234.198.142 (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. <b style="color:#ff6600;">The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 16:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "The pilot episode reached two million viewers on the first day, and within a month, had over 100 million views. As of the time of this writing, the episode now has over 200 million views." - PopCulture.com --Meester Tweester (talk) 06:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Public Domain?
I assumed that the pilot episode is in public domain. There’s no copyright notice on the end credits, and many content farms love using the characters from the series, it makes me wonder if this web series is in the public domain… BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The Amazing Digital Circus is definitely not in the public domain because it only has been around since 2023 and Glitch or Gooseworx may still have the rights to the series so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Sure, the trademark at least, but assumingely not the copyright. See List of films in the public domain in the United States, which lists some films that didn't have copyright notices. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 01:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @BaldiBasicsFan, I read the article list however, I read that films published before 1989 had contain copyright notice in order to claim copyright which the series was published in 2023 which is after 1989 so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 02:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well even then, its copyright status is disputed in this case, especially since it’s not owned by a huge corporation and rather a small independent studio. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Well let just not worry about The Amazing Digital Circus copyright status until it has been 35 years since its existence and the fact that it owned by a small independent studio is fine and will not change anything major so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Farms video make video idea search on YouTube. In POMNI WAKE UP TIME TO GO ON AN ADVENTURE, Caine showing content farm video pixel blur may not allow. Gooseworx posted on X to stop make content farm video The Amazing Digital Circus. 47.234.198.142 (talk) 05:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That is not the point of this argument sir so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 12:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

ciane are we doing the bang?! 67.6.114.31 (talk) 21:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Sir talk pages are intended for sharing ideas about improving this article, not sharing random information for no reason so go read WP:NOT. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 01:43, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2024
114.4.82.64 (talk) 08:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC) Gooseworx have confirmed on her tumlbr that there will be 8 episodes in total, with the pilot counting as the first episode. So please, change the 9 episodes to 8
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Wasn't this show also inspired by BFB
I'm pretty sure it's been stated by the creator that Caine is inspired by Four from BFDI (also Tadhg is misspelled in the beginning) Sitsitsi (talk) 19:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I would say that wrong however, does this have anything to do with the article @Sitsitsi NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Caine was indeed inspired by AM (IHNMAIMS) and Four (BFB). --Meester Tweester (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Nine episodes
I'm convinced the Cartoon Brew article is wrong about there being nine "more" episodes after the pilot, because Gooseworx has indicated a few times on Tumblr that there would be nine episodes including the pilot, before and after the article was posted. But self-published social media posts aren't exactly allowed as sources. What should we do? User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Cartoon Brew would count as a third-party/unofficial source compared to Gooseworx herself, therefore we should most likely only include information spoken by her since whatever Cartoon Brew says might be a misunderstanding. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This isn't a simple case of primary source vs secondary source, though. Although Gooseworx may be a primary source, their social media posts never explicitly say that there will be a total of 9 episodes (pilot + 8); at best they merely imply the possibility. To use them as a source for saying there will be a total 9 episodes in season 1 would definitely cross over into WP:OR. To pull the relevant quote from the policy:
 * "'each statement in the article' must be 'verifiable in a source that makes that statement explicitly. Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what the sources express'."
 * However, it does still potentially cast some doubt on the accuracy of Cartoon Brew's reporting. So perhaps it would be warranted to simply remove the Cartoon Brew citation & the "nine episodes" mention from the article (until we either get corroboration or correction). — Jamie Eilat (talk) 22:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree, Cartoon Brew's reporting is inaccurate. --Meester Tweester (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

