Talk:The Best Page in the Universe/Archive 1

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Personal Information
Where exactly is this page concerning his status with the people of Armenia? I haven't found it. --BlueGlowGuardian 00:31, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Hello. About a while ago I removed some personal info that someone (either vandal or legit editor) posted. The private information on Ouzounian included his phone number and address. The information was correct and I seriously doubt he would appreciate if he received masses of phone calls from people he does not know. Please make sure to keep this article free of such things. --BlueGlowGuardian 01:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

However, we can still see it by looking at the edit history. I believe only a developer can take the entry out of the edit history. WhisperToMe 02:00, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * The user who added the info was 68.209.126.110 (talk &middot; contributions). His edits have been reverted twice for adding Maxddox's personal information. I have left a warning on his/her talk page. -- FP ?? 02:44, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Proposal for polishing up this article

 * Introduction explains relevance (rework and tighten up existing one)
 * Since this is an article about the site, not the author, begin with an overview of the site's content, followed by additional details about Maddox.
 * Keep April Fools and MAM sections
 * Remove Lou images section (it doesn't merit its own section)
 * Too many lists of facts: rewrite
 * Trim down external links
 * Maybe more discussion of knockoff and fan sites —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgschol (talk • contribs) 11:23, 26 April 2005

Maybe put the imitations in the "Internet Popularity" section, if wished discription of the fanpages could go there as well.DevinTheGrand 16:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Lou Images
Ok, what the heck does lou images have to do with Maddox? This all the explanation that is offered for the subsection: "The Lou images are shock images that Maddox uses to joke around with his friends and to shock his enemies." OMG@!@!!! Maddox shocked his enemies with some PIXXX!!?! My question is, who cares? I'm a reader of the The Best Page, and I've never run across these images. What is the source for this? IMHO, the Lou Images section is full of jargon and inside jokes bordering on patent nonsense not fit for an encyclopedia. It needs to be clarified and its importance explained, or it needs to go. (some anon) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgscholt (talk • contribs) 11:07, 23 April 2005 (UTC)


 * Because its on his site? Really, it's not that difficult to see why we have info about the Lou images. Heck, he explained them in a text somewhere. WhisperToMe 21:30, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I understand that the images are on his site (even though I've never run across them before and for the life of me can't locate them), but just because something is on Maddox's site doesn't mean that it needs to be included in an encyclopedic article about the site. By that logic, we might as well mirror the whole friggin' site here on wikipedia, since everything on his site is ON HIS SITE.  What I'm trying to say is, we should include only significant items in the article, things that will help the reader to understand what Maddox and his site are, and not every minor detail about the site.  On what basis do you justify having the Lou images in the wikipedia article?  Is it indispensible to helping the reader understand Maddox, or does it just confuse things?  And if you can justify it, how can we make it less inside joke-ish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.103.41.201 (talk • contribs) 09:19, 25 April 2005 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has an entire list of shock images. The reason why we describe them and give them their own section is because most people would not want to look at those images; Wikipedia instead describes them so that they know what is there without having to actually look at the image. WhisperToMe 22:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * That's great that Wikipedia has an entire list of shock images. My question is why are they a part of the Maddox article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgscholt (talk • contribs) 10:36, 26 April 2005 (UTC)


 * It'd be kinda silly to list them separate from this article since they are actually on his site and that he had been asked about them. Maddox spilled the beans over where he got the images from and how he uses them. WhisperToMe 00:06, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * i wasn't able to find them, either. Unless someone can provide a source to these, I'm leaning toward removing the section as well.  -- Norvy (talk) 28 June 2005 15:39 (UTC)
 * Removed. -- Norvy (talk) 29 June 2005 16:15 (UTC)
 * Added back - I showed Norvy proof that the images exist and I added on the source of Maddox's commentary. WhisperToMe 05:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

MAM coded by Maddox?
To suggest that the coding of Maddox's page and that of "Mothers against Maddox" is similar.

Maddox makes use of javascript and style sheets; MAM does not. Maddox shows little regard for whether an HTML tag is capitalized or not, and tends to use line breaks quite a bit, while MAM is textbook HTML, all lowercase and mostly inline.

