Talk:The Amazing Race 13/Archive 1

Second paragraph possibly outdated
It appears to me that paragraph 3 (13th season now expected to air in the 2007-2008 season in addition to season 12 as result of the Writers strike), is in contradiction with the timeline given in paragaph 2, especially the time period for filming, whose timeframe (April-May)places it as earlist it could possibly broadcast would be in the summer 2008 season instead of the 2007-2008 fall-spring season. I think the timeframe for some of the events in the second paragraph is outdated in light that those references dates were pre-strike. Jon (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Are there any big location rumors? Sorry I cant sign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.252.4.81 (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Memphis Grand Start
Start : Leg 1 Memphis, Tennessee → Caracas, Venezuela (view CBS official site)
 * Leg 2 Venezuela → ?
 * Leg 3 Unknown
 * Leg 4 ?
 * Leg 5 ?
 * Leg 6 ?
 * Leg 7 ?
 * Leg 8 ?
 * Leg 9 ?
 * Leg 10 ?


 * It is impossible CBS will announce the location for start line while no official premiere date has been claim by CBS itself. --Aleen f 1 11:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be still standard 13 single legs? -- 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.103.249 (talk)


 * Impossible to know for sure at this point; they haven't even started filming with it. If the starting city is accurate though both the racers and the locals between Graceland and Memphis International need to be very careful, statisicaly Memphis was in the top 5 worst drivers for a major city several years running when I lived there. Jon (talk) 13:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Portland, Oregon
From Reality TV World, to The Oregonian then Willamette Week about finale in Portland, Oregon. However, the final source, which covered by Willamette Week, was took from an anonymous blog post, which is at the end violate the reliable sources policy, so is not verifiable! --Aleen f 1 06:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The Oregonian, a long established paper in Portland reported on the filming rumours. Normally, it would be considered a reliable source but A) it was in the form of a blog entry and B) the author never made any definitive statement on whether filming actually took place. --Madchester (talk) 22:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Real spoiler
There's a race spoiler which it actually would be start this month. -- 07:06, April 24, 2008 (UTC)


 * I found the real spoiler at realityfanforum website. It was actually started in Los Angeles last April 22nd, two teams were spotted (2 blondies in pink and a young male/male team). -- 07:51, April 25, 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.212.13.237 (talk)


 * Another spoiler has surfaced in which a team has been photographed at Chicago's O-Hare airport on the night of April 22nd. Based on RFF (Reality Fan Forum)'s deductions based on flight combinations, it is very likely that The Amazing Race 13's first destination is Sao Paolo, Brazil. Additionally, travel books in an airport book store on Argentina in LAX were missing. You can head to RFF for this information in its actual context. DanielTAR (talk) 10:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * A New Zealand production company was advertising for 20 Drivers/Production Assistants for three days (April 30, May 1 and 2) - a fairly unusual request, seems very likely to have been TAR.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.104.215 (talk) 10:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Any content from forum will be disallow, question about WP:RS, until it confirmed by CBS itself. --Aleen f 1 10:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You really should improve your English language. But anyway, I'm/we're not uploading the forum info on the wiki page itself, only discussing and letting those who wanna know about it, know, from this discussion page. What...? Is that against WikiPolicy as well? DanielTAR (talk) 11:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, my English is worse, thank you, DanielTAR. Well, keep on topic, man. Talk page should not be use as forum, that is against policy. It could be use to talk about sources, but not for race sightings like what it did in forum. --Aleen f 1 15:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The note above referenced a source at a website. I don't see any problem with that here on the Talk page; people here can then discuss if the article shoudl be changed or not. No need to be a WikiCop! 67.43.136.126 (talk) 00:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, all that is from forum, that is not a reliable source. --Aleen f 1 08:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Reality Fan Forum is valid enough for me; they have even been complimented by more "reliable" news sources for having tracked racers as they race. Maybe you should at least take a peek at it before you go around declaring it to be "unreliable". Hooky6 (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Forums do not have any editorial screening; thus they are never accepted as reliable sources. --Madchester (talk) 01:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have been looking on, and Aleen and Madchester are right. Hooky6, it doesn't matter that one of the sources that printed it is reliable.  Where the information originates decides whether it is reliable info or not.  And 67.43.136.126, just a source from a website doesn't cut it.  RS RS RS!  And, being a WikiCop (aka adhering to policy) is a good thing. Shapiros10 Came Back! 00:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

High definition?
I wonder that the upcoming season are filmed in High Definition? 121.97.103.221 (talk) 11:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Producer talking about teams and challenges in this season
Bertram van Munster talking about the challenges in TAR13.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/

--ApprenticeFan (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Distance
Early interview with Bertram van Munster is 40,000 miles, but somehow the latest press release is 30,000 miles, so which one should generally in use? --Aleen f 1 17:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You can use Great Circle Mapper to put distance locations.

