Talk:The Beautiful Letdown/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this, but it'll probably be Wednesday or Thursday before I can get to it. I remember listening to a lot of the songs off of this album on the local K-LOVE transmitter in somewhere around the '03 or '04 timeframe. Hog Farm Talk 19:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * "the hotel didn't allow the band" - recommend avoiding the contraction
 * Done. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * "Breimeier, Russ. "The Beautiful Letdown - Switchfoot". Christianity Today. Archived from the original on January 15, 2009. Retrieved June 18, 2019." - this is flagging a reference error. I think you need to move the archived url to a |archive-url parameter, and then put in the original url as the |url= parameter. The link can then be marked as dead in the citation template if relevant
 * Corrected. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "musically similar to the work of John Mayer" - should this comparison be attributed to the reviewer?
 * Done. 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "tempo mixed with "elements of hard rock"" - I think this quote ought to be attributed
 * Done. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "HM writer Doug van Pelt awarded the album 2.5 out of 5 stars, while managing editor David Allen gave it 2 out of 5 stars" - having read through the source for this, I think it seems like it's possible there's the original review from Van Pelt and Allen somewhere that would give what they thought about it, which would help with context more than just throwing out the star ratings (of course, such a review may have only been internally published, an informal discussion, or no longer accessible)
 * It's a bit roundabout, but citation 18 in the article already links to the HM review. The problem I had here was that the initial web review does not include the star ratings. This is almost certainly in the print issue, which I don't have. Conveniently, however, the same reviewer identified both review scores in citation 28, which is why that is used as the citation for star ratings. Toa Nidhiki05 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "with 70% of its opening-week sales coming from Christian bookstores." - any way you can think of to rephrase this to avoid the close paraphrasing from the source (70% of its sales coming from Christian bookstores ...)
 * I've reworded slightly to try and fix the paraphrasing issue ("70% of sales came from Christian bookstores"). <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like a WP:LIMITED situation - I can't come up with a way to rephrase either of these without dropping the 70% fact or the bookstores fact, so I don't think there's any way around this. Hog Farm Talk 14:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "and it has been certified gold by Music Canada, indicating shipments of 50,000 copies" - not seeing 50,000 on the cited webpage, and This page would suggest that Gold actually only means 40,000
 * That's a bit of an oddity. They actually changed the album certifications in 2008 - pre-2008 gold albums are 50k, while post-2008 ones have a 40k threshold. I've added this citation to both the article and certification table. <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What makes New Release Today a reliable source
 * See below
 * Other sources look ok for reliability
 * Spot-checked a good quantity of sources during the review, noted only two minor issues mentioned above
 * Image is licensed appropriately

I think that's all from me for now. Hog Farm Talk 00:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy review! I'll deal with the rest tomorrow when I have time but for New Release Today, WikiProject Christian music/Sources has regarded it as such for a long time and I've used it in many GAs. They have an editorial team and frequently interview major Christian artists. Their awards show is attended by prominent Christian music artists. In other words, they're pretty well-regarded in the industry and fairly reliable. <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 01:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * All other issues should be resolved now, . Let me know if you need more detail on New Release Today or if I should remove the references. <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i> <i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i> 13:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)