Talk:The Amazing Race 25

Twitter Hashtag & Results Table
I know that those twitter hashtags are written below teams' names during the episode, but I don't find it necessary to put it on wikipedia since they are shown on screen to promote fan discussions on twitter and they are almost the same as the relationships. That said, if you really want to keep those, why put them in the same column as the relationships? It's still two different things. It just vertically widens the table for nothing (only one of 15 columns has two lines). A new column would make the positions by leg simpler and easier to read, and be in the same format as those for 60+ other seasons of US and international TARs. --Lonely678 (talk) 22:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The hashtags have zero purpose on WP. AFter the show has run its course, the tags will be mostly useless. Let reality fan sites track those for us, but we should not.--M ASEM (t) 22:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick answer. I'll delete them right away.--Lonely678 (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The hashtags are now being used in place of the team names that appear on screen to identify them all. And one person saying "remove them" does not make a fucking consensus. I've resored them until a proper discussion takes place.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 03:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Really they are not that important. They are still using the normal team identification monikers too. Those will have meaning long after the season ends than the twitter handles. Also note that Twitter links typically fall into inappropriate external links. --M ASEM  (t) 03:49, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I only recall seeing the Twitter hashtags on screen during the premiere episode's broadcast to refer to the teams rather than the phrases the hashtags came from.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just spot-checked it, and my mind must have thought they were the usual team descriptors, but they are all twitter tags, and they never use plain text form. If we could get away from those tags (they are spelled out in CamelCase so we could break apart the intended phrasing, eg "#TheCyclists" could be called "Cyclists" in the descriptions, that would be good editorially, but yea, right now that's our only team descriptor. --M ASEM (t) 04:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * We could switch it to "Team Name" and have it as "The Cyclists" rather than "Friends/Cyclists" or whatever we have now.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Since Ryulong is now banned permanently from the Arbcom, we will make sure to re-add the relationships in the results table, plus I'll put the hashtag name is been used since this season with the rarely team name without the "hashtags". ApprenticeFan work 05:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Live+7 table
I noticed that the L+7 table has been changed to L+3 fairly recently, but now that the Live+7 ratings are now being reported can we have a change back? Deadline has a proper list of numbers here that includes the Amazing Race ratings. This is the first episode numbers, I suggest Deadline be used as a source for weekly numbers. http://deadline.com/2014/10/how-to-get-away-with-murder-gotham-ratings-premiere-week-seven-day-850005/ 86.15.195.205 (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Well just to conclude this, whenever the page is next free to edit for non users, I plan to update the ratings table and convert to L+7, the area has been neglected just a bit so I'll fix that.86.15.195.205 (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Sweden.
Press photos clearly indicate teams will head to Sweden after Denmark. Not sure why there is a problem including it in, because there is proof teams visited Sweden (irrespective if its show not not). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Ping. See above. Cheers, Thanks,  L235 - Talk Ping when replying 21:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * In the past few years, there have been several instances of photos posted on official CBS websites not featuring any material in the final cut of the episode. Presently, without intentionally investigating the contents of photographs to come to conclusions on our own, reliable sources only state that Copenhagen will be visited in Friday's broadcast. If Malmo is added, we can add that when it comes up.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 21:27, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, but there are instances of unaired locations being listed on these pages as well. Thus even if its not aired we should (continuing with the other pages) put (unaired) beside the location. An example being here Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That can be done after the fact. We won't know what will and will not be inclued in the episode until after broadcast.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 21:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I concur Sweden should not be counted because it was initially visited and is not featured for this season, remember back in the season's press release, the race visiting eight countries (USA, UK, Denmark, Morocco, Italy, Malta [both upcoming episodes] and two countries in future episodes) and Phil said in the pre-race video with four continents. As may you recall the Far Detour in Botswana (details) and an unused Fast Forward in Vatican City (details) in season 1, because they're not both counted. ApprenticeFan work 23:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * As much as I think that a UK → D → S → D title takes a lot of space, I also think that it is justifed to leave it like that and not change it to UK → D. Sweden was visited and featured with a Route Info (and still should be counted in the Countries and locales visited table on TARUS's main page). Sweden is the same case as TAR19 Germany or TAR5 Kenya, which are in the leg titles, but not TAR20 Austria or TAR19 Netherlands, which served more of a connecting point with no clue featured. And I wouldn't count on the press release for reliable info, when just last season, it was said that they visited nine countries and four continents while they only visited eight and three respectively. --Lonely678 (talk) 23:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I think Sweden should be counted. There was a task that took place there and teams were instructed to go there. Unused task aren't counted simply because they weren't visited by any teams. Sportsfan 1234 (talk)`
 * The race as typically said "visited" for any location that the teams stay for a prolonged length of time (most of a leg, a pit stop) at, when they say "x countries, y contenients". Teams spent less time in Sweden in this leg than they would do in traveling via air between most of the big cities, and those mid-route hubs aren't counted at all. I would leave it out unless it is clear after the race is over that the country count must include Sweden. --M ASEM  (t) 00:55, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I also agree that we should add Sweden to Leg 4's route title. They didn't simply go there as part of a connection or something like that. In the past we had situations that they only visited a country for the pit-stop and the next leg was directly to a complete different place. While that's obviously different, I'm using it as an example of the participation of Sweden (Malmö) in this leg being effective. They had to complete a task that required them to drive to Sweden and they received their next clue there or had to do another task before receiving the clue that directed them back to Denmark. It was a quick participation, but a notable on. I don't think that USA is counted as a country they visit because that's the obvious placed where the teams come from and where it all begins and ends. So there's a good chanced Sweden falls into that category. But as mentioned, I don't think that's something to be considered while we clearly saw on television the presence of Sweden. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 23:54, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No. This discussion was about the pre-broadcast promo photos saying stuff about the Malmo visit. Sweden was part of the show for all of 10 minutes as opposed to other seasons where they were in one country for a longer period of time. These headers should include the focus of the trip, which is why we omit other similar extremely short visits in other seasons.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 00:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

From now on, we should only include the countries that are the focus of the visit of the leg in the headers. We have done this before when people have insisted that the various layover cities be included, I have aquiesced on instances where semi-autonomous regions are visited to where it's obvious that they're travelling to an external territory or a place with a unique situation (Hong Kong, Puerto Rico, French Polynesia, USVI, etc.). Sweden does not need to be in the lead, much like in the other instances that Lonely678 has been citing in previous seasons where there was a clue directing teams to go to a third nation temporarily. It is such a minor aspect of that episode that it does not matter. Less time was spent in Malmo than on the Roadblock and it was just an excuse to show off the sponsor's product. If at the end of the season they include Sweden amongst the various nations that were visited in some final task, or if they just include USVI (not really a nation), UK, Denmark, Morocco, Italy, Malta, Singapore, and Philippines then we know we can change things. But at this point in time, the trip to Malmo was such a minor part of this episode that you all have blown out of proportion with the pre-broadcast promo photos and now all this shit happening afterwards, we need to recognize it was just a commercial for Ford rather than this "Active Route Info" shit that is being mentioned.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 01:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Seriously, Ryulong, why do you always have to act like you own the article and the show? Every edit you make here is strictly based on what your brain tells you to do and you simply don't care about anything else. This is a freaking discussion not a Ryulongpedia dictatorship. There were several "commercials" in previous seasons that were tasks and we always mentioned them here because they are tasks. It doesn't matter if it was a Ford vehicle or a bicycle. They had to perform that task and it totally makes sense to add Sweden there. Stop this non-sense behavior. I agreed with you in the past about the positions of the 1st leg of last season, but you always acted like a dick and you still do that. Honestly, chill the fuck out. I'm not saying this based on pre-broadcast promo but only on what was shown on the episode, which is pretty obvious what it was. What Lonely678 is saying is exactly what I'm saying and exactly the opposite of what you said. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no consesnus to include Sweden in the section title because it was such a blip in the whole of the episode. This episode's focus was Denmark. Just because they happened to briefly cross the border for a task does not mean anything. There's no consensus for the header. It remains as it was. And your actions scream of failure to assume good faith, and your repeated personal attacks on me. Again, we should only include the major locations in the section headers. The single "Drive to Malmo" "Active Route Info" does not qualify for going GBR (--> DNK) --> SWE --> DNK, and previous season's articles should reflect this. Multiple editors have put forward actual arguments against including Sweden in this section title, while everyone else is just going "Put Sweden in". It's such a minor part of the episode to where it is not even mentioned in the pre-release press as ApprenticeFan has pointed out, and it was only vaguely mentioned in the pre-broadcast promo photos that frankly we shouldn't have access to because it's part of a press kit. Leave it out. Please don't revert me again. This is just an effing section title on this page.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 01:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And again to add, in all past seasons where there has been a brief sojourn into another country for less than the duration of one leg, that country is not counted in the end "X countries" tally. The race has not considered these major "travel" segments. --M ASEM (t) 02:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