GC on kls2.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.126.180 (talk) 19:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Canada?
Who Say Canada Is A Destination Of The Race?

I Know The First Destination Is A City Of Brazil.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzalochileno (talk • contribs) 22:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They both need sources. Shapiros10  contact me My work  00:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Leg 1 - source from TV Guide
I see a TV Guide link of September 28 TV schedule of The Amazing Race 13. The first city of the destination will be Salvador, Brazil. Brazil will be the first country in the race.

Source: http://www.tvguide.com/Listings/default.aspx Find 09/28 Sunday and then find 8:00 pm. ApprenticeFan (talk) 13:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, TVGuide is always a reliable source. Thank you, i will add it. --Aleen f 1 14:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Leg 2
OK, I'm not sure whether they have to use plane to a place for about 800 miles and 15 hours of travel (as Google maps information). This is pretty optional, they still can travel bus. --Aleen f 1 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * CBS has only given us pit stop info, but let's not extrapolate/guess at what destinations they'll be visiting in between those stops per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:RS. For example, when the teams visit New Zealand we don't know if they're so solely on North Island or if they'll cross the Cook Strait from South Island like The Amazing Race 2.  We shouldn't list too much information on specific future legs, unless it has been provided on a weekly basis by TV Guide or another reliable source.   --Madchester (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

That is a very good policy to go by. About the use of a plane to do the second leg: Yes, they do fly and the reason you can be sure (this time) is that previews have shown teams at the Fortaleza airport. This is one of those times where the shot can be matched up with known images of the airport and its unique design. In general, we never really know what the mode of transport is for a future leg. It's not that important since in one week it gets confirmed one way or the other. Spoiler/research info is very evanescent here at Wikipedia. And, about the third leg, well, yes they do fly in again. And that is confirmed by the interview of BVM where he says they land at El Alto airport and immediately go up to wrestle with the Cholitas. So if you want to go ahead and add that airport it would be okay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chateau d'If (talk • contribs) 19:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey
How can you post who got last on the leg of the race at 7:44 when the show doesn't start til 8:00 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.41.205.111 (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I looked thru it, it wasn't quite that bad; he has only at 5th or 6th place then but close. Anyway the patern of edits indicates that IP address 92.235.18.241 had access starting aprox 1 hour earlier than broadcast time for US ET/CT. Perhaps the show airs in the Atlantic Timezone an hour early? Perhaps he works at a CBS affilate and so has early access? Jon (talk) 04:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

