Talk:The Arsenio Hall Show

Epoca
coming to america is a film of 1988. in that film semmi watch on tv "the arsenio hall show". i think the foirst season of "the arsenio hall show" was before of 1989. is it possible there is this historical incongruence? ciao gente. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.182.25.120 (talk) 03:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyvio
It appears the last edit before copyrighted material was added was at this edit. -- tomf688 {talk} 02:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

70.162.199.253 00:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC) This sentence doesn't make any sense, but I'm not sure how it should be corrected: The Arsenio Hall Show dropped it when David Letterman came, previously uninterested with other CBS late night offers, such as an inexpensive drama series Crimetime After Primetime, the abortive Pat Sajak Show and The CBS Late Movie.
 * Thing to note here is that The Arsenio Hall Show was carried on many CBS stations nationwide (including CBS-owned WBBM-TV in Chicago), and some of those stations (not including WBBM) didn't clear portions of CBS Late Night's lineup (usually the first hour) in order to accomodate Arsenio. A lot of those stations carrying Arsenio over Pat Sajak played a major part of the demise of Sajak's show.  David Letterman's coming to CBS just coincided with Arsenio's decline, and by 1993 to its eventual cancellation nationwide, a lot of Arsenio's affiliates either downgraded its timeslot or outright removed the show from their lineups. ShawnHill 20:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Looking for FULL episodes of The Arsenio Hall Show?
This person is a huge fan and has over 1,000 complete episodes of this awesome show that can be transfered to DVD. Just shoot an email to musiclover408@hotmail.com for all the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.224.173 (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

But then you rip off people who give you money for import CDs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:6C40:9630:743A:4AD3:ED0C:9F0D (talk) 04:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

"De La Soul" Incident
I was looking at a YouTube video for this incident and the video dosn't match up with the account.. can someone explain? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR-p_yMTFDY

"Arsenio introduced De La Soul as "the hippies of hip-hop". The group then performed "Me Myself and I" which explicitly states that they aren't hippies. The credits for the show also began to run over the performance before they were through, also contributing to the "diss". De La Soul recorded the song "Pass the Plugs" features the lyrics "Arsenio dissed us but the crowd kept clapping" in response to the incident."

Clofts (talk) 02:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Change in guideline
Well, it's hard to keep up on everything. For over five years, the guideline now found at WP:TENSE did not include television shows, and for good reason. While a "work of fiction" comes alive, the vehicle through which it is transmitted does not. While a story published in a magazine comes alive, its vehicle, the magazine, does not. When The Simpsons stops airing in 2189, its individual episodes will continue as living works of fiction, but the series will be dead. While the distinction may be hard for some to grasp, it is significant. This change to the guideline, to include TV series, was made less than three months ago, and given the fact that it did not include this for over five years, I don't feel I'm being to brash to excise it now.

But regardless of that issue, none of this applies to the Arsenio Hall Show anyway. Contrary to Pinkedelica's edit summary there is nothing here that applies to this issue of the lead, and while WP:TENSE addresses this issue of past vs. present, it does so only for works of fiction, for which a talk show does not qualify.

Accordingly I will be reverting the revert of my edit. 65.80.247.100 (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, the change to the guidelines wasn't made less than three months ago. I've been working on television show articles for over three years now and that has been the guideline for at least that long. How do I know? I was corrected on it several times. Even if it was changed in that short time span, that doesn't mean should be ignored. I have no idea how WP:MOSTV doesn't deal with this very issue because it clearly does. It reads in part, References to the show should be in the present tense since shows no longer airing still exist, including in the lead'. Please tell me how that guideline does not refer to this series which is no longer airing. Unless you have a reliable sources that states every episode has been wiped (ie destroyed), episodes still exist somewhere and the show should be refereed to in the present tense. Declaring that you plan on edit warring over this guideline because your interpretation of it differs from what the community has agreed upon is not the brightest of ideas. Get consensus changed if you believe everyone else is wrong and you're right. You can do just that in this lovely section where this exact same issue has been discussed. If you don't want to do that, open an RfC on the matter and get additional opinions.  Pinkadelica ♣  22:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see you took it upon yourself to change the article anyway. Nice.  Pinkadelica ♣  22:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * First up, the sentence that you placed in bold in your edit above did, unbelieveably, escape my notice. So I have no objection to being reverted at this time.  And I also apologize for not looking more carefully, and also for essentially calling you out on your edit summary.  I was wrong once, twice, three times a lady.  Now on to my points, which you seem intelligent enough to grasp:


 * The argument that only a single copy needs to exist of something in order to perpetuate the use of the present tense is specious, to say the least. Ideas do not need physical existence to still exist in the present, are Plato's ideas thus to be referred to in the past?  To say that existence of arts or ideas is only possible if they have physical existence would definitely be a statement characteristic of one of the earlier stages here, wouldn't you say?