So basically, this discussion ends with: "Don't put Sweden in the header since it looks too cluttered when that small part of the route is considered for the leg header, but include it in the country count since it was visited by all teams and shown quite clearly during the episode." Albertdaniel222 (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There was really never a debate for the "put it in the country count" thing. The debate started over the pre-broadcast promo photos being studied and a desire to add it to the article when we were not even sure if it would make the final cut of the episode and then it all turned into the "It should be in the header" thing.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 15:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This is the same as TAR3 going Germany to Austria and back to Germany in Leg 7. It was a minor visit, but it is a country visit so it SHOULD be added to the country count and should be in the title. Are we wanting accuracy or apparent non-clutteredness? User:KiwiJaden (talk) 16:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No minor visits should count at all. The Sweden task was one task that took up less than 10 minutes of the episode and that was it. TAR3's Germany to Austria and back was different because they spent half of the episode in Germany then half in Austria and then went back to Germany. It is not the focus of the episode. Yes. They go to Sweden. Did it factor much into the episode? No.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 00:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Remember when Wikipedia used to report facts and not Ryulong's headcanon? Teams visited Sweden? FACT. Teams had to perform an actual Route Info task in Sweden, and not simply an airport or railway layover? FACT. Do you ever respect majority? 174.1.50.249 (talk) 06:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The do one thing in Sweden and then the rest of the episode is all about Denmark again. One 5 minute part of the episode should not clutter up this page. Section headers should reflect the primary location visited. THat means Denmark and not have a header that goes "UK --> DK <--> SW" wen it was barely part of the episode.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 06:35, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Your reason for not including it is silly. Who cares about clutter? We are an encyclopedia and we are reporting hard facts. Whether the visit to Sweden is 5 minutes or 50 minutes has no impact on anything, teams went there, performed a task there and that's that. Honestly, these discussions would not get so heated if you did not have such an authoritative tone whenever you post a message. It's always "This is the way things will be and THAT IS FINAL! RAAAWR!" This is why people (such as me) accuse you of page ownership. I find it incredibly funny that you called me rude on my talk page, when you are the one biting people's heads off at every opportunity.
 * You continually tell everyone "stop arguing over something so minor", but then you continue to put way too much effort into defending yourself over that very same minor thing. If it's so minor, why do you care so much about opposing it? Why do you have this belief in your head that every word that comes out of your mouth is correct, and everyone else is automatically wrong.
 * You have said a number of times now that we shouldn't include this "because it was an advertizement for Ford". My friend, All three seasons of TAR Vietnam were basically one gigantic advertizement for Sting Energy Drink. Should we just delete those three pages? So it was a product placement task, it was still a task, and that's more than can be said about TAR5 Kenya or TAR19 Germany. Those two are "debatable", I guess, but this one is unquestionable. Teams that failed the gas challenge had to actually go do something in Malmo. Something CULTURAL, even! Whoa!
 * Recently I've just stopped caring about these pages because I know that every decision that gets made will get made by you. Anyone who goes against you will just get accused of "Edit Warring", isn't that right? Technically, there's no way for us to win. But I found that I simply had to step in here because this is beyond ridiculous. Teams in TARAUS 3 flew allll the way to Los Angeles and they only did two things while they were there, but we still count that. Teams in TAR3 flew to Malaysia so that they could take a picture of the towers (Kodak Camera product placement), but no-one cries wolf about that. There's really nothing that makes Sweden so different here, except of course for your own opinion.
 * And, by the way, I think that we're also being incredibly rude to Swedes here by implying that their country does not matter.
 * Have a nice day
 * Shadow2 (talk) 07:50, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow. The issue is that we do not need to have a header that stretches halfway across the page just to ensure that we include a half hour trip across a bridge in a section header on this article. It is not like Sweden is not being acknowledged as existing. It is just not the focus of the episode. And I put so much effort into this because I constantly have to repeat my arguments for the people who want to include it for sentimental reasons or these Wikia-worthy levels of documentation. Your various arguments on product placement are apples and oranges because, again, this is just arguing against including something that took these people an hour to accomplish in a section header and not denying it ever happened in the first place. And your claim that this is rude to Swedes is laughable.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 08:03, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Should I add two revealed countries (Singapore and the Philippines) shown in the next episode's preview after episode 6 aired. ApprenticeFan work 01:06, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They're not explicitly stated so no.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 01:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Reopening this discussion, because it appears only one editor is against editing to include Sweden. This is not a majority. I think we should add it back. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree we should reopen this discussion. If headers like "Morocco > Austria & Germany" is acceptable, "United Kingdom > Denmark & Sweden" should also be acceptable. Clues instruct teams to head to Sweden and there is a task there (so Sweden isn't just a stop-over). And just because the task "is basically a commercial for Ford" doesn't mean it's less of a task. Also the Ford task isn't the only task in Sweden, there's also identifying the capitals of the three Scandinavian countries. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We are not reopening this. Masem and I both agree that adding "Sweden" is irrelevant because this episode is about Denmark. The Austria and Germany leg in season whatever was complicated because of the various tasks that happened. We are not adding Sweden to the section header because it was only one thing that they did there for a whole 5 minutes of the episode and this does not make a new consensus. It's been over a month. Let it go already.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:46, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether Sweden was or wasn't the focus of the episode. Sweden was the focus of that part of the episode and should be listed. If the issue is that you don't want it to take up the screen, find an easier way of doing it - "Scotland > Denmark (with Sweden)" would work. Masem's comment above that a country is only counted officially if it is used for a full leg is flagrantly untrue, and has been for the show's entire history. We still count Liechtenstein in TAR18, and Finland in TAR10, and Chile in TAR7. TAR3's official count is 13 nations yet the only way to make it work is to include all four non-Pit-Stop countries visited, including England (separately from Scotland), Spain (which teams drove through on their way from Portugal to Morocco), and Austria (which the winners skipped as a result of their Fast Forward). So, to recap, your argument is that two people can hijack the page because they disagree with a near-consensus opinion, even though one of them is a known edit warrior and the other is relying on false information to prove their erroneous point. GrimRecapper (talk) 06:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's just wait until the finish line, when Phil will state "X countries, Z continents, YY,000 miles, you are the winners..." If X requires us to include Sweden, we will, but if not, then we should continue to leave it out. --M ASEM  (t) 06:39, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In TAR18 Liechtenstein was actively advertised as a visit and was the focus of a Roadblock. In TAR10, Finland was part of a super leg. TAR3's "official count" is the result of all of the editing and navel gazing happening on Wikipedia rather than any actual "X continents, 13 countries, Y miles" treatment at the end of the series (AFAIK). Sweden is not the focus of this episode to require any sort of obsessive and pedantic bullshit that has plagued this page for a month now. The official press releases have said "8 countries". That is UK, Denmark, Morocco, Italy, Malta, Singapore, Philippines, and US. Unless they have for the past several years not counted the US and this means Sweden is part of it we should not include such a minor blip like this.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 07:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

✅ CCamp2013 (talk) 07:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No. This is not a vote. Wikipedia does not operate on votes.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 07:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Please refer to Consensus. In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit. As others and yourself have previously stated, adding these countries to the headers are done in previous seasons of TAR. So, the proposal or bold edit in this case is whoever edited it out of the header, Im assuming you and the version of the article as it was prior to (your) proposal is the version WITH Sweden in the header. CCamp2013 (talk) 08:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not how it works. This all began because people saw the driving task on the official website before the broadcast. The section was just "Denmark" long before it aired and it was only the argument that it should be the unnecessarily complicated UK -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Denmark until it just becamse UK -> Denmark when a consensus was actually formed. The sudden transformation of this into a vote because of Gsfelipe94's disruption does not change that.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 08:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you're getting too caught up with the order of how information became available instead of the information we actually have. Yes, "United Kingdom > Denmark > Sweden > Denmark" is complicated, but "United Kingdom > Denmark & Sweden" is not. Just because it was just "United Kingdom > Denmark" before it became known that Sweden was visited, doesn't mean that Sweden wasn't visited and shouldn't be included in the header. Sweden, the driving task, and the geography task was still very visible during the episode, said by all the teams and narrated by the host. As a counter-example, for season 14 leg 2, the header is "Switzerland > Germany > Austria", even though Austria was just the pit stop (and they left the country at the very start of the next leg). Also, Austria was barely mentioned in the episode. And if you argue that Austria is included because it's at the end and the pit stop, then why isn't Sweden included if it had a task, route markers, clues, and a very prominent drive for it? Albertdaniel222 (talk) 09:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've already said my opinion about it and it's still the same. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Section break 1
I'm removing Sweden, again. The issue is thusly: Sweden is not included amongst any of the pre-show press, there are only 8 countries mentioned in pre-show press, and Sweden was not a major part of the episode. It doesn't matter how "visible" it was. This episode is about Denmark. Malmö is part of the same metropolitan area as Copenhagen. Malmö was previously part of Denmark. It is so incredibly close to Denmark that the show made them go back and forth within the first 10 minutes of the show. Just because the geography test was also in Malmo does not mean anything in the end. When the finale airs in a few weeks, Sweden will be absent from everything else considered as part of the race just like Germany was completely ignored years ago in the final task. Articles like this should only focus on the most important aspects of the show and not give so much prevalence to such minor details (see WP:UNDUE). This page is meant to be for all readers and not the avid fans and Wikipedia editors like most of you here. There is no vote. There is only common sense and Wikipedia policy to follow. If and only if Sweden gets any airtime in the "Remember everything you did" task in the final leg or if Phil goes "Nine countries" instead of 8 then Sweden should be included. Until then, we should keep with what reliable sources say and what the primary part of the show is about.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:53, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't give those spiels too much credit than they deserve. As said before, the show and site aren't really that reliable on some aspects. For example, they counted 4 continents visited for season 24 (there were only 3). They also showed a Joey & Meghan flashback that said 'Season 18', instead of the season they were actually on. Also, don't cherrypick on aspects you want to include and exclude. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 16:14, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That could be it, as it checked on the lead header, it is explicitly visiting 9 countries, with the official press release stated it visits 8 countries in the race (US [including USVI], UK [England & Scotland], Denmark, Morocco, Italy, Malta, Singapore and Philippines). ApprenticeFan  work 23:39, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Phil during the leg
I'm noticing that each leg appears to have Phil explaining the task at one route marker of the leg as the first team arrives at it. It seems to be a new, intentional production decision. Is this worthy of mentioning in the "Development and filming" section? Esjs (talk) 06:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 06:35, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful to see this commented on in recaps or by production, as it's otherwise a trivial observation. (Important for us that follow it, but not to all readrs). --M ASEM  (t) 00:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Episode title quotes section is trivia
CCamp2013 brought it up on Talk:Survivor: San Juan del Sur that the person who said the episode title should be listed as it is listed here. I and another user have recognized this as trivia, so I thought I should bring the discussion back here. I do not see how this is not trivia. I haven't watched this show since it moved to Sundays, but from when I did watch it I do not remember not knowing who said the episode title to be of any hindrance whatsoever. Can someone please enlighten me? Thanks! Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:19, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right. The person who says it is not terribly important.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 02:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to confirm, is that support or sarcasm. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:37, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. I honestly do not care about the speaker of the quote, particularly when there's so much edit warring over it on the past couple of days.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 02:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