A Sample from Maddox's site:    Yes, it was April Fool's last week you morons.   Last week I decided to do something I hadn't done before by posting an April Fool's prank on my site. I started writing it around midnight, and there was a point when I sat staring at the obnoxious white background and thought to myself "this is too obvious, nobody could possibly be dumb enough to fall for this shit." After all, if the "Mr. Clean" parody icon (a not-so-subtle nod towards my new direction in content), the use of "LOL, ROFLMAO, FAG," relaxed grammar and spelling, and the fact that the articles were dated "04-01-04" didn't give it away, there were still a lot of hints thrown in everywhere.  For example, see if you can spot the clue in the URL of every article:  

A Sample from MAM: 

 <img src="mid1.jpg" border="0"><a href="main.htm"><img src="mid2.jpg" border="0"></a><a href="about.htm"><img src="mid3.jpg" border="0"></a><a href="petition.htm"><img src="mid4.jpg" border="0"></a><a href="contact.htm"><img src="mid5.jpg" border="0"></a><img src="mid6.jpg" border="0"> <img src="bottom.jpg" border="0"> <font face="Arial" size="10">Home <font face="Arial" size="2"><b> 1/24/04 - Update : This past week I have been getting a lot of e-mails from people interested in helping me. At the moment, the best help would be to <a href="petition.htm">Sign the Petition</a>. When I have some free time at the end of this month I will organize a large group and we will start an internet protest against Maddox's website. Currently, parental blockers are not blocking his site and this is just unacceptable. If you wish to contact me about how you can make a difference, <a href="contact.htm">click here</a>. This is the offical website of Mothers Against Maddox (MAM). The self-proclaimed <a href="http://maddox.xmission.com" target="new">"Best Page In The Universe"</a> is run by a sick, sexist, prejudice, arrogant, hateful person by the name of Maddox. His website is giving children the wrong ideas about life and the world in which we live in. The more support that MAM gains from parents, the higher chance we have to shut his awful site down. Maddox is an extremely egotistical human being and his ego grows as the number of children that get lured into his site increase. By using twisted "humor", he tricks children into believing his hateful, biased opinions about people, the world, and life in general. I discovered his website when I found my oldest son, age 14 looking through a <a href="http://maddox.xmission.com/suicide.html" target="new">page on his site</a> that promoted suicide. I was shocked to find out that my son had been going to this site on a constant basis. Ever since my son started going to Maddox's website, I noticed an increase in his hatred towards certain groups of people and his negative attitude towards life. I no longer allow my children to connect to the internet without my supervision, because I do not want them to view such trash on the web, that promotes hate, suicide, violence, and bad-attitude. We must put an end to Maddox!</a> <font face="Arial" size="2" align="left"><b> <a href="petition.htm"><img src="right.jpg" align="right" border="0"></a>

Also of note: While Maddox uses < P > tags to start a new paragraph, MAM uses two tags.

As you can see, the two are NOT similar. --Alexwcovington 16:27, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

At the bottom of the mother's against maddox page, there is a banner for www.mothersagainstmaddox.cjb.net. I decided to follow it, and oddly enough, even with the geocities site down, the .cjb.net worked. It was loading pages from mam.2mn.net, which in turn was redirecting from maddox's mirror. Now unless "Beth" changed her free redirects to link to maddox's mirror, and within a few hours, I think maddox lies. The mam.2mn.net redirector has switched over to a bunch of search engines. IMO, the article should say that maddox claims there is a page, mothers against maddox, blah blah blah. Everyone seems to be just eating it up, which is probably what maddox wants. I can't wait for his next update...