news
part 2 is out please write something about it DoraTheMora (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We already have enough information about episode 2. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @SuperWikiBrother but did you write about it DoraTheMora (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, but someone else has already added the episode summary and cast of one-off characters. We do not need anything more, or else we'll have to constantly add "episode # was uploaded on [DATE]" every time an episode comes out. SuperWikiBrother (talk) 19:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @SuperWikiBrother problem solved then. DoraTheMora (talk) 19:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Source
here is a source for one of the inspiration claims. I cannot click on this link myself to cite it accurately, but to you or interested contributors, here. https://twitter.com/GooseworxMusic/status/1619175744130945025?lang=en ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 11:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also https://twitter.com/GooseworxMusic/status/1619176844607258624 ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 11:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Inspiration
The creator of this Show claimed that it was inspired by Ellison's Work. L.R. Luther (talk) 11:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's true - but many other pieces of media were cited as inspirations as well. There's no reason to single out IHNMAIMS.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Then we should add them. L.R. Luther (talk) 00:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Plan: GA
While there aren't many high-quality sources about the show, I'll try my best in bringing this to GA soon. I've started expanding the article. Skyshifter  talk  16:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, I will support your plan since the show is widely popular among all ages and I had a good knowledge of this show NatwonTSG2 (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, that was faster than I expected, but yeah, it's now a GAN. Skyshifter  talk  01:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Can we please remove the "inspired by" section in the infobox?
None of the listed media casts a big enough shadow on the series to deserve being there. Eldomtom2 (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It's still important to add all info we have to make the article accurate as possible. If the creators claim that TADC has inspiration from more works, Then we should add them. L.R. Luther (talk) 00:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't think you understand the purpose of the infobox. The list of works Gooseworx has cited as inspiration for TADC is in the double digits. Should we add all of them to the infobox?--Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, We should add them to make it accurate. I'll start adding the inspirations. L.R. Luther (talk) 17:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, you clearly don't understand the purpose of the infobox.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The INFObox was design to tell info about the media. That's what it's for. L.R. Luther (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You two need to come to a consensus instead of continuing to edit war. Both of you are flirting with WP:3RR. Personally, I believe the information should be added to the infobox if there is notable coverage. We don't need to add inspiration in the double digits, just what has been covered in reliable sources. GSK (talk • edits) 02:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Exactly, It's important to leave the inspiration there. L.R. Luther (talk) 03:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fundamentally my point is that infoboxes are not the place to list inspirations unless such inspirations cast a massive, massive shadow over the work. The inspirations of The Lord of the Rings are very well documented. But none of them are listed in the infobox.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We should add that too. Also, The themes of TADC are just like IHNMAIMS L.R. Luther (talk) 16:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

I checked the instructions for Template:Infobox television and it says "Inspired by" is only for use when the inspiration is explicitly credited in the show. Case closed, the "inspired by" section is going.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 09:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * And the creators said that it was based on it. We should add it L.R. Luther (talk) 10:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * In this case, I agree with IHNMAIMS is not explicitly credited in TADC, and its author is not listed in the show's Special Thanks credits. GSK (talk • edits) 12:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The instructions don't say that it has to be explicitly credited in The Amazing Digital Circus. They only say that it has to be "explicitly credited". Gooseworx has explicitly cited the story as a inspiration. In my interpretation, this rule is just to avoid citing inspirations that sources think the series has (i.e. their interpretations) when the creator hasn't said anything. Here, the creator did confirm it. Skyshifter   talk  12:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the instructions wouldn't use the words "explicitly credited" if they just meant "don't add it if you don't have a reliable source", which of course applies to anything in an infobox.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 13:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's more than that (again, in my interpretation). Multiple reliable sources could say that a series was inspired by X thing — that doesn't mean that the creator was actually inspired by it. So even if reliable sources said, in their reviews of the series for example, that they felt the series was inspired by X, we could only add it if the creator has explicitly confirmed it, which is the case. But of course I understand different interpretations and this should be discussed further. Skyshifter   talk  15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Asked about this at WP:VPP and was pointed to this conversation when "inspired by" was added to Infobox television, which makes it clear that it is only to used for cases where there is an explicit credit in the show itself.--Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. Skyshifter   talk  16:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When you edit the page via "Visual Editing" It doesn't say anything about the media needing to claim where it's based or inspired by in the credits at all. L.R. Luther (talk) 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Consensus needs to be established one way or another because you are flying dangerously close to violating WP:3RR. Looking at the overall discussion here, I personally cannot see a clear consensus for or against that has been established and agreed upon. GSK (talk • edits) 17:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The visual editing says otherwise. Again, who makes up these rules? L.R. Luther (talk) 18:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Policy is established via consensus, which you seem entirely unwilling to engage with. Considering your actions here and on the article itself, I have opened a discussion at WP:ANEW. GSK (talk • edits) 18:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out. L.R. Luther (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)