U-Turn
According to an insider video posted by CBS Keith and Whitney U-turned Amy and Maya. How do we indicate that on the article? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a failed2=yes parameter.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 19:57, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Image layout
I can't believe I even have to bring this up for discussion, but the other day I added a photo to represent the Up Helly Aa task to the Leg 3 description, and used multiple images and a vertical image layout (with the caption split between the two images). An IP editor has seen fit to enforce a horizontal image layout first to a deprecated template and then to repeatedly use the new template after I said it was deprecated and the vertical layout is better for access issues. I informed the IP editor of the issues, then went to fix the articles he had cited, but was met with the same stubborn opposition.

So here's the conversation that IP is not bothering to start, while he continues to spitefully and blanket revert every edit I've made to these pages to either modify muliple images or replace them. What do you all think?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 22:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I've made similar changes at The Amazing Race 19, The Amazing Race 21 , and The Amazing Race 18 (even though in that case there was no reason for two images to be used in the first place). So what are the actual opinions of people here rather than Lonely678 edit warring with me for no real reason?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 22:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'd have to say "it depends". On a large resolution screen, the horizontal layout is more appealing.  Naturally, on a lower resolution screen, the vertical layout is preferred.  Since the template can't ( easily ) make a determination dynamically based on the client's resolution, we should go with the lowest common denominator: the vertical layout. Esjs (talk) 23:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

New TAR Clue Format and Summaries
Hello TAR Editors,

Can you guys find a way to fix these two problems: 1. If Roadblock/Detour Clues are placed in front of the locations, please find a way to make them look less messy, like bold the location, or whatever. 2. Please include the unaired information in the summaries.

Thanks and hope you guys taking these suggestions. Riceeaterazn (talk) 05:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The format to put the clue information before the task is confusing, yes. The old format was just put the clue at the end and then describe locations in the text but this was changed for no clear reason. This is why I attempted to have things underlined and separated by colons.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 05:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Unaired information is not readily available or is included in summaries where it is known.
 * — Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 05:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Why was it changed from the old format? The new format is horrible, looks out of place and crowded. I support a revert back to the old style. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:09, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Because there is no reason the information needs to be hidden in hover info over images when it should be written out per WP:ACCESS.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 20:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I suggest that we discuss this subject properly instead of just letting Ryulong update the article as he wants to (as usually). This is supposed to be decided by a consensus and whatever that's decided, should be implemented. I disagree with the way it looks and the way it was put into place. I'd like to see other opinions. What do you think? (Riceeaterazn, ApprenticeFan, Masem, Sportsfan 1234, Albertdaniel222, Shadow2 and others) Gsfelipe94 (talk) 22:54, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Imo it should be reverted back to how it was. Besides we don't need to have it hidden in the "hover" because its already in the paragraph below. There is no access issue here. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:14, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It was an issue before when ">Detour (Push or Pull)<" was hidden in hovertext over images. Gsfelipe94's opposition is simply petty. The format needs work. We need to identify things in blatant text rather than alt text on images. The only other thing I did was make it so you don't have to type the quotation marks or the word "Or" into the templates.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 23:40, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

The 2 things I don't like about the new format are 1) the big wall of text you have to surf through before finding that one detail you need, and 2) adding of tasks details in what is suppose to be the summary of locations visited and the type of task at that location. On my userpage, I made an alternate format I would like you guys to see. Also, is adding links to the 'Roadblock' and 'Detour' words on the template necessary?. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 00:49, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gsfelipe94, for suggesting we handle this like reasonable adults. Ryulong, we would all appreciate it if you would stop insulting every single person who disagrees with you. I have said time and time again that having huge blocks of text make it more difficult to read and follow, but you continue to make vast changes without consulting anyone about it and then choose to childishly insult anyone who disagrees. Shadow2 (talk) 01:49, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with Shadow, we need a consensus, and that seems to be reverting back to the old format. 01:54, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the edits to the template were not exactly necessary, but Shadow2, are you arguing against the new all prose format instead of just dedicating a paragraph to the Detour, Roadblock, Speed Bump, and Fast Forward, but leaving any other "Active Route Infos" at the end rather than keep them all in one descriptive paragraph? And the issue still stands that having the old format of the clue template causes issues with WP:ACCESS. We should not hide information we want to describe in hovering text boxes but in the text of the article itself.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 01:56, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And then I get messages on my talk page from Ryulong saying that I've been harassing editors to agree with me here against him. Bizarre. Anyway, I believe that we should keep the display of locations visited on the episode the same way that it was used, with the names of tasks and that stuff placed within the icon. We already have a table showing that the red symbol is a roadblock, what the detour symbol looks like... So there's no need to even write that besides the icon. I think the new format of episode summary is good and probably better than simply talking about detours and roadblock and then have a list of additional tasks. Maybe that information added to the locations could be added in the episode summary. For example: putting the name of challenges there or maybe what happened with u-turns as that was another changed that I saw in the Ryulong style. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 13:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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I have restored TAR clue and TAR travel back to the original format without the words displayed but with the modifications to make editing easier (force the quotation marks as part of the Roadblock version, add the automatic "or" for the Detour version). Now my question is this: Is this new opposition to the new format for the episode summary itself? Do you all seriously want to go back to the "Additional tasks" format? That's not how other reality show pages are set up.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 02:15, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * But other reality shows are not set up like TAR is. For example, other reality shows' episode summaries have storylines included (like Survivor), but not in this case where it's just the tasks and notes on the race course. I do think we should format it in a way so it's not a big wall of text, but still in chronological order. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 02:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, we're not presenting the story (which is definitely the case of TAR anyway). We're presenting all of the events as they happen in order in a paragraph rather than a paragraph just on the things that aren't Route Info envelopes and then anything else under "Additional tasks".— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 02:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What about a bullet point format like what I did here? It's easier to see what the tasks are at each location and is in chronological order. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 02:47, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Then we just end up repeating the format twice.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 03:09, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. I made a second one, but this time it's in paragraph form, but separated into several ones. The names of the locations are also in bold (in connection to the locations in the leg course summary) and the Roadblock and Detour icons are in the paragraph (to identify which ones are major tasks). But the easiest fix is to just cut up the single paragraph into multiple ones. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 03:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think the bolding is necessary. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:00, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Anything else? Albertdaniel222 (talk) 00:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the first format (the one with point forms) is better. In the first format, we should omit the flight part, and also formay the roadblock like the format of the detour. (Title Summary) I think we should include the Unaired Tasks as well. Riceeaterazn (talk) 04:03, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I do think we should include unaired information too (like Keith & Whitney's U-turn on Amy & Maya is unaired but still included). I included the flight since some flights are prearranged and limited to a number of teams (like those usually found in the first episode). But before we change any of these, we need Ryulong's opinion on this. Ryulong, are you there!? Albertdaniel222 (talk) 06:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been a bit busy. We can add information that comes from post-race interviews but we only need to provide the most basic information in articles. It is not important that teams used Da Vinci International to get to Palermo for example.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 07:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Anything else about the format? Because having just one giant paragraph is not helping readers. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 09:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Is it bad or just different? Because lists aren't really the best either.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 09:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * How about this. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 09:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

As we continue to follow to use the new summary format for The Amazing Race, we give support with a larger giant paragraph, let's show the example from Leg 9 of The Amazing Race 16:


 * Before

In the only Fast Forward of the race, one team made their way to the Singapore Flyer where they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the 541 ft Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. For this Leg's Detour, teams chose between Pounding The Drums and Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. In this leg's Roadblock, one team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue.


 * Additional tasks
 * At the Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall, teams had to find Allan Wu, host of The Amazing Race Asia, who would give them their next clue.
 * After the Detour, teams were instructed to find the U-Turn and their next clue at the intersection of their "last pit stop city" and Orchard Road. This clue sent them to Istana Park, located at the intersection of Penang Road and Orchard Road.
 * At Sentosa, teams rode the MegaZip, a 1476 ft long zip-line. After unharnessing from the MegaZip, teams received their next clue.