--207.216.252.14 19:05, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

--Llamatron 19:11, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I am certain that Maddox made it. Alexwcovington doesn't think the coding is similar for the reasons outlined above, but even if there are some syntactical differences I feel that the style is the same -- just gut feeling as a web developer, based on having looked at the source of 10s, if not 100s, of thousands of pages. I had a look at some of the JPEG headers and EXIF information of images both on Maddox's site (the newest update) and on MAM, and there are lots of parallels... compression levels, software used to make them (Photoshop 7), resolution etc. Of course, this doesn't prove anything, because they could be the default settings in Photoshop 7, I don't have a copy so can't check. It just looks and feels like Maddox's work to me, and while none of the things I've tried out prove this theory (they all allude to it though), nor do any of them disprove it. Also, it feels like something Maddox would do!

--Nrkn 03:47, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The CJB redirect doesn't point to the maddox mirror. It points to some petition form place... WhisperToMe 04:14, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I swear I heard about MAM well before Maddox pointed out its existence. Had a bit of a laugh, but you can't take net-nuts too seriously can you. I don't think Maddox would've made it.

Also is it just me or does this article have the best NPOV ever.--ZZ 12:33, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Then make it NPOV :| WhisperToMe 15:09, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hopefully I tried. WhisperToMe 15:14, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I wasn't entirely complaining. I'm too POV on this to really be capable of correcting it. Despite my penchant for communism, the environmnet and Che Guevera T-shirts, I still think Maddox rocks. I was suprised no MAM-hippie freak hadn't got their claws into it already --ZZ 00:49, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Maddox said to me in an email he didn't make it.--Trevor Caira 22:41, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Isn't it possible that he used a WYSIWYG type thing, since it was a Geocities page? I mean, I don't know all that much about web programming (aka, none), and I like Maddox, but this type thing, I just wonder who out there would care enough to make a site protesting this website (if there's one thing I can't stand about people with good blogs/random websites, it's when they become delusional about their popularity).

I think MAM is very liekly to have been coded by Madox. All the HTML has clearly been written manually, it has not been created in a WYSIWYG editor, all the tags are aligned all the way to the left whereas every WYSIWYG editor i have ever seen indents code extensively. Also there are no generator meta tags, which are usually inserted by WYSIWYG HTML editors and the meta tags that are there are not the kind of thing that would be generated by a WYSIWYG editor. All this points to the fact that it is very unlikely to have been created by a "concerned mother" unless that mother was quite well versed in HTML. (anon)

But the styles (between Maddox and MAM) are very different. And there are concerned mothers versed in HTML, or they have friends that are. WhisperToMe 02:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Technically it doesn’t matter for these purposes. Even if you sat here and made the "discovery" based on your own web development experience that is in all reality self research. Strict interpretation of convention would dictate that you published your thoughts somewhere and then hope that it gained enough acceptances for it to become accepted as "fact" and then used here. Now personally, I, as a man who has done work would think far enough to code differently. The easiest way to ensure a clean yet different appearance would be to code it in a WYSIWYG and then manually edit out all the fluff. I've done that fairly often just to make code easier to read, and in a page that size it's hardly labor intensive. Such a simple procedure would produce a much different style without too much effort.--Matt 08:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Who doesn't like ninjas?
I coudln't find Ninjas mentioned anywhere in the FAQ. Soemone want to help me out. If Maddox doesn't like ninjas, my world is ruined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also anybody think we should ask to get the Che-logo available for wiki? I'll send the e-mail to Maddox if anybody seconds the motion--ZZ 00:38, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I second it. Flag the e-mail as important or whatever. WhisperToMe 02:49, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

No reply, I sent it over a week ago. Someone else want to try. Maybe if we spam his e-mail box with requests we can get a nasty article about Wikipedia?--ZayZayEM 01:34, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This article isn't very favorable
THe article seems extremely anti-Maddox. It does little to explain why exactly he so popular - can someone not as POV as I am work on it? -- Etaonish 17:40, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Explain what you think is anti-Maddox. I don't see how this is anti-Maddox at all... WhisperToMe 23:39, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Correction: it's not really anti-Maddox, but just not describing why exactly he is so popular. Keeps saying things like "he claims" this, he claims that.-- Etaonish 00:22, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, because he is saying it. It's not like we can check Maddox's mail records to see if he recieved exactly 70whatever love notes. WhisperToMe 03:27, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

