Talk:The Anacreontic Song

Opening heading
This was the drinking song of the Anachrontic Society and was adopted as the tune for the Star Spangled Banner. It looks like a joke partly because the "long s" looks like an "f". I'm replacing the lyrics with some more readable ones with the antique typography. -- Cecropia | Talk 14:53, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Removed Inactive Link
Removed link to UVa's mp3 -- link no longer active (** To Anacreon in Heaven(MP3, 0:46)) Robko626 19:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

A question
How likely is it that the poem by Francis Scott Key just happened to fit the meter of the music? It is a highly irregular meter, and it would seem unlikely that one could compose a poem that just happened to fit.

Mzellers 02:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The meter is dactylic tetrameter, which is in no sense highly irregular, and the rhyme scheme is ababccdd. I'm not sure that that can be said to be said to be unusual, either.

Che Gannarelli (talk) 13:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

To drink or not to drink
In short: either this article is wrong, or the article on The Star-Spangled Banner is wrong, see here Flex Flint (talk) 07:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems fairly plain that singing songs, punch in hand, was a big part of how the Anacreontic Society functioned. Accordingly, the song's characterization as a drinking song seems more appropriate than the article currently suggests (without citation!). Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=CagNAAAAIAAJ at 30–31; 69–70. Threepwolfe (talk) 04:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, the wikipedia article ON the Anacreontic_Society clearly paints a picture of a club devoted both to wine and to music.  So the skepticism shown in this article about this being a drinking song is way unfounded, and I would demand strong evidence against it being a drinking song if someone wants to keep those lines in.  2602:306:BCF1:94B0:A01C:597:307F:41EB (talk) 20:42, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

National Anthem of Luxembourg
Is this true? : "...the same Stafford Smith tune was also used as the national anthem of Luxembourg, but their anthem has since changed." (from the John Stafford Smith Article). It could be possible but I never heard this before. Is there any evidence and was it really official? When was it used (I only find these sources with "once")? That isn't a very clear... --Schnékert (talk) 10:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Bog Myrtle?
The link in the song goes to Myrtle which is not the British Myrtle that I suspect the song is referencing. Bog Myrtle was one of the main flavourings of Beer before Hops were introduced to Britain. While I suspect there is a knowing nod the more classical Mediterranean Myrtle if the lyric is about beer and wine (while pretending to be about pseudoclassical mythology) they would be referring to Bog Myrtle.

Name
The Manual of Style discourages starting articles such as this one with the word the. For now I shall move it.

Che Gannarelli (talk) 13:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Jefferson and Liberty
It seems that song was not to the tune of the Anacreontic Song, but to Irish jig "The Gobby-O," at least according to. Does anyone have information otherwise? Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Move request

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved to To Anacreon in Heaven per the discussion. I also will note that this title was the earlier title and still had quite a few incoming links. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The Anacreontic Song → Anacreontic Song — MOS. Had been moved from The Anacreontic Song to Anacreontic Song in compliance in 2008, but was moved back to the current (improper) title earlier in the year without consensus. Could also be moved to To Anacreon in Heaven  Pur ple  back pack 89   03:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "The" appears to be part of the title; are you sure it's improper? Regardless, I'm tempted to support the move to To Anacreon in Heaven, by which the song is likely better known.  Powers T 18:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Media links
Some people seem to think the link to a YouTube video of the Georgia Tech Glee Club performing this song is either linkspam or self-promotion.

As the original contributor pointed out, he is the owner of the video, and gives permission for it to be linked. Maybe he could upload the video here instead of linking a YouTube version?

Also, the link is not self-promotion. The GT Glee Club is well known for performing this song, and was used in a Discovery Channel show, "How Beer Saved the World" for exactly this reason.

If you disagree with these points, please read WP:EL and WP:SPAM (as I just had to) and point out which parts of them you believe it violates. (In particular, note that "There is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites") Bigpeteb (talk) 04:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit: And now that I look at the history, I see the video was originally added by an anonymous user in August 2010. Bigpeteb (talk) 05:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Хас-Булата удалого or Хазбулат удалой
Perhaps there should be a mention here of a Russian folk song which may have predated the compositional efforts of John Stafford Smith. --Quadibloc (talk) 12:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Synopsis, please?
Hi. As someone who doesn't speak English as their native language, I would appreciate if some kind soul could write a little synopsis explaining what the song is about. Much appreciated. 1.36.32.92 (talk) 08:23, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Move Request
This song is not called "To Anacreon in Heaven", that is an alternative name in the form of an incipit. This artice and "The Anacreontic Song" should be swapped in order to solidify the fact that this song is called "The Anacreontic Song", and not "To Anacreon in Heaven". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laganrat (talk • contribs) 14:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Name of article
Why is the title of the article "To Anacreon in Heaven"? The title of the song is "The Anacreontic Song"; the redirect named that should be switched with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laganrat (talk • contribs) 21:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Attribution
Text and references copied from The Anacreontic Song to Ralph Tomlinson. See former article's history for a list of contributors.