 * After

At the start of the leg, teams were told to travel to Kuala Lumpur by bus, and then they headed by train to Singapore. Upon arrival, teams had to head to Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall and find Allan Wu, host of The Amazing Race Asia, who would give them their next clue: a Fast Forward and the Detour. The Fast Forward required teams to head to Singapore Flyer, they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the 541 ft Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. The Detour was a choice between Pounding The Drums or Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. The clues sent teams to Istana Park to find the U-Turn at the intersection of the "last pit stop city" between Orchard Road and Penang Road where their next clue, sending them to ASL Marine Shipyard for the Roadblock. One team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue. The clue directed the teams to Sentosa and they rode the MegaZip, a 1476 ft long zip-line. After unharnessing from the MegaZip, teams received their next clue, sending them to Marina Barrage for the Pit Stop.

ApprenticeFan work 11:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I think the first version displayed by User:Albertdaniel222 here looks better. Within the 3 options he showed, I'd rank them by best to worst: 1, 3, 2. Regarding that subject, I think that we should definitely turn the big paragraph into smaller ones, like the options he showed. Another example:

Airdate: October 3, 2014
 * Leg 2 (U.S. Virgin Islands, USA → United Kingdom)
 * Charlotte Amalie (Cyril E. King Airport) to London, England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, United Kingdom (London Heathrow Airport)
 * London City (Tower Bridge)
 * Westminster (Somerset House or Victoria Tower Gardens)
 * Westminster (London Paddington station) to Oxford (Oxford railway station)
 * Oxford (Magdalen Bridge – Boathouse)
 * Oxford (Christ Church College – Tom Quad)
 * Oxford (Bear Inn)
 * Woodstock (Blenheim Palace)

At the Pit Start, teams were informed they were traveling to London, England, and that there were only six teams allowed to take the first flight which left one hour and twenty minutes before the second. Upon arriving in London, teams were told to head to Tower Bridge and search for the Pearly King and Queen who would give them their next clue: the Detour, which was a choice between About Face and Pancake Race:

In About Face, teams traveled to Somerset House where they dressed up as members of the Queen's Guard and learned the complex steps of the Changing of the Guard ceremony. Once the parade captain was pleased with their performance, he would hand them their next clue. In Pancake Race, teams traveled to the Victoria Tower Gardens where they participated in a re-creation of the annual Parliamentary Pancake Race. Each teammate had to dress up as a chef and then bake a pancake to the head chef's satisfaction. Once done, teams had to complete one lap around the course, constantly flipping their pancakes, finishing within one minute and fifteen seconds. If either teammate dropped the pancake on the ground, ran out of time, or were judged to not be flipping the pancake enough, both team members would have to start over, baking new pancakes before being allowed to race again.

After the Detour, teams were told to travel to Oxford's Magdalen Bridge boathouse, where they were challenged to punt themselves on the River Cherwell around Magdalen College Island. One teammate had to stand on the flat stern, known as the "Cambridge End", propelling the boat through the river, while their teammate stood on the bow, known as the "Oxford End", and wave a small Union Jack. Once teams successfully completed a lap around Magdalen College Island, making sure that they were standing on the right positions in the boat, they were given their next clue, directing them to Oxford's Christ Church College where they were given a bowler hat and an umbrella to carry with them on the rest of the Leg.

Teams were informed that they could pop open their umbrellas for a chance at the Express Pass, which gave them the option to search Oxford for Bear Inn to pick it up and risk valuable time or elimination. Teams were also told to "tip their bowlers", which revealed the phrase "Churchill's Birthplace" on the inside of the hat. Teams had to figure out that this referred to Winston Churchill's childhood home at Blenheim Palace in Woodstock, the Pit Stop for this leg of the race.

Any insights? Gsfelipe94 (talk) 15:10, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * "Pit Start" is such an awkward term. And there's no real reason to give each task it's own paragraph.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 20:10, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Pit Start was already there, it wasn't me. And it looks visually better when they're displayed like that instead of just a whole paragraph. It was an example for this leg, but the ones in User:Albertdaniel222's page look perfect to exemplify it. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 21:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well maybe this is better. But we should try to keep some things in larger paragraphs rather than just dedicating a task to a single paragraph.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 21:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We're not going to dedicate a single task to a single paragraph everytime, but if it works that way, then it will be. Also, 'pit start' is a term used by the show, so it's official. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 22:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * How about this? Riceeaterazn (talk) 22:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

More Simplified Version

Airdate: October 3, 2014
 * Leg 2 (U.S. Virgin Islands, USA → United Kingdom)
 * Charlotte Amalie (Cyril E. King Airport) to London, England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿, United Kingdom (London Heathrow Airport)
 * London City (Tower Bridge)
 * Westminster (Somerset House or Victoria Tower Gardens)
 * Westminster (London Paddington station) to Oxford (Oxford railway station)
 * Oxford (Magdalen Bridge – Boathouse)
 * Oxford (Christ Church College – Tom Quad)
 * Oxford (Bear Inn)
 * Woodstock (Blenheim Palace)

At the Pit Start, teams were informed they were traveling to London, England, and that there were only six teams allowed to take the first flight which left one hour and twenty minutes before the second. Upon arriving in London, teams were told to head to Tower Bridge and search for the Pearly King and Queen who would give them their next clue:

The Detour, which was a choice between About Face and Pancake Race :
 * In About Face, teams traveled to Somerset House where they dressed up as members of the Queen's Guard and learned the complex steps of the Changing of the Guard ceremony. Once the parade captain was pleased with their performance, he would hand them their next clue.
 * In Pancake Race, teams traveled to the Victoria Tower Gardens where they participated in a re-creation of the annual Parliamentary Pancake Race. Each teammate had to dress up as a chef and then bake a pancake to the head chef's satisfaction. Once done, teams had to complete one lap around the course, constantly flipping their pancakes, finishing within one minute and fifteen seconds. If either teammate dropped the pancake on the ground, ran out of time, or were judged to not be flipping the pancake enough, both team members would have to start over, baking new pancakes before being allowed to race again.

After the Detour, teams were told to travel to Oxford's Magdalen Bridge boathouse, where they were challenged to punt themselves on the River Cherwell around Magdalen College Island. One teammate had to stand on the flat stern, known as the "Cambridge End", propelling the boat through the river, while their teammate stood on the bow, known as the "Oxford End", and wave a small Union Jack. Once teams successfully completed a lap around Magdalen College Island, making sure that they were standing on the right positions in the boat, they were given their next clue, directing them to Oxford's Christ Church College where they were given a bowler hat and an umbrella to carry with them on the rest of the Leg.

Teams were informed that they could pop open their umbrellas for a chance at the Express Pass, which gave them the option to search Oxford for Bear Inn to pick it up and risk valuable time or elimination. Teams were also told to "tip their bowlers", which revealed the phrase "Churchill's Birthplace" on the inside of the hat. Teams had to figure out that this referred to Winston Churchill's childhood home at Blenheim Palace in Woodstock, the Pit Stop for this leg of the race.

For Roadblock:

The next morning, teams left according to the time on their tambourine and were given their next clue which directed them to Villa Costanza where they encountered the

Roadblock: Who wants put their foot to the Florio? .
 * One team member rode in a go-kart along the old route of the Targa Florio auto race around Mount Pellegrino. If they could complete the course within 4 minutes and 7 seconds, they would receive their next clue from racing legend Nino Vaccarella. If not, they would have to follow the pace car back to the starting line and try again. Each race is 20 minutes apart. Once the racers got their next clue, they would be driven back down the mountain on classic vintage cars to the Antico Stabilimento Balneare where they would join their teammate.


 * We should avoid underlines and I'm not sure what all of this later paragraph stuff is supposed to mean.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Here is one more example of the replacement format before we apply it to the pages. The underlines of the Detour choices' names are changed to italics. Underlines for route info tasks are removed and only tasks/route markers with icons on the bullet list (e.g. Detour, Roadblock, Pit stop, etc...) are in bold. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 09:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Leg 9 (Russia → The Netherlands)

Airdate: November 25, 2012
 * Moscow (Sheremetyevo International Airport) to Amsterdam, the Netherlands (Amsterdam Airport Schiphol)
 * Amsterdam (Schiphol railway station) to (Amsterdam Centraal railway station)
 * Amsterdam (Magere Brug – Poffertjesboot)
 * Amsterdam (Van Gogh Café at Prins Hendrikkade )
 * Amsterdam (Museum Geelvinck)
 * Ransdorp (Rural Village Field)
 * Ransdorp (House of Rembrandt's Mistress)

At the start of the leg, teams were simply given a flag and told that their next destination was the capital city of the country whose national flag they were given. They were left to figure out that they were given the flag of the Netherlands and their next destination was Amsterdam.

Upon arriving in Amsterdam, teams had to head to the Amsterdam Centraal railway station where they could take the Fast Forward. For the Fast Forward, the team had to travel to the Van Gogh Café and board a marked amphibious bus called The Floating Dutchman. Once the bus entered the water, teams learned that each team member had to eat five soused herring before the bus returned to land, a trip that took seven minutes. If they ran out of time, the bus would return to the Van Gogh Café and the team would have to wait 10 minutes for the next trip.

Other teams have to take a boat onto the Amstel river where they were to seek out a pofertjesboot, a floating poffertjes stand, near the Magere Brug to receive their next clue, informing them of the Detour. The Detour was a choice between Back in Time and Organ to Grind. In Back in Time, teams had to re-create the Rembrandt painting The Night Watch with a group of costumed actors and props, including themselves. If the Rembrandt impersonator was satisfied with the re-creation, he would award the teams their next clue. In Organ to Grind, after finding one of three Dutch street organs, one team member had to run the machine while the other asked for tips. Once they earned €30, the organ grinder would give them their next clue. The clues sent teams to the Museum Geelvinck, where they found the Double U-Turn and their next clue.