That was me. I must have saw it earlier than you last night. SamK1994 (talk) 09:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Miles Traveled
Officialy The race Travel 30000. read it : http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/about/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzalochileno (talk • contribs) 23:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Many press said 30,000 miles include official website, so we should change here. --Aleen f 1 05:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, so many different released about the travel distance: Bertram 40,000, CBS 30,000, than Phil said 33,000. However, CBS and Phil added the word "more than" and Bertram said "nearly", so Bertram word may more reliable, until Phil reveal again at the Finish Line. --Aleen f 1 11:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Phil's father
I know we should mention him in the Cast section as this leg's greeter. If that's the case, does anyone know his name? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 07:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, his father is John. --Aleen f 1 08:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So, should we add this fact? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 08:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think with ref and phrase properly, it should be notable. I can add ref for you if you want. --Aleen f 1 08:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Elimination Station
Hi Guys... Why You Don't Put The Elimination Station Like In The Previous Race??? I Hope You Can Do It!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.83.82.114 (talk) 01:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Done as per request (: DanielTAR (talk) 12:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Green tuk tuks
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought the tuk tuks had been upgraded to run on natural gas, not biodeisel. Anyone have a tape/tivo copy they could confirm that on? Radagast (talk) 13:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You're correct; I just watched it again and it's clearly natural gas Riptor3000 (talk) 14:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've updated the article with that. Radagast (talk) 21:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Bahai House in Leg 6
I've seen this week's episode. So I'm sure that the Baha'i Temple show in the episode doesn't look like the Lotus Temple, of the image which is posted in the article. It looked more center facade of the White House. Anyone backing me up? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I Think That Too!!!.. The Pit Stop Look Like A Normal House!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.86.225.99 (talk) 20:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I say we wait till the next episode where there will, hopefully, be a pit-stop shot and introduction so that we can better judge it. But is there another HQ for the Baiha'i faith in Delhi other than this one? DanielTAR (talk) 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * For the time being, I've commented out the Bala'i House image and have put in one of a tuk-tuk. If it Lotus Palace is used, then please replace this, but clearly the building at the pit stop showed no resemblance to the Lotus Palace from what we saw. --M ASEM  00:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Did anyone confirm or refute the fact that the Baha'i house is not the Lotus Temple? I didn't watch the entirety of this week's episode. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Holi celebration in Leg 7
From reading the Holi article, I cannot help but wonder if any of the TAR contestants got ill from the powder used in the celebation. Some contestants suffered from irritation, particulary in the eyes, for most of the episode. Ed (talk) 13:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would assume from watching that most of the contestants suffered discomfort from the dye, but no actual injuries. Sam  Blab 14:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikia linking
Is it alright to provide links to The Amazing Race wiki at the Wikia site for more detailed coverage of each leg of the race? I notice that the List of Stargate SG-1 episodes provide Wikia links for the detailed summaries of each episode that, normally, some Wikipedia monitors would have a debate for episode notability. --Destron Commander (talk) 14:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like an excelent idea to me; it's pretty common to link to other wikis. Jon (talk) 03:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, links to open wikis are discouraged, see WP:EL. --Aleen f 1 07:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Docket or Dock It
Raising some question which is right. In TV, is "Docket", but in official site is "Dock It", so which is right? --Aleen f 1 06:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I also saw "Docket" in the show. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I Saw "Docket" in the show. Might be the mistake of the official site. --Harley Hartwell (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that given the context, "Dock It" is correct, but it could also be a pun. Kuyabribri (talk) 23:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Results of Leg 5
Okay, should be clarify, the situation of Leg 5 is very identical to Season 2's Leg 4, where the speeding penalty is only accessed during Pit Start at Leg 5. Here, Phil is officially granted the 3rd place to Terence & Sarah, so it is become official. Furthermore, Phil later in the end of the show stated that the penalty did not affect the outcome of Leg 5 of the race. So, this should be take count, whatever the official website describe. --Aleen f 1 17:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the current note sums it up, that they received at penalty at the start of Leg 6. Sam  Blab 20:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

For both TAR and TARA speeding penalties are applied to the following leg. It doesn't affect placement on the current leg. So Terrence and Sarah placed 3rd this leg, but will be the 5th team to begin the following leg. Other penalties like Mark/Bill taking inappropriate transportation or Freddy/Kendra taking an additional clue are incurred on the same leg. The current note properly describes the situation. --Madchester (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the note should read "penalized for receiving a speeding ticket". If every team that has ever competed on TAR was penalized just for the act of speeding – without being cited by law enforcement – I would imagine that a lot of teams would be penalized. I don't know what happened with Leg 4 of TAR 2 or on TARA (didn't become a TAR fan till the end of Season 9 but I did watch 1 and 7 on DVD) so if there's something I'm missing please correct me. Kuyabribri (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

uturn on last leg
Will there be a UTurn on the last leg of the race, since there has only been one so far? Didn't Phil say there would be two? 69.37.52.204 (talk) 21:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It may have been unaired, since no one decided to use it. Sam  Blab 22:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Flour sacks (leg 9)
I seem to recall that the flour sacks were reported as weighing 55 lbs.; the article currently says 50 lbs. Would someone please double check the correct weight? 55 lbs. is 25 kg, if I have the conversions correct. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 16:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If interested, the template is available for auto-filling in the metric conversion. I will go ahead and insert it. Kuyabribri (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Removing Result From Final Leg
The episode has not aired yet, and there is no source confirming that Ken/Tina came in last. 74.72.84.172 (talk) 04:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Roadblock counts look odd
As the article now stands, Nick & Starr and Ken & Tina did 8 roadblocks each, but that's one fewer than Andrew & Dan and Toni & Dallas. This doesn't seem to make sense. Can somebody check the data and update accordingly?  PK T (alk)  21:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nick and Starr and ken and Tina each took a fast forward, meaning they skipped 1 roadblock each. Sam  Blab 21:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