 * Conversely, to say that physical existence mandates the use of the present also leads to absurdities. I'm sure that in his tomb, some of Lincoln's remains still exist.  Should we say he "is" the 16th President?  And, much more to the point now, if we really could, somehow, verify that all the taped copies of the "The Sponge" episode had been destroyed, would you then agree to begin this article with "was"? Of course not, the episode is a work of art, and is.  But the show is not the work of art, it is the vehicle through which the work of art was brought to us, and it no longer "is", just as many old magazines no longer "are".  65.80.247.100 (talk) 22:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ideas, schmideas. The fact that the original broadcast was preserved serves to validate that it exists, and the guideline regarding tense is absolutely valid. And Lincoln not only was the 16th president, he still is, that status does not change. Your argument holds no logical reasoning. The show exists as it occurred on the day it was taped. It is. As Pinkadelica suggested, argue for the guidelines to change, but that can't happen on this article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:57, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Observation: I've looked at the first 20 US Presidents, and note that 19 of their articles uses the past tense, despite your declaration, and the one that does not (Lincoln), skirts the issue. None of them say "is", as you suggest.
 * Question: If every copy of every Arsenio Hall show were wiped out of physical existence (and if this could be verified), would it then be appropriate to use the past tense? 65.80.247.100 (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If every episode of The Arsenio Hall Show was wiped, yes we would refer to the series in the past tense. Wiping isn't really done anymore so most contemporary shows exist somewhere. However, there is a category for lost shows (and lost films) and as evidenced by those article, the lede reflects that the show no longer exists. I know because I cleaned up and categorized them myself.  Pinkadelica ♣  05:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The Jersey Shore Fist Pump - Arsenio Hall did it first?
These days I noticed that whenever people do the whole pumping their fists in a circular motion, they say "Oh, you're a Jersey Shore fan!" and they try to make the claim that came from the show Jersey Shore.

However, some argue that the two are entirely different. Since the Jersey Shore fist pump is actually a dance move that the guidos pull at the dance floor (they do it outside of it too, though). While the Arsenio Hall fist pump is always acompanied of the 'woof, woof, woof' chant.

Does anyone think the two are related? Pikminister (talk) 20:18, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Recent changes...
As any editor worth their salt would, I just went in and tidied up a bit...broke up a few run-on sentences, reworded other for a better read and just general maintenance.

Then came the announcement of the revival. Tvtonightokc feels it is necessary to list every single station that has signed on to carry the show next fall. I do not think so. From what I have observed, this is not the place for miscellaneous information that really belongs on a website or someplace else that is devoted to television (NOT). I rewrote the section in question to simplify and keep the unnecessary stuff out.

Editors, please remember that there are readers who may not be "into" this kind of stuff like some of us are. Consider this before reverting back. DreamMcQueen (talk) 00:41, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

canada
What channel/time is the new Arsenio in Canada on? I cant believe its still not available here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.161.146.190 (talk) 02:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Encyclopedia not a news article
"Subsequently the ratings have subsided." and "while Hall looks for a new show-runner" is a current event. It reads as present-tense and not past-tense. Hall LOOKED/SEARCHED for a new show-runner. The ratings subsided (not the best word to use in my opinion), without 'have', etc. The original contribution is better and in most ways it says the same thing, just not the way Loginnigol wants it to be. My entry is more thorough and appropriate. Someone else put "stepped down" (changed from "stepped in" which is what it was supposed to be), but i changed it to what the article says which is "took over". And we both agree that the article says "left the show" is correct. Just leave it alone, nothing is wrong with it. If there are further disputes, per wikipedia, please stop reverting and discuss a solution/resolution first. Thanks! 74.62.92.20 (talk) 20:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * This isn't so much a "way of writing" issue but a matter of citing specific claims with reliable sources.
 * 1,— The producer didn't just "left" (= vague = misinformation: that could mean anything, like taking a leave for example) no, what happened is he specifically had to step down - that is explicitly asserted by the reliable source.
 * 2,— The ratings dipped (again, misleading to say declined as 'dip' is NOT interchangeable with 'decline' which is something that is normally used to describe what would possibly happen over longer period of time than just two or three weeks after opening.
 * 3,— You crunched two cited things and drew a third conclusion: a supposed reason why the person left ("due to" bla bla bla). Adding this third reason drawn from two verified matters is still a violation of Wikipedia guidelines.
 * In other words, don't complicate - keep it simple: state the reliably sourced facts —just the facts— and leave the rest to the reader. Apart from that I agree with you on all that "news" stuff/past tense... etc. —Loginnigol (talk) 12:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * 1. My original contribution basically used the words from the source for the most part (although someone changed "stepped in" to "stepped down" by mistake), but I also didn't want to "copy" it word-for-word (more than one word can apply and get the same meaning across). When you first made changes, you did not dispute "left the show" (you left it). I have replaced "stepped down" (even though this leaves it open to wondering why since there was no explanation given). But you are not correct in your assessment of the editing history. It was fine the way it was in the beginning and it's fine now. I believe you're over-thinking it.
 * 2. While "dipped" is used in the source, I think it's a poor word choice for the context of ratings. This in my opinion is vague. Not only that, this wasn't a dispute you originally had when you changed it. It appears you're editing it every time to your way when how it has been is fine. "Dropped" and "declined" are both okay, but I have used dropped instead to compromise. "Dipped" is only the writer's choice of words in the article. This hasn't just been about "stepped down" and "dipped" for you per your changes, you've changed the sentence structure as well.
 * 3. I have no idea what you are saying about me "crunching two cites and creating a third". This is not true nor makes sense to me, I just didn't explain the reason he left (to keep it simple), but claiming it is 'due to creative differences' would be fine. If you change it from how it is now, I would contend it is not due to any specific Wikipedia procedure/guideline/rule.