The clue sent them to the rural village field in Ransdorp by bus where they encountered the Roadblock: "Who's ready to jump back in time and make a last ditch effort?", which was also a Switchback. Just as in Season 12's Amsterdam Roadblock, one team member participated in the sport of fierljeppen, pole vaulting across a ditch full of water. They had to vault across the ditch, retrieve their clue in the form of wooden clogs on the other side, and then vault back across. If they fell into the water, they would have to start over from the last side of the ditch they were on. The clue sent teams to the house of Rembrandt's mistress in Ransdorp for the Pit Stop.

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I've instituted a modified version of all of the proposals to the live version of this article. No bold for tasks and such. Just plain paragraphs dedicated to the major parts.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 10:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a way better version to read. Much cleaner as we were trying to do it. That's the main goal in my opinion. I do not feel we must add bold and stuff, but it could help with the layout. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Recently, I cleaned up the paragraph for The Amazing Race 19 including the removal of bullets with a little tweaks, something wrote that "English is horrible", and is totally really my second language and though I truly understand it, with I first heard English words when I was younger. The most recent edit was by Sportsfan1234 and wished to restore the paragraph in the whole race summary. ApprenticeFan  work 05:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Airdate: September 25, 2011
 * Leg 1 (United States → Taiwan)
 * Hacienda Heights, California, United States 🇺🇸 (Hsi Lai Temple) (Starting Line)
 * Los Angeles (Los Angeles International Airport) to Taipei, Taiwan 🇹🇼 (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport)
 * Taoyuan City (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport) to Taipei (Ximending Commercial District)
 * Taipei (Taipei Confucius Temple)
 * Taipei (Core Pacific City Mall)
 * Taipei (Dajia Riverside Park )
 * Taipei (Martyrs' Shrine)

At the starting line of The Amazing Race 19 in Hsi Lai Temple, teams had to search through several hundred oil-paper umbrellas for one that had the correct set of letters printed on it ("TAI") that when combined twice with their clue of six other letters ("WANPEI") would reveal the name of their first destination: Taipei, Taiwan. Once they presented Phil with the correct umbrella, he gave them keys to one of 11 Ford Explorers parked outside the temple. The last team to complete the task was penalized with the Hazard. The first clue where it received that the first eight teams to arrive at the airport were booked on an earlier flight from Los Angeles to Taipei; the remaining three teams were booked on a second flight on another airline that departed 20 minutes later.

Upon arriving in Taipei, teams took a bus to Ximending Commercial District, and they were told to look up the billboard with yellow and red balloons for their next clue, and were left to figure out that their clue was displayed on an electronic billboard in Chinese: 台北孔廟 (Taipei Confucius Temple) for the first Roadblock of the Race. One team member had to find a nearby payphone where they had to call a particular phone number. The person on the other end would give the racer one of Confucius's proverbs ("In all things success depends on previous preparation, and without such previous preparation there is sure to be failure."). Without writing it down, he or she would then have to repeat the proverb verbatim to a temple monk. Once they got the proverb right, they would receive their next clue. If they were incorrect, they had to call the number, again, and make another attempt.

After finished last in the starting line challenge, Kaylani and Lisa must take the Hazard task and they required to travel to the Core Pacific City Mall, where one of them had to perform an indoor bungee jump before they could receive their next clue. The clue received after the Roadblock where teams sent them to Dajia Riverside Park and they took part in a dragon boat race team. One team member kept pace by beating a drum, while the other team member joined the paddling crew along Keelung River. Once they made it through the course, they would receive their next clue. The clue directed teams to Martrys' Shrine for the Pit Stop.


 * Leg 2 (Taiwan → Indonesia)

Airdate: October 2, 2011
 * Taipei (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport) to Jakarta, Indonesia 🇮🇩 (Soekarno–Hatta International Airport)
 * Gambir, Jakarta (Gambir Station) to Yogyakarta (Tugu railway station)
 * Bukit Patuk (Bukit Indah Restaurant & Hotel) (Unaired)
 * Semanu (Goa Jomblang)
 * Yogyakarta (Intersections near Yogyakarta's Kilometer Zero or Mal Malioboro )
 * Yogyakarta ('Aisyiyah Orphanage)
 * Yogyakarta (Kraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat)

At the start of the leg, teams were told to travel to Yogyakarta, Indonesia with an inform of the Double Elimination at the end of the leg. They must travel first by plane to Jakarta, and then headed to Yogyakarta. Upon arrival, teams made their way to Bukit Indah Restaurant & Hotel. In an unaired segment of the Race, teams would pick up a key and they were then split into two groups based on the key that they picked, with one group leaving the hotel twenty minutes later than the other to receive their next clue.

The clue sent teams to Goa Jomblang in Semanu where they picked up their next clue. For Bill & Cathi, where they encountered the Speed Bump, they had to untangle a rope until they had enough length to reach a karabiner across a field before they could continue racing with the others. The Roadblock where one team member had to descend down into Goa Jomblang where they had to search for a traditional Javanese mask and a traditional dagger known as a kris, before returning to the surface to exchange them for their next clue.

The clue is instructed teams that was for the Detour taking back in the city of Yogyakarta. A choice of Shake Your Money Maker or Be a Ticket Taker. In Shake Your Money Maker, teams had to dress up in costumes with one team member dancing in the streets while the other played a gamelan in order earn Rp 30,000 (US$3.40) to receive their next clue. In Be a Ticket Taker, teams had to go to the Mal Malioboro and work as motorbike parking attendants in order to earn Rp 15,000 (US$1.70) and then turn in their ticket book.

After completing both Detours, teams traveled to the 'Aisyiyah Orphanage, home to those orphaned by the 2010 eruptions of Mount Merapi, where they had to donate the money they earned during the Detour in exchange for their next clue. This led teams where received a coat of arms from the children and left them to figure out that it belonged to the Sultan and that the Pit Stop was at his palace, the Kraton Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat. A small sign at the orphanage also directed teams to donate all of the money in their possession. Teams that did not donate all of their money were not allowed to check in at the Pit Stop until they doubled back and donated the money.

Airdate: October 9, 2011
 * Leg 3 (Indonesia)
 * Yogyakarta (Fort Vredeburg)
 * Salakmalang Village (Lesehan Restaurant )
 * Magelang (Borobudur)

Teams began the leg in Kraton and they had to join a series of re-enacters of the Dutch colonial-era Bicycle Guard and ride omafiets bicycles with their group from the Kraton through the streets of Yogyakarta to Fort Vredeburg in order to receive their next clue.

The clue where teams found out they headed to Lesehan Restaurant for the Detour: a choice of Rice Field and Grass Fed. In Rice Field, teams carried lunch to rice paddy workers, and while the workers ate their lunch, they planted 300 rice seedlings. Once complete, they would be given their next clue by one of the rice field workers. In Grass Fed, teams had to fill two bags with freshly cut grass and then pick up two sheep from a shed. After delivering the grass and sheep to a farm, they had to then retrieve six buckets of water from a well to fill a trough for the sheep; teams were only allowed to use two buckets at a time. Once the trough was full and the farmer was satisfied with their work, they would receive their next clue.

The clue teams received at the Detour where they headed to the 9th-century Mahayana Buddhist Temple in Indonesia, Borobudur. Before being allowed to enter to Borobudur, teams had to go to the international entrance where they were given batik sarongs to put on. They then walked up to the top of the temple, where they would receive their next clue, which was for the Roadblock. One team member had to walk around the top tier of Borobudur in a clockwise direction, counting the statues of the Five Dhyani Buddhas, while also paying attention to the mudra depicted in the statues (only four of the six kinds of statues were involved in the task). The racer would have to give the correct numbers of Buddhas by mudra, including a demonstration of each (17 Amitābhas with the dhyana mudra, 17 Amoghasiddhis with the abhaya mudra, 17 Akshobhyas with the bhumisparsa mudra, and 18 Ratnasambhavas with the vara mudra), in order to receive their next clue. Telling them to walk by foot to a Pit Stop nearby.

Airdate: October 16, 2011
 * Leg 4 (Indonesia → Thailand)
 * Yogyakarta (Adisucipto International Airport) to Phuket, Thailand 🇹🇭 (Phuket International Airport)
 * Phuket (Nonthasak Marine)
 * Phuket (Soap Island)
 * Phuket (Koh Yao Noi Island)
 * Koh Panyi (Soccer Field)

At the start of the leg, teams were informed to travel to their next destination: Phuket, Thailand. Upon arrival, teams headed to Nonthasak Marine and must wait their next clue for the following morning.

The clue where it received and they found out was for the beach-related Detour: a choice y Coral Reconstruction and Beach Preparation, tasks designed to give back to Thailand following the 2004 tsunami. In each task, teams rode on speedboats to Khai Nai Island. In Coral Reconstruction, teams built a coral nursery out of pipes. Once complete, they used a kayak to take the nursery and several coral fragments out to a buoy where they had to set the nursery on the ocean floor, then set the coral fragments into the nursery. Once complete, a marine biologist would give them their next clue. In Beach Preparation, teams would have to set up a series of 20 beach chairs and 10 umbrellas marked with a specific symbol given in their clue. Once the chairs and umbrellas were set up to the beach club owner's approval, they would receive their next clue.

The clues were given teams after the Detour was a compass and medallion, and instructed them to travel north 13 minutes until they reached the island shown on the medallion, Soap Island. Once they arrived in Soap Island, they received a clue on the island.