If it just said "Maddox is awexome because he roxxor to maxxor", or maybe an intelligent version of such a statement it would be POV. The way it is now is encyclopedic. I feel it is very pro-Maddox at the moment, though its better than it was when I first saw it. I think Maddox is good, but you can't let personal bias enter the article. Perhaps you can find some positive Maddox criticism from other websites (or other media sources?) and reference them.--ZayZayEM 04:16, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have visited Maddox's webpage ever since the "Garfield" article, and I quite frankly think he rocks. Saying Maddox "claims" is alright, and, since this is a Wikipedia, we can always edit it. Andre Wong 21:59, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As someone who likes Maddox's site, I think this article is pretty fair. It doesn't say "he sucks" or anything like that. The organization of the article isn't bad either... could be plenty worse. --Headcase 04:54, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I feel more informed after reading this article, and not in a way that makes me a fan of Maddox. It is because of this that I feel the article is not heavily biased. Yes it needs work, but it's doing well. Zab 09:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Posers
Why did this happen.

I would understand if all had been removed. But one was left in the article. Why did this occur?--ZayZayEM 13:13, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The Maddox Poseurs section is an open spam relay for non-notable dyspeptic wannabes.

Is there any reason why it should be kept?

chocolateboy 12:21, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * If you wanna remove it, go right ahead. WhisperToMe 18:19, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Done! :-)

chocolateboy 09:03, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

"Announcement"
From TBPITU, yesterday: "Update (02-14-05): I will be making an update and an announcement some time this week."

Speculation? Do you think he's going to stop updating the site completely?? - sars 17:30, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * d'uh--ZayZayEM 03:11, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. I was wrong. --ZayZayEM 08:44, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, what's that for? I'm just asking for speculation. I know a lot of people are saying it's the book, some are saying this "update and accouncement" is the very thing he just made... I'm just asking for opinions. sars 10:45, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

Comic Book
Isn't the Comic Book thing just another stupid joke. I don't think he is actually writing one.--ZayZayEM 03:11, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the previous answer to this question, as the user was using offensive language for no reason. I believe he is planning a comic, it is on the site. -- Adamshappy

It's not a joke - one of the forum members at Maddox Mania and the former Friends of Maddox was on the project and posted pics.

Image links and more linkslashing
These don't seem to work, nor seem necessary for the article.

This article has way too many external links already, approaching on preposterous. The links to The Best Page... Homepage allow access to all contained articles, so individual articles shouldn't really get their own entry.--ZayZayEM 08:46, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, some of those articles appear at the top and disappear from the site. Many articles and things are not directly linked from the site. WhisperToMe 01:58, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

2005 hack?
Has he gotten hacked today? Check his site, it's really weird... Dude, what are you talking about? The site was completely different, with that Terri Schiavo chick all over the site.
 * EliasAlucard|Talk 14:07, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * And Maddox has another opportunity to write about how stupid he thinks his readers are. Heh.  Check the date.-- Etaonish  16:38, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * EliasAlucard|Talk 18:54, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Our timezones are different. I live in Sweden. It's April 2 here, and that Terri Schiavo thing was on April 2 for me. Either way, I'm aware of April fools thing. On April 1 I couldn't even access the site. Anyway, screw it. I was just checking.
 * Oh. My. God. Are you stupid or something?!? It's April Fools! I suppose you got a bit confused last year too, eh? sars 17:17, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * EliasAlucard|Talk 19:26, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

His age
The artile where Maddox says he is 26 was from a year or two ago, so maybe it should be changed to "twenty-something" or something similar. [/nitpick]

Verification
"Maddox is of Armenian descent, as confirmed in a post questioning his status with the people of Armenia."

Where is said post? Just curious. FatherGuidoSarducci 04:56, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Redirects
People there are articles on Wikipedia titled George Ouzounian and George Ouzonian redirects to this article Ouzonian, George redirects to this article. Someone who has more time please clean this mess :).
 * Fixed the double redirect from Ouzonian, George. I don't think he needs his own page.  -- Norvy (talk) 5 July 2005 15:34 (UTC)

RE: His age
In his Regressive Party Essay, he states at the end that people can't vote for him as president until the year 2016. The age requirement for presidency is 35, so that would put his his birthday is sometime between November 7th, 1978-November 8th 1981. Odds are that it's closer to 1978 because that would mean that he is 27 as of now (July 12, 2005) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ymallet (talk • contribs) 19:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
 * In his pedophile article, it says he is 27 years old (the article appeared on February 10, 2006).

