Talk:The Beatles at The Cavern Club/Archive 1

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Den dodge T\C 10:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Infobox may be misleading
The Beatles were going through a transition in 1961 and 1962. Stuart Sutcliffe had already left the band and Pete Best was still in the group. But before their first record release for Parlophone was recorded, Best was sacked in favour of Ringo Starr. Because the band's lineup was fluid during this period, I don't think it is a good idea to have an infobox in this article as it would be potentially misleading so I'm removing it. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK—that makes sense. I was using The Beatles in Hamburg as a template, and that has an infobox so I used one. Should that be removed too? I started a thread at Talk:The Beatles before I noticed you had removed this one or posted here, but I'll keep it open in case consensus dictates we should include them. Den dodge T\C 18:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

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Macca
Don't forget that McCartney played there a few years ago (well, the new one next door) with Dave Gilmour and others.--andreasegde (talk) 08:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The Cavern
There's some interesting stuff in The Quarrymen about the early days of the Cavern, and how and why The Beatles first played there.--andreasegde (talk) 08:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This article needs going over to get dates right.--andreasegde (talk) 18:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I got the dates from the articles I split this from. The Beatles timeline is past this point, so many of the right dates will be in there. Den dodge T\C 18:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I read elsewhere (even in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavern_Club) that the Beatles first performed at The Cavern on Feb.9, not Feb.21.

Proposed move.
Given the standard naming convention for articles like this, wouldn't the use of dates rather than "The Cavern Club and Brian Epstein" be more appropriate? See History of the United States (1789–1849) as an example. The title is cumbersome and unlikely to yeild good results when linking or searching. Why not History of the Beatles (1961–1962) or something like that? --Jayron32. talk . contribs 01:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you think that'd be better, feel free to be WP:BOLD and move it—this was the only title anyone could think of, and I think years would maybe be better. As I say, feel free to move it. Den dodge T\C 09:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I can see why you make the suggestion; in an ideal world it would be neater. But bear in mind that this has come about for a reason: there are quite a few Beatles sub-articles, potentially each with sub-articles of its own, and more are still appearing, and they don't all fit into neat time-periods. I suggest this article is best not renamed in isolation from the bigger Beatles picture anyway. Have a look at The Beatles and see what you think, with what sub-articles there are, and potentially are still to be created. I think it could get messy, with loss of meaning of article name, if there are lots of different ones for odd dates here and there instead of something pertinent to what was happening then. But if having considered it you still feel strongly that it needs to change I suggest you propose a full set of article names on The Beatles talk page before changing this one. PL290 (talk) 09:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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It doesn't need references, as they are/should be in the article.--andreasegde (talk) 21:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)