The clue turned out for the Roadblock, teams traveled to Koh Yao Noi Island, Ko Yao District, where one team member climbed the island's sheer rock wall until they reached a bird's nest that held their next clue. This led teams gave a map of the Phang Nga Province and a compass and were instructed to lead their boats to the island of Koh Panyi for the Pit Stop.

Airdate: October 23, 2011
 * Leg 5 (Thailand)
 * Song Phraek (Ton Pariwat Wildlife Conservation Area – Anda Adventures)
 * Song Phraek (Spirit house shop)
 * Nop Pring (Wat Chanathikaram)
 * Phuket (Phuket Bus Terminal) to Bangkok (New Southern Bus Terminal)
 * Bangkok Noi District (Bangkok Noi Canal at Wat Suwannaram Worawihan)
 * Bangkok (M.R. Kukrit Heritage House)

The leg began where teams headed to Ton Pariwat Wildlife Conservation Area and Anda Adventures in Song Phreak by songthaew for the Phuket leg. Upon arriving in Wildlife Conservation Area, teams rode on elephants up the Khlong Song Phraek River for the next clue. For Liz & Marie, however, they were encountered the Speed Bump and had clean up elephant dung and wash an elephant before they could ride one to the first Roadblock. One team member searched for a man playing a traditional Thai flute. They then had to search the water around him for a bundle that contained a ceramic carp with their clue inside.

The clue received and teams traveled to a nearby store where they had to take apart a traditional spirit house which they then delivered to the Wat Chanathikaram for the second Roadblock. The team member that sat out the first Roadblock had to rebuild the spirit house they picked up after the first Roadblock. Upon assembling it exactly, a monk would give them a bag of food and their next clue.

This clue sent teams to travel by bus to the Thai national capital of Bangkok. Upon arrival, they headed to Bangkok Noi District and searched the canal at Wat Suwannaram Worawihan where they had to feed fish through the canal used from the second Roadblock before they received their next clue, sending the teams to M.R. Kukrit's House for the Pit Stop.

Airdate: October 30, 2011
 * Leg 6 (Thailand → Malawi)
 * Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi Airport) to Lilongwe, Malawi (Lilongwe International Airport)
 * Lilongwe (Limbe Tobacco Warehouse – Gate 7)
 * Lilongwe (Memorial Tower)
 * Lilongwe (White Horse De-Sign Tailor Shop or Lilongwe LEA School)
 * Mchesi, Lilongwe (R-K Furniture Shop)
 * Kumbali Village

At the start of the leg, teams were informed to travel to their next destination: Lilongwe, Malawi. Upon arrival, they headed to Limbe Tobacco and find Warehouse Gate 7 for the Roadblock. One team member had to put on a workman's uniform and transport ten 200 lb bales of tobacco leaves through the tobacco warehouse to a drop-off zone in another part of the warehouse, using only a hand-cart that could carry one bag at a time. Once complete, teams would receive their next clue.

The clue received directing teams to the Memorial Tower for the next clue, which is for the Detour: a choice between All Sewn Up and Not Grown Up. In All Sewn Up, teams went to the White Horse De-Sign Tailor Shop in the old market and picked a customer. They would have to use manual sewing machines to finish the customer's suit in order to receive their next clue. In Not Grown Up, teams headed to Lilongwe LEA School where teams had to use provided materials (cardboard boxes, nails, string, and bottle caps) to build toy trucks. Once it was properly constructed, the headmistress would give the truck to a student who tested it out before the team would receive their next clue.

The Detour clue where teams received and headed to R-K Furniture Shop searched their next clue, they had to transport two handcrafted wooden beds to Kumbali Village, and then carry the beds to the Pit Stop mat. They would be allowed to ask the shop owner to call a truck for them. Teams would use these beds for an overnight stay at Kumbali Village for the Pit Stop.

Airdate: November 6, 2011
 * Leg 7 (Malawi)
 * Lilongwe (Lilongwe Bus Station) to Salima (Salima Bus Terminal)
 * Lake Malawi
 * Chigumukile Village (Jamaica Shop)
 * Senga Bay (Sunbird Livingstonia Beach)

The leg began where teams headed by bus to Salima, and upon arrival with the next clue from a crowded people on the bus depot. For Amani & Marcus, where they encounter their Speed Bump, they had to solve a slide puzzle that depicted the flag of Malawi before they could participate in the Roadblock. One team member used a bicycle taxi known as a kabaza to take a customer carrying fish to one of three different destinations written on a board tied to the fish. After they dropped off their customer to their required address, they headed back to the bus station to trade in their earnings of MK100 (approximately US$0.66) to the kabaza dispatcher for their next clue.

The clue they eventually discovered was the Detour on Lake Malawi: Dugout and Lugout. In Dugout, teams participated in the annual Lake Malawi Dugout Canoe Race, and had to use the traditional canoes to paddle out to some drummers out on the lake and then paddle back to shore to receive their clue from a local fisherman. In Lugout, teams had to wade to a ferryboat on the lake and unload passengers and cargo from the ferry by carrying it to shore. They had to unload two boxes of cabbage, two bundles of sugar cane, two bundles of brooms, one chair, one fan, and eight passengers – all of whom expected to stay dry – before they received their clue from the boat's porter.

The clues teams received directed them to Jamaica Shop, where they found the U-Turn stand. Laurence & Zac had only chose to U-Turn Amani & Marcus, unaware that Amani & Marcus were already passed the U-Turn. The clue after the U-Turn where teams had to travel to Sunbird Livingstonia Beach for the Pit Stop.

Airdate: November 13, 2011
 * Leg 8 (Malawi → Denmark)
 * Lilongwe (Lilongwe Airport) to Copenhagen, Denmark (Copenhagen Airport)
 * Copenhagen (Church of Our Saviour)
 * Hillerød (Frederiksborg Palace)
 * Kongens Lyngby (Frilandsmuseet)
 * Kongens Lyngby (Karlstrup Windmill)
 * Copenhagen (Larsens Plads – Havet Ship)

At the start of the leg, teams were informed to travel their next destination: Copenhagen, Denmark. Upon arrival, they headed to Church of Our Saviour where they had to search for two clues on the top of the tower. The first was a flag on the tower that said "Borg Slot" and the other was a banner on a nearby building that said "Frederiks". This would lead teams to their next location: Frederiksborg Palace in Hillerød.

Upon arriving at the palace, teams picked up the Roadblock clue, one team member had to dress in period costume and learn a complex three-part dance from an instructor. Once the Countess was pleased with their dance, they would receive their next clue. The clue directed the teams to Frilandsmuseet in Kongens Lyngby.

Upon arrival, they found the Detour clue, the choice between All Hopped Up and All Churned Out. In All Hopped Up, teams had to lay out a proper rabbit show jumping course. They then had to pick a rabbit and have each team member run it through the course without knocking over any of the obstacles. Once complete, the animal handler would give them their next clue. In All Churned Out, teams had to make six sticks of butter by using a traditional butter churn to churn fresh cream, then stamp out the sticks using a special mold. Once complete, the dairymaid would check their work, then give them their next clue.

The clues after the Detour told the teams were heading to Kastrup Windmill to find the U-Turn stand, Ernie & Cindy chose to U-Turn Bill & Cathi, while Bill & Cathi chose to U-Turn Laurence & Zac. The clue after the U-Turn where teams sent them to Havet Ship back in Copenhagen for the Pit Stop.

Airdate: November 20, 2011
 * Leg 9 (Denmark → Belgium)
 * Copenhagen (Andersens Boulevard – Statue of Hans Christian Andersen)
 * Billund (Legoland Billund)
 * Hamburg, Germany 🇩🇪 (Hamburg Hauptbahnhof) to Brussels, Belgium 🇧🇪 (Brussels-South railway station)
 * Brussels (European Parliament Building)
 * Brussels (Concert Noble)
 * Brussels (Parc Elisabeth )

At the start of the leg, teams traveled to the statue of Hans Christian Andersen at Andersens Boulevard for the Roadblock. One team member had to memorize a poem on the base of the statue of Hans Christian Andersen, and then use a map on a provided bicycle's wheel to navigate themselves to the Teatermuseet i Hofteatret where they would have to recite the poem verbatim and with dramatic flair in order to receive their next clue. Otherwise if fail, they must return back to the statue and recited the poem again.

The Roadblock clue where teams headed to Legoland Billund in Billund and they had to find the Pirate Carousel (a teacups ride), where they received a box containing a puzzle made of Lego bricks. While on the ride, they had to assemble the puzzle to reveal their next destination: the Hamburg Hauptbahnhof in Hamburg, Germany. Teams could work on the puzzle only while the ride was in motion; they had to raise their hands when the ride stopped. Upon arrival, they picked up their next clue and must take a train to Brussels, Belgium.

When teams arrived in Brussels, they had to head to European Parliament Building and picked up their next clue. The clue where it found out featured a Detour, but all of the teams chose the task called Bodybuilding Pose; this was changed to an additional task in post-production, leaving the other Detour option unknown to viewers. For Bodybuilding Pose, teams made their way to the Concert Noble in Brussels and competed in a bodybuilding competition in honor of Jean-Claude Van Damme, who is famously known as "The Muscles from Brussels". Racers had to put on bikinis, cover their bodies in posing oil, and then learn a series of bodybuilding poses. They then used the poses in a routine that they performed in front of three judges. If the judges gave them a combined score of 12 or better, teams would receive their next clue, sending the teams to Parc Elisabeth for the Pit Stop. However, teams were told to keep racing and Phil hand them their next clue.