Old Cleanup Archive

 * ''Taken from the old Cleanup entry…Archived by HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 15:39, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The Best Page in the Universe - dial back from fancruft to encyclopedic coverage. --Jerzy~Jerzy - one user has removed the cleanup notice, made a bunch of changes, asked me what i thot, made more changes, all w/o discussing here. I've given this ten times the effort i intended, and my interest is too slight to read it again to see the effect of F'rG's latest. Anyone else? --Jerzy·t

He's 27 according to his latest article. So you're dead on.

Lou Images
Sorry if I'm merely repeating what other people have already said, but I believe that the Lou Images section should be deleted. It adds nothing substantial to the article and a newcomer wouldn't have the faintest idea of what it's talking about. Unless anyone disagrees I will have to take the liberty of removing them myself. --cheese-cube 01:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


 * As it currently seems there are no objections to my proposal I have removed the section. --cheese-cube 08:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Separate article for spinoffs?
Knock-offs occupies half the article. I think these should either be deleted or spun off into their own separate article, with a seemain tag put on it. Hbdragon88 03:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

If you mean people who copy Maddox's style, they should get a little mention in this article, and no articles of their own. WhisperToMe 05:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Deleted, I see. Well, that works. I just wanted to see if a separate article was better or if deletions were better. Thanks. Hbdragon88 05:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Maybe someone should make a stub about each of the knock-offs because people have said a couple of times that more information about the knock offs would be prefered. In fact. I'll make the stubs now. It won't clutter up this page, however it will still have the information there for people who want it. I'll get the information from previous histories of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.160.6 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

zenofeller.com the inspiration for Maddox?
User C303ad has been editing this page all morning to point to zenofeller.com as "the page Maddox was inspired by." User Jeffthejiff then instructed against further edits removing this. Is this assertion correct, and if so, shouldn't the article text be changed to reflect this? Or is it, as I suspect, just a bit of self-promotion / vandalism? It should also be noted that C303ad also, in a past revision, changed the link of "The Best Page in the Universe" to point to zenofeller.com. Thanks. Hrnghl

sorry, i didnt see that link. the editing all morning was about the "criticism" section which C303ad originally added as a non-npov piece. After some revert wars, i edited the piece to become NPOV. C303ad then expanded on the section, and its ok now. sorry about that link though, i didnt notice it. --Jeffthejiff | Talk 20:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd say it's definitely just promotion, the articles on zenofeller.com only date back to July 2005. The articles on Maddox's site dates back to 1998. Haddock420 04:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

The Blockings?
Should the wiki article mention that his website is banned in the United Arab Emirates, qutar and Saudi arabia? (not to mention websense and most other blocking software). --ThrashedParanoid 19:07, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Added Hidden articles
I added a link to a list of hidden articles, I forgot to put this in the edit comments so I thought I'd let you guys know here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.126.168.14 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

The URL was messed up as The Best Fanpage have changed the way their site works. I fixed it to goto the right location -NegativeInoxx 210.50.72.63 18:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Book title
Did anyone get the email with the title of the book? That info should be put into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.4.141 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, although subbed to the mailing list it doesn't seem to be working for me and haven't recieved any messages thus far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.24.138 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I dont think anyone recieved the email, none of the fansites have the title posted. I think it was a gimmick by Maddox to piss us off :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.65.123 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[UPDATE] Book title is "The Alphabet of Manliness". Release is June 2006, and cost is $15 (a bargin compared to the price Maddox wanted, $5,000). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.24.138 (talk • contribs) 14:08, 18 October 2005

Umm no, book is called "The Alphabet of Manliness"

