Talk:The Annex

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By the way, Clarkson and Saul do live in the Annex - on Admiral Rd. They're actually in the phone book.

The bit about the "South Annex" isn't right. That's just a real estate term. "The Annex" refers to the area north of Bloor added to the city of Toronto in 1883 (see http://www.tha.on.ca/annex.htm). avt_tor

As I recall former Governor General and broadcaster Adrienne Clarkson and John R. Saul live on Hazelton Ave. which is the Yorkville area that is east of Avenue Road and is therefore not in the Annex. Bloblaw 09:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Rosario Marchese remains the MPP. Tony Ianno is the federal MP, for now. The previous edit was incorrect. We can add the federal MP in a week or so, eh? Or we can mention all the candidates running, so as to be more politically neutral (=NPOV). avt_tor 17:19, 14 January 2006 (EST)

I removed the political background. It was outdated, and it referred to the riding rather than the neighborhood (i.e. references to Chinatown and Little Portugal are certainly outside scope). The link to the riding is sufficient. Political comments specific to the neighborhood would be relevant, provided they were reasonably objective. Also, I removed the comment about "example of urban planning" and the comparison to Detroit. Without a source, this was just opinion (i.e. not NPOV), and the comment about Detroit seemed kind of gratuitous. The Annex has grown organically; it happens to be an effective and pleasant community, but the layout of streets and neighborhoods dates back to the 19th century, not the urban planners of the 1970s.Avt tor 16:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Better picture?
Surely someone must have a picture that's not as dark as this one. You know, stately vines on the side of a red-brick mansion...come on, people! Not that the present one isn't a typical sight in the neighborhood, but it doesn't quite sum the place up, as might be desirable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Figureground (talk • contribs) 20:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, and have got some new ones. They're not perfect, but better. - SimonP (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for upload the photo Simon. But I have to take issue with the SUV in the front driveway. Hardly any Annex houses have front driveways -- they have lanes for parking. And its not a car dominated place as the article says. Its all about biking, walking, transit, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.138.194.103 (talk) 03:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Area boundaries?
The current description of the streets bordering the Annex is grossly exaggerated and inaccurate: "the area north of Bloor Street, extending west to Christie Street, north to the CPR tracks north of Dupont, and east to Yonge Street." It is a well-known fact that the Annex is bordered by Bloor to the South, Dupont to the North, St. George to the East and Bathurst to the West - even the street signs boasting "The Annex" end at these streets. The area between Bathurst and Christie is Koreatown, or the Korean Business Area according to street signs. The area to the East, especially between Avenue and Bloor, is quite clearly and famously called Yorkville. These areas are radically different in culture from the Annex. While I understand the various interests of some to try to extend the boundaries of the neighbourhood, the article as it is now is simply incorrect and very misleading. Anyone who lives in downtown Toronto would laugh at the idea of the Yonge & Bloor intersection represented as part of the Annex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.138.120 (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The boundaries are those of the City of Toronto. Alaney2k (talk) 17:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you are both incorrect. I have added two references (one from the official City of Toronto website). The generally accepted borders are from bathurst to Avenue road, and from bloor to dupont/rail tracks. The map from the city website clearly shows that the neighboorhood to the west (from bathurst to Christie) is Seaton village (sometimes colloquially referred to as the West Annex, though bearing no official city designation as such). The area between Avenue and Yonge is also clearly not part of the Annex and comprises the neighbourhoods of Yorkville and North Midtown. I have corrected the borders to reflect the accuracy as recognized by the neighbourhoods association and the official City of Toronto website. -AR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.129.245 (talk) 05:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry...the article as it stands is still incorrect. http://www.toronto.ca/torontomaps/pdf/hoods2004.pdf That is a map (issued by the City of Toronto). It clearly shows the boundaries of the Annex neighborhood as recognized by the City. All corroborating evidence from other sites including the Annex Residents Association lists the Bathurst, Avenue Road, Bloor, and Dupont/CPR tracks borders.

If you read the information on the city site provided by Alaney, it clearly notes that this was for demographic purposes only (i.e. in order the make the final number of neighbourhoods manageable). You can verify this at the bottom of this page (for example): http://www.toronto.ca/demographics/cns_profiles/2006/pdf1/cpa95.pdf or any other page.

I will not change it for now. I'd like to see others involved in this disccussion and eventually we may have to take this issue to a vote. -AR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.78.147 (talk) 18:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

There are no -official- boundaries other than that of the City. Other boundaries are unofficial. I am happy if both (trad and official) are mentioned, (and that is what I wrote) but we need some cross-reference from the demographic to what is in the article. Otherwise, we can't coincide with official data. The census data, which is useful in being able to describe the neighbourhood. The PDF map is older than the current City website. The PDF by and large coincides with the demographic map. I can't say whether the city staff has two opinions, or whatever. And the other web site is unofficial, definitely. I can accept that the 'traditional' boundary is bathurst to avenue road, but to say the City official boundaries are incorrect is a problem. No-one thinks of Yorkville as part of the Annex, but the area north of Yorkville is much like the Annex. And the area to the west is commonly referred to as "West Annex". There is no need to choose one or the other. We should mention both. And there are articles on Seaton Village and Yorkville separately, there is no problem with overlap. Alaney2k (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

White Elephant
The white elephant mentioned in this entry is west of Christie Street, well out of any of the possible boundaries of the Annex. It is located on Yarmouth Road between Christie and Shaw Streets. I have removed the reference to it.Librarynative (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The Annex is 'downtown'?
There was a time, many moons ago, when Bloor St. was "uptown" (the Uptown Theatre was south of Bloor). If you google "midtown Toronto" these days you'll see businesses with addresses on Bloor St. I'd suggest the intro sentence, if it's going to mention a sub-town nomenclature at all, should properly locate the Annex in midtown Toronto. The debate about whether midtown reaches St. Clair, Eglinton, Lawrence or even York Mills can be for another place and time.

What say y'all? dgaubin (talk) 21:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The word downtown is subjective. So is midtown. Depends on your reference. Geographically, it is close to the downtown core. A lot of suburbanites think all of the old neighbourhoods are downtown, if they know where the Annex is at all... Alaney2k (talk) 23:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
I took out of the adjectives that were obviously put in to suit some editor's uncited pretensions. Although the article is now somewhat more encyclopedic, it is currently missing a few citations near the centre of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.48.104 (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

question
Missing from the article is an explanation as to why the neighbourhood is called "the annex". Geo Swan (talk) 06:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Annexed to the City of Toronto before World War I

Real brick?
Are they real brick houses is brick just on the outside? This is unclear to me (from Europe).
 * Many are real brick, as they were built before WW1. You can tell real brick because several courses have the brick at right angles to tie the two brick layers together.

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