 * Leg 10 (Belgium)

Airdate: November 27, 2011
 * Lommel (Ford Proving Grounds)
 * Ghent (Burgstraat – Hoofdbrug)
 * Geraardsbergen (Muur van Geraardsbergen)
 * Brussels (Atomium)

After being told to keep racing, teams opened their clues and headed to Ford Proving Grounds in Lommel for this Roadblock. One team member had to test drive a Ford Mustang. Teams first had to accelerate to 100 mph and then brake at a designated spot. They then had to go through a slalom course within 16 seconds, and they finished the test drive by performing two victory doughnuts before they received their next clue.

The clue received the teams directed them to Burgstraat in Ghent for the Detour: a choice between Water and Waffle. In Water, teams used provided materials (pontoons, rope, and wood) to build a raft to search the Lieve canal for two halves to their next clue. In Waffle, teams had to build a waffle stand and then bake and decorate 18 Belgian waffles to the chef's satisfaction before receiving their next clue.

The clues they received at the Detour where sent them to Muur van Geraardsbergen and they released 100 homing pigeons and then were given an address to chase the pigeons to. Once there, teams would be able to retrieve a small photograph from the pigeons depicting as their next clue leaving it to figure out the location of that photograph was Atomium in Brussels for the Pit Stop.


 * Leg 11 (Belgium → Panama)

Airdate: December 4, 2011
 * Brussels (Stockel/Stokkel metro station – The Adventures of Tintin mural)
 * Brussels (Brussels-South railway station) to Amsterdam, The Netherlands (Schiphol railway station) (Unaired)
 * Amsterdam (Amsterdam Airport Schiphol) to Panama City, Panama 🇵🇦 (Tocumen International Airport)
 * Chagres National Park (Puerto El Corotu)
 * Chagres National Park (Parara Puru)
 * San Francisco, Panama City (San Francisco Bay Towers)
 * Casco Viejo, Panama City (Plaza de Francia – Ferdinand de Lesseps statue)
 * Casco Viejo (El Mercado de Mariscos or Salsipuedes Market)
 * Casco Viejo (Cathedral Square )
 * Casco Viejo (Panamá Viejo)

At the start of the leg, teams had to dress up as the two bumbling detective characters from the popular Belgian The Adventures of Tintin comics, and figure out one of the three names ("Thomson and Thompson", "Dupond and Dupont", or "Johnson and Johnston") by which the characters are known in Belgium. Then, using a photo given to them with the clue, teams had to find a man dressed as Tintin standing in front of the Tintin mural at the Stockel/Stokkel metro station and tell him any one of the name variations of the characters they were dressed as in order to receive their next clue.

The clue they were received that were headed to Panama City, Panama. They must take a train to Amsterdam and fly to Panama City. Upon arrival, they had to head to Chagres National Park and searched Puerto El Corotu where they took a boat from Chagres River to Parara Puru. At the arrival, they signed up for one of four times to receives a temporary tattoo for the next morning.

The tattoos were eventually given the teams on their next location, San Francisco Bay Towers in Panama City and picked up the clue, which was for the Roadblock. One team member had to cross a tightrope between the towers, 35 stories tall and 65 ft across. The racer would pick up a clue on the other tower, and then make a trip back to the first tower before they could continue. The clue where it received and given a riddle to search for a man underneath the rooster, directing them to the statue of Ferdinand de Lesseps in the Plaza de Francia in Casco Viejo.

The clue teams received were found out was for Detour: the choice between Filet and Sole. In Filet, teams traveled to Panama's largest fish market, El Mercado de Mariscos, where they had to deliver fish to different marked stalls throughout the market, each of which only accepted a certain kind of fish, and only up to a certain weight of that fish. Once they were done with their deliveries, the fishmonger would give them their next clue. In Sole, teams traveled to the Salsipuedes Market where they had to find a sandals stall where they had to use one piece of leather each to make the sole and strapping for a pair of sandals for a customer. Once they were done with the sandals and the cobbler was pleased with their work, teams would receive their next clue.

The Detour clues where teams sent them at Cathedral Square where they had to find the name or likeness of these traditional pollera dresses and necklaces of a group of tamborito dancers in the plaza for the Pit Stop: Panamá Viejo.

Airdate: December 11, 2011
 * Leg 12 (Panama → United States)
 * Panama City (Tocumen International Airport) to Atlanta, Georgia, USA 🇺🇸 (Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport)
 * Atlanta (FlightSafety International)
 * Atlanta (Margaret Mitchell House & Museum)
 * Atlanta (Turner Field)
 * Atlanta (Swan House)

At the start of the leg, teams were informed that they were headed to their final destination city: Atlanta, Georgia. Upon arrival, they had to head to FlightSafety International where they had to pick a flight instructor who would teach them how to operate a Learjet flight simulator. They then had to successfully complete a simulated landing at Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport from an altitude of 2500 ft in order to receive the next clue.

The clue received teams that instructed to go to "the residence formerly known as 'The Dump'", leaving them to figure out that this was a reference to the house of Margaret Mitchell, author of Gone with the Wind for the final Roadblock. One team member to type out the team's next clue by using a Remington typewriter to duplicate an example message. The duplicate had to be perfectly straight and neat, with no mistakes. Additionally, the typewriters used for the task did not have a key for the number 1; racers were left to figure out that they had to use the key for the lower-case letter l as a substitute.

The clue where it typed after the Roadblock, teams had to deduce that a series of three numbers included in the clue were references to Hank Aaron: respectively, his uniform number (44), the number of home runs he hit to break the Major League Baseball home run record (715), and the year in which he broke the record ('74). They were also left to figure out that this meant that their next destination was Turner Field, specifically the location in its parking lot where Aaron's 715th home run is commemorated. At the baseball field, teams had to use a large vertical map and rock climbing gear to map out the Race course from start to finish by looping a rope through a series of carabiners on the map, each representing a specific country they visited (Germany was excluded despite being a named location in the race). One team member worked on the map while his or her teammate gave help from the ground. Teams were not allowed to use notes while working on the task, and the countries on the map were unlabeled. Teams received their final clue and sending them to Swan House, the site of the Finish Line.

New format
Seeing as there is such insane edit warring over the stupid nations in the section titles, and how someone previously raised the issue of that the information as to who says what episode title, I've dealt with both of them as such. The "race summary" section is now an "episode summary" section. Section titles are for individual episodes rather than individual legs. We should stop presenting these pages in the way we as fans want to present it and instead need to present this information in a way that is best suited for the reader and the general interest person. So that means all articles that have super legs must split up the super leg into two episode summaries.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 05:03, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You know this type of format won't work for all versions (and in the long run), like the Philippine version and the Isreali version, since their legs are spread over multiple episodes. Also, in the first season of the Philippine version, tasks pop in and out of multiple episodes. Then how would you plan for HaMerotz LaMillion where there are episode titles for each episode, and I don't even know how the show divides its airtime. Also, what would happen to the recap episodes of season 6 and 7? Would you then add what was discussed during the episode, therefore including storylines? So do we have to include storylines in the other episodes too? But isn't that what you don't want included here? Also, the reason why these are divided by legs instead of episodes is because it would match the results table. So now what? Are you're going to divide that table by episodes instead of legs too? There are also one-off examples in some seasons of the US versions like the ones in season 18, 21, and 22 where they show part of a leg in the next episode. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose to having the title quotes as the section headers. The old format works better. Besides Ryulong seems to have an ownership issue over TAR related articles. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This has gotten out of hand. I'm not sure if anyone is actually expressing their opinion anymore or just opposing a user because they have problems with that said user. We need to be focusing on the article itself and not who made those changes. I do agree the changes that Ryulong made looked a little bad, I mean if we were going to break it up by episodes, why not present the episodes the same way as in Survivor. It would also get rid of the ratings section. (I'm not proposing this, Im just saying if we were to do episodes instead of legs, that would be a better format).


 * Also, reverting something and simply saying "No consensus" is a bad explanation. (Sportsfan 1234). If you read wikipedias policies, consensus can be established by making changes to an article and waiting for someone to revert them or not, If no one ever reverts them, then that's the new consensus. If someone does revert them, the editor can either tweak how the edited the page and repeat the process or go to the talk page. So, even though when you revert a major change edit and this establishes no consensus, you need to explain in the "Edit summary" why you have just established "No consensus" and not have that as your resigning because it sounds like you reverted it because there was "No consensus", which there was until you submitted your revert...


 * Anyway, I also agree that Ryulong is being territorial over the things he changes and I completely understand. Working on a page and making a ton of changes is a LOT of work. No one wants to see their changes, reverted, which is almost like being told you spent all that time and your ideas look like crap and it was worthless.


 * I think we need to start respecting other peoples' opinions and edits and instead of telling them they look like crap and are pointless, tell them how they can improve they way they tried to change the page AND if they get rejected (Ryulong) then you need to respect that it wasn't best at this time for those edits or may never be best. This is the only way we can work together and make Wikipedia the best it can be.