In other words, I didn't complicate it in the first place. It has become complicated. It was simple from the beginning and I think it's safe to both move on from the topic/statement now. You seem to have contradicted yourself in your explanation and your edit history. You also didn't give a real reason for the changes/reverts the last time (edit summary). Your most recent edit wasn't clear (the first sentence), so i changed it so it reads better. I encourage you to leave it, as there is nothing wrong with it. You have changed the way it is written more than the words that were used. You seem to be cherry-picking something that is petty. While I appreciate you wanting to get it right, there is no reason for changing it again. I'm not leaving it up to the reader to guess, the specifics should be clear and I have done that every time (minus explaining why the show-runner left the show per your comments). This has become very frustrating, and no one else has weighed in with disputes, so there is no consensus. Again, the way it is now is proper! Thanks. 74.62.92.20 (talk) 19:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Guests/Seasons
As the episodes/seasons continue for the current run, someone is welcome to create a new page for a summary of the guests/episodes or an entry for each one. Sources for this are TV.com and TVGuide.com here:

I was going to make a new section under the original run for all past seasons and a summary of guests each year. However, if someone would rather create a new page with the individual episodes, sources to use are TV.com and TVGuide.com here:

An example of a summary of guests is below, or they can be listed in a box/list format per episode. I may add more seasons and then eventually include it in this article if someone doesn't create new articles for the individual episodes, so please leave these "notes" for now. Thanks! 74.62.92.20 (talk) 07:47, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Season 1:

The guests during the premiere episode on January 3, 1989 were Brooke Shields, Leslie Nielsen and Luther Vandross. Other guests during the season included: Ted Danson, Victoria Principal, Whoopi Goldberg, Jackie Collins, Quincy Jones, Bobby Brown, Louie Anderson, John Stamos, Taylor Dayne, Judd Nelson, Paula Abdul, Eddie Money, John Goodman, Dwight Yoakam, Bob Barker, Katey Sagal, Keenen Ivory Wayans, Mayim Bialik, Heather Locklear, Corbin Bernsen, Alyssa Milano, Danny Glover, Frank Zappa, Geraldo Rivera, Mike Tyson, Annie Potts, Ricky Schroder, Michael Gross, Vanessa Williams, Bronson Pinchot, Dolph Lundgren, Lloyd Bridges, Eddie Murphy, Sheena Easton, John Tesh, Ed Asner, Gregory Hines, Tony Curtis, David Copperfield, Teddy Pendergrass, Larry King, Joan Rivers, Jason Bateman, Gary Coleman, Andrew Dice Clay, Ike Turner, Chris Rock, Marla Gibbs, the cast of Amen, Casey Kasem, Justine Bateman, Charlton Heston, Jon Voight, Tracey Gold, Katey Sagal and Sara Gilbert, among others.

OR a short list (summary) of guests during every season:

Guests during the original run included: Kirk Douglas, Jimmy Hart, The Honky Tonk Man, Michael Jordan, Hank Aaron, the cast of Cheers, Ziggy Marley, Spike Lee, Craig T. Nelson, Sylvester Stallone, De La Soul, Dan Quayle, Rick Astley, Tony Danza, Weird Al Yankovic, Howie Mandel, James Ingram, Richard Marx, Eddie Murphy, Danny Glover, Jonathan Silverman, Bill Cosby, Wil Wheaton, Cheech Marin, M.C. Hammer, Peabo Bryson, Tempestt Bledsoe, Dennis Miller, George Lopez, Ice-T, Jackee Harry, Laura Leighton, John Amos, Rosie Perez, Leslie Nielsen, Paul Hogan, Tupac Shakur, Laurence Fishburne, Aaron Hall, Kirk Franklin, Charley Pride, George Carlin, Steven Seagal, R. Kelly, Kenny G, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Lenny Kravitz, Martin Lawrence, Henry Winkler, Stevie Wonder, Dave Koz, Phil Collins and Carrot Top, among others.


 * Already taken care of. 74.62.92.20 (talk) 04:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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