Email is as follows
 * "Since the dawn of time, man has sought to find a greater understanding of the world around him. Questions like "is there life after death? what is the biological basis of consciousness?" and "what is the title of Maddox' upcoming book?" have baffled the world's greatest thinkers for centuries, and in some cases, weeks. Though everything about this book has been kept a secret thus far, the title has actually been available for centuries now. Nostradamus predicted the coming of this book long ago with the following prophecy: A great scribe will come forth in the third millennium, His virility and penile magnitude unprecedented. He will imbue the masses with a tome of all things manly. Many faces will be rocked. Behold the first glimpse of what will come to be known as the crown jewel of western literature; the title of my book: "The Alphabet of Manliness*" When Johann Gutenberg printed the first bible with the movable-type printing press in 1450, he couldn't have known that it would be another 556 years before anything as significant would be printed again. Every letter of the alphabet stands for something manly; if it needs to be shaved, beaten, or porked, there's a good chance it'll be in this book. Update on the release date:


 * In the interest of keeping this message size low, I've created a brief info page specifically for list subscribers. You must use a login and password to access it: Login: book Password: maddox062006 URL: In the next email, I'll be sending out a sneak preview of the cover, and more info about the book as well as any info on book signing locations and dates. As promised, you will only receive one other email from this mailing list. However, if you're too much of a dumbass to know a good thing when you see it, you can remove yourself from this list here: http://maddox.xmission.com/book/book_unsub.cgi?id=X0lK3WXojvlGEXzZmxOXAE8WLTKhq More info coming soon... maddox@xmission.com http://maddox.xmission.com" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.122.71.182 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Just got it today :) --210.50.72.89 08:48, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Heh, nice one, I unsubscribed you from the list AHAHAH. Good job posting unsubscribing URLs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.65.242 (talk • contribs) 07:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * AHAHAH I guess I am just that dumb that I posted my own unsubscribe link... anyways even if I did, his book is so publicized that I won't miss anything anyways. God I hate pricks like the person above —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.120.196.128 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

does he pay for hosting the site?
before he started selling shirts and possibly making a living off the site, who paid for bandwith? With millions of hits a year, I assume that gets pretty expensive. Just wondering if anyone knew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khamel83 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He pays for the hosting out of his own pocket, with the exception of a very small amount of unsolicited donations and whatever money he makes from his merchandise sales. He mentions this on his website somewhere, too lazy to look. -- DocSigma 03:29, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that would be in the FAQ or the article that talks about his site getting more hits than companies' websites. 24.185.195.4 23:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Misogyny
Do you think this page should include something about how much time Maddox spends bashing women? For the record, I find Maddox and his page quite funny (and I don't even know whether he's serious when he trashes women). But it does seem like that's a pretty major component of his humor, the majority of his articles include at least one desparaging remark about women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.92.223 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC

Cleanup
Okay, I just finished a major overhaul of this talk page. Template:Unsigned deployed on most of the comments and I added the talk header. PLEASE sign your comments with ~ Hbdragon88 02:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Something Awful
I feel too much attention is being paid to his feud with them. I'm going to call a spade a spade, this is a lame attempt by an amateurish website to leach off of Maddox's immense popularity. --02:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, as much as I hate something awful, they get more hits than Maddox does, so your theory seems unlikely. DevinTheGrand 16:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Is it really satire?
I think the description of the site as "satirical" or "satire" should be removed. Satire is generally defined as social criticism through the exaggerated presentation of something without a self-consciousness of humor. Is the thinking that the site satirizes other sites? If he is mocking other sites' features, or strong opinions held by people in American society, he is not doing so very effectively or consistently, although the April Fools' Day gags seem more or less satirical. Maybe. I agree it is often funny, but I don't think it's satire.
 * An important distinction, I would think. He insults people, spews forth venom and rhetoric, but I've read and re-read the entire archive of his site and I've found little that Maddox wrote to be satirical in nature. Is Maddox funny? Yes. Satirical? No. --203.23.157.63 14:27, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think enough of his articles are obviously satirical to call the site "satirical". Apart from the April Fools Day pages, several other articles are