 * Now time to go write a 4-5 page paper on "How to Improve American Democracy" in 2 hours...
 * CCamp2013 (talk) 19:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

The issue here is that we need to stop edit warring and focusing on such a minor part of this season that it's causing us to go after each other. Sweden is not important. Most of the information on the article is not important. No one needs to know about the person who was quoted to make the episode title. What we need to do is present the information in a way that is accessible to all readers and not pedantically focus on what exact countries were visited in a single episode. That is why I tried to introduce this episode summary style format instead of the esoteric race format. We should set these up as episode lists rather than this odd set up. There are so many other reality shows that aren't set up this way. Also, for the Philippines version it could be set up like "week #" instead of by episodes. And if we don't have episode titles then it's just "episode #" for the section title.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 20:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * HaMerotz LaMillion legs are still split into a varying amount of episodes. Sometimes 2, sometimes 3, sometimes 4. The Hong Kong leg in Season 1 was split over two and a half episodes. 184.70.8.70 (talk) 20:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That does cause a problem.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 22:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Another reason that I think the 'country header' version is better (other than the various problems that would arise from applying the new format to every season and version) is that TAR is a travel show. Which means that the locations visited (i.e. the countries) have more importance than episode titles. If you want, just remove the part that says who or what said the episode title, it is trivia after all.
 * I get that other reality competition shows aren't set up like this, but TAR isn't set up like the other shows either. As said before, TAR summaries excludes storylines, which is an integral part of episode summaries in other shows. Since we are excluding that here, we are therefore focusing on the tasks, and therefore the race course, and therefore the legs.
 * We just need a set of guidelines on how to structure the section headers for the legs. My suggestion is:
 * 1) If there is a detour, roadblock, other 'named' tasks, pit stop, or at least 2 active route markers in a country, it is included.
 * 2) If the course goes back and forth between 2 countries, the style "Country & Country" would be used.
 * 3) Travel stop overs (such as Germany in season 19, and Spain in season 3) would not be included.
 * This would solve the Sweden problem since there is only one ARI in Sweden. But this does not equal the 'Countries visited' count. My suggestion is: "if there is a cluebox/clue giver on that country's soil, it is included". This would include Sweden in season 25, and Germany in season 19, which are both admitted by the show of being visited. Just because it wasn't the focus of the episode, doesn't mean it's not visited.
 * Albertdaniel222 (talk) 01:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Minor unrelated tweak, added the Roadblock clue "question" into the summaries.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 06:30, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2014
I would like to request a change in image for Singapore - Marina Bay Sands

Daniel.dala87 (talk) 04:27, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Please suggest an alternate image then.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 04:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected IS A BAD IDEA, SO HERE IS AN edit request FOR YOU TO DO on 30 November 2014
please change "drink fresh a full coconut's worth of coconut water" to "drink the water from a full fresh coconut" please change "On team member had to walk" to "One team member had to walk" Correct the grammar

67.49.229.219 (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Corrections made.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 18:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Need to start season 26 page
Season 26 -- CBS has already announced the premiere date and second episode date for season 26. (February 25th, following Survivor, and then its regular time slot starting on February 27th. See I bring this up because there are media reports already about the new season, including some countries and some casting, and the conclusion of filming this past weekend. (See and. Andy Denhart now at Reality Blurred is a long time tv media critic and reporter, so all three linked sources would meet Wikipedia sourcing guidelines.

Theschnauzers (talk) 02:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Theschnauzers


 * This is not enough to establish notability.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 03:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we have enough just from the renewal + schedule, plus these sources help. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We have information that it will happen but that's all we can adequately say about it. Anything regarding people stalking the production team around the world is problematic content.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 07:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really - as long as these are happening in public places (no expectation of privacy) and no trespassing rules are violated, tracking the race is a perfectly legal activity - it's just that the sources that accumulate this data are generally unreliable as self-published/forums. The Dallas News story, however, is a good example where we can use that information to fix the end date. Irregardless, the Variety story gives enough to update the main US series page, and I've seeding a redirect of TAR 26 page until more information beyond an airing date can be made. --M ASEM  (t) 15:58, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Sweden issue once and for all
At the end of tonight's broadcast, we had a statement from the host saying "Eight countries" amongst everything else. This means Sweden was not counted because that leaves us with only 8 other countries they visited. Enough of this arguing and whinging that "Sweden has to be counted". It clearly hasn't been counted in the end.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 03:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I actually think Sweden was part of the 8. US Virgin Islands wasn't counted as a country. So the 8 countries visited are United Kingdom, Denmark, Sweden, Morocco, Italy, Malta, Singapore, and Philippines. OhanaUnitedTalk page 08:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No. The 8 countries are the US, UK, Denmark, Morocco, Italy, Malta, Singapore, and the Philippines. The US is always included, but Sweden's single route marker was not.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 08:49, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fantastic, but teams still set foot on Swedish ground, performed a task on Swedish ground, and had Sweden identified on-screen. It doesn't need to be "officially" counted, it fucking happened. 174.1.50.249 (talk) 07:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * If US Virgin Islands is in the header Sweden shall be as well. CCamp2013 (talk) 07:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Whether or not they were in Sweden is not the point. The fact of the matter is that Denmark was the focus of the episode just like the USVI are the focus of their episode.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 07:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It does not matter if Sweden wasn't a big part of the episode, it was in the episode. It shall be in the header. CCamp2013 (talk) 08:00, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It was all of 5 minutes in the show and they do not count Sweden amongst the final count of the series. They do not even acknolwedge Malmo was visited in that final task.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 08:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I had previously stated lets wait to see what the final country count per the show is, and if they are not including Sweden (we can go exactly by the container task to check), then we should not consider it a visited country, though can note in the description they drove a short bit over the nearby border to Sweden for one task. But it is definitely not an official country to be included on the 8 countries visited. --M ASEM (t) 15:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The issue is not if its an official country that is counted. Its if it should be in the header for the episode, and it should just like USVI. CCamp2013 (talk) 00:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The Virgin Islands are a unique entity from the United States just like Hong Kong and Macau are from China, French Polynesia is from France, etc. The USVI were also the focus of the episode rather than being treated as part of the continental US. Copenhagen and Malmo are so close that it didn't matter that they crossed a border. The episode was about Copenhagen. The short sojourn into Sweden was insignificant considering that it's not one of the 8 countries they acknowledged they visited or was the focus of an episode.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 00:40, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, so the producers counted the countries wrong. Let's correct that mistake. 184.70.8.70 (talk) 00:42, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No. They decided not to include Sweden in the final count because of the triviality of its inclusion in the episode. We cannot "correct" mistakes made by reliable sources.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 01:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you also notice once again that three people are for having it in the header, while you're the only one in the discussion against it? 174.1.50.249 (talk) 05:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The updated reliable sources trump an informal poll.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 06:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

No need to specify third all-female winners
Saying something is the third time that it has happened is not notable. Reichen & Chip were the third all-male winners, and Kendra is the third female overall to win, but we do not note these occurrences. 184.70.8.70 (talk) 19:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Sweden issue Not once and for all
Since I notice lots of editors are now arguing over whether it should be "Denmark & Sweden" or "Sweden & Denmark", I've created this talk page section. It is my opinion that Sweden should be listed second, as it was the second destination visited after Denmark. So, stop having revert wars and come discuss this. Shadow2 (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Denmark was where the leg finished (so should be listed last) imo. To me it doesn't really matter however. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:42, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Honestly if it were up to me, I would still list UK > Denmark > Sweden > Denmark, but I'm pretty alone on that front and so my secondary opinion is what I've listed above Shadow2 (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with the UK > Denmark > Sweden > Denmark. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If others are concerned about clutter, I would even suggest UK > Sweden > Denmark. The reason for this is that before heading to Sweden, Denmark only served as a transition point. They landed at the airport and then left. There were no Denmark tasks until they returned. Shadow2 (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

It's not important to say in the section names exactly what order of countries they went to. It's only important to say what countries they went to and you don't get to decide that it should be changed all by yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:1700:516E:B187:BF01:A5BF:E448 (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

There is just no point to have the order that they all went in in the section heading. All that we need to know is that in this season they went to both Denmark and Sweden and the next season they went to both France and Monaco. There's no point to say they went to Denmark and Sweden and back to Denmark in the heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:1700:516E:B187:BF01:A5BF:E448 (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not me deciding all by myself, Sportsfan is also here in agreement. "No point" is a fairly weak argument, when the purpose of having the full headers allows us to easily show at a glance how the leg is structured. It's an improvement, and there are no negative repercussions to it. Shadow2 (talk) 10:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Two people do not get to decide how everything is supposed to go. It's not an improvement. It's just a big mess. How people travel for 30 miles between two locations that happen to be acoss a border from each other is useless info to have in a section header which should just say what countries they went to. It is so stupid to list each country twice because they went back and forth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:1700:516E:9423:3B45:8A63:536B (talk) 08:42, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * "Two people do not get to decide", and yet you are deciding everything yourself as just one person. I do not believe we should be removing or hiding any information because it's "pointless" or "stupid". Adding one extra word to a header does not make it "messy" either. Shadow2 (talk) 10:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

No, you suddenly decided that there had to be a change from what was here before and why? Because one guy says he likes it when so many other people before this said they didn't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:1700:516E:28D7:F354:5732:AFEC (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * After a review of this talk page, I find that myself, Lonely678, Gsfelipe94 and Sportsfan 1234 were all in favour of the full header (UK>DK>SW>DK), while the opposition lies only with the now-banned Ryulong and yourself. On its own, that is 4:2, as all other involved parties were neutral. There is no use arguing further unless there is more support for the 'ampersand' version of the title. Changing them back now. Shadow2 (talk) 10:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment - This is an extremely unorthodox article, however I would personally favor an ampersand over a greater than sign.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 17:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * None of the pages use a Greater Than sign. We use → Shadow2 (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
 * He clearly means the arrow. It's not necessary to say they went back and forth between countries. Kitsunelaine (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)