Talk:The Armenian Genocide (film)

Initial article created
I'm a Candian-born, Persian-American, thus I have no stake in this subject. I know how passionate both sides are. As per the NY Times article I read today, this documentary seems to have created noteworthy buzz, so I decided to add this article. I tried to keep it reasonably NPOV. I also disambuigated (if that's a word) the original The Armenian Genocide page. Happy (I hope) editing! -- Bobak 20:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Clearly you are a disinterested observer:


 * "Kackar Dagi • Türk Edebiyatı • Baku State University • Azerbaijan State Economic University • Qafqaz University • Khazar University • Azerbaijan State Oil Academy • Western University • Azerbaijan Technical University • Nakhchivan State University • Azerbaijan University of Languages • Odlar Yurdu University • Ganja State University • Azerbaijan State Agricultural Academy • Baku Slavic University • Azerbaijan International University • The Armenian Genocide (documentary) • Azerbaijan Medical University • Sumqayit State University • Mingechevir Polytechnic Institute"


 * The above is a tiny excerpt of the articles you have worked on, so clearly you have a stake in this which furthermore illustrates all the reasons why I wouldn't touch this article with a stick a hundred miles away since it reeked so badly of bias and sounded as if it was copied and pasted from an Azeri-Turkish government website.76.166.238.146 (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well you did not do well. The whole article, particularly the second paragraph, reeked of bias. Clever manipulation of verbs, phrases, sentences, and grammatical structure makes it sound like the Armenians were the only ones asserting a genocide took place, that the Armenians were lobbying hard to remove the discussion format because they were somehow against this subject being debated, all of which are the highest of nonsense! "...those who assert there was a genocide," "an intense lobbying effort was made... to remove the discussion panel," etc. Firstly, this subjected has been debated intesnely by all sides and the debate has ended with the universal recognition of a genocide, and furthermore, of a whole-scale persecution of Christian minorities in the Ottoman Empire by international genocide scholars, historians, scholars, and etc. Taking this into consideration, debating the Armenian Genocide will be like debating reality or the laws of physics. Not only that, but add on an intense and passionate emotional component. Also you made it sound as if Armenian Diasporan communities have some sort of agenda to mute all debate on this subject. This is not the case, we encourage debate in certain frameworks, and after this documentary was not one of them. Also take into consideration the delicate emotional nature of this subject to Armenians worldwide (a large majority of whom had persecuted ancestors - grandparents, great-grandparents). This is an encylcopedic article and should stay as such, not Turkish state-sponsored propaganda.

Also I have yet to check whether members of Congress actually conducted "an intense" lobbying effort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.238.146 (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Dude, settle down. We're not into emotional nationalism here.  --Bobak (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Rather than trying to marginalize my comment with claims of "emotional nationalism" why don't you actually address all of these issue BOBAK? Again, I simply want this article to be of an encylopedic nature Bobak not one serving the goals of any specific state or group. Now why don't you address the following issues Bobak:


 * "the mass-killing" I am not well-acquainted with Wiki rules but I know enough to know for certain that weasel words and phrases such as these which aim to undermine the legitimacy and credibility of a genocide taking place are not allowed. If you want to have your concerns addressed go to the Armenian Genocide talk page and have all your concerns addressed over them. Otherwise, this is not the place to debate this fact.


 * "of more than one million Armenians" Statistical concerns should also be referred to the appropriate talk pages, not here Bobak!


 * "people who assert a genocide took place" Again weasel words and phrases which aim to undermine the legitimacy or credibility of a factual event are not tolerated. Acquaint yourself with wiki-rules if you already have not, or re-acquaint yourself Bobak.

Asset ?
The article uses the word "asset" as a verb, but according to webster, it is a noun ??? Webster online - asset —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xerces8 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Bobak
Bobak, if you find that certain portions of a cited source are acceptable but others aren't then please find another source. In the article you wrote "massacre", and I corrected that phrase for the second time and replaced it with the appropriate terminology and nomenclature used to refer to the Armenian Genocide.

Source that you yourself used

"And that was the idea behind a panel discussion that PBS planned to show after tonight's broadcast of "The Armenian Genocide," a documentary about the extermination of more than one million Armenians by the Turkish Ottoman Empire during World War I."

Article (Written by Bobak)

"The Armenian Genocide is a documentary exploring the circumstances surrounding the massacre of more than one million Armenians by the Ottoman Empire during World War I."

Clearly you are very ignorant on this matter, and as you have stated yourself, you have inadequate knowledge on this subject. Nomenclature and the titles and terms used to refer to the government and the events of the Armenian Genocide are very important.

"Massacre" connotes simply mass-killings and not deliberate, systematic extermination planned and implemented by the state and carried out with popular support.

Important distinctions should also be made between "Ottoman Empire" and "Turkish Ottoman Empire," as the former connotes that the modern-day Republic of Turkey is not responsible for the atrocities committed by their predecessors a century ago.

There are no reasons to revert any of these changes as you can see Bobak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.238.146 (talk) 12:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)