"Unprecedented mistake"
Let's wait until this event occurs before referencing it with CBS' promo statement per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOR. Thanks. --Madchester (talk) 00:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It currently says in two places that Dallas' passport was lost, not both his and Toni's. I was under the impression that both were left in the taxi. I just deleted the episode off my DVR so help! Kuyabribri (talk) 14:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * To answer my own question, a post-race interview revealed that only Dallas' passport was lost. Kuyabribri (talk) 14:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Team events
It does not matter that previous seasons do not have these - they should. If I was watching the other seasons again I would do the same to them. The goal of episode summaries in Wikipedia is to summarize everything that happened in the episode, not just a description of the tasks. There is absolutely no reason to leave out information that perfectly fits within a summary of a TV episode. Every episode should include not only the tasks, but what the individual teams did for them as well as any other events, not necessarily relating to the challenges. Reywas92 Talk 00:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "The goal of episode summaries in Wikipedia is to summarize everything that happened in the episode"


 * Per WP:NOT, specifically WP:INDISCRIMINATE/PLOT, info merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia The current format sets a limit on the amount and type of material to include about the show.  We don't need to go back to the days when we had a trivia section (in vio of WP:TRIVIA) that became a black hole for all and any detail about the Race.  If there are any notable plot details they can be embedded into the filming/development section.  For example, there's a good section discussing CBS pre-show announcement about an "unprecedented mistake" and how it materialized into the missing passport(s) in Russia.


 * N.B.... I don't see the point of adding frivolous details like the Divorcees accused Starr of throwing their sports bra from the balcony. It also leads to NPOV issues of describing such events in an unbiased manner.  We can't add our own commentary or biases with the current format. --Madchester (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You are misinterpreting what I did and WP:NOT. That is NOT indiscriminate. What I have added is in NO way a trivia section, and duh, no frivolous details, but a plot summary is more than just the tasks. I know not everthing should be included, but everything that happened should be summarized. The passport was major and related to filming; they had to stay behind, etc. But plot details of what the teams do is not filming/development. When readers come here they want to have a complete summary of the episodes, not just the tasks and a table of the placings. An episode summary includes what the teams do. What I added may seem incomplete, which it is, but it does NOT violate WP:NOT: It is not indiscriminate. Reywas92 Talk  03:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's indiscriminate in the sense of what level of detail of coverage makes sense to include outside of leg placements? Describing the order each team left each task?  How each team did each task?  The difficulties between tasks?  Arguments between team members? The show also edits a lot so what we might write may not be accurate.  The end result of each episode is the placements and if anyone took a fastforward, yield, or soforth.  The rest should be left to sites with larger recaps (TWOP). --M ASEM  03:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Unaired U-Turn on leg 9
A revert war has started over the location of the unaired U-Turn on leg 9. We need a reliable source for whether the U-Turn was located on the military base or at the bakery. (It seems more sensible for the U-Turn to have been right before the clue box at the end of the Detour, as driving from the base to the bakery, back to the base, and back again would have effectively put the targeted team out of the race. But TAR isn't always about "sensible.") --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If a task/route marker/etc. wasn't aired on the show, then the editor needs a reliable source to add it on the page. --Madchester (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The existence of an unaired U-turn is cited in the "Development and filming" section. It was revealed in a post-Race interview with Andrew & Dan. However, that interview only revealed that the U-turn existed on that leg and would have forced Dandrew to go back and do the Boots Detour - it did not reveal where the U-turn marker was located. Judging by precedent (3 previous U-turns held in the U.S. TAR), I would believe that the marker would have been located at the bakery. But then again, I understand that precedent is not a reliable source. KuyaBriBri Talk 14:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

who say that the u-turn was used?..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzalochileno (talk • contribs) 01:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Filming dates
The filming dates of TAR13 was initially dated April 22 - May 14, 2008. ApprenticeFan (talk) 12:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How you get that date? Please specify source. --Aleen f 1 13:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the Detour options in Leg 8 in Kazakhstan
I saw a clip of that episode and it seems that on the Detour clue, on the Play Like Mad option, it does specify on the clue itself that one has to get a total of 200 Kazakh tenge to get their next clue, even tho when Phil narrates the specifics, he states the equivalent of $1.50. (According to XE.com currently, $1.50 in Kazakh tenge is just over 200 Kazakh tenge)

If you actually pause it at the right moment when Ken and Tina read the clue and show it to the camera, you will see that on the bottom of the screen, the clue does state "Earn 200 tenge..." and the next words are probably "...to get your next clue."

Goldeneye0 (talk) 04:18, 27 May 2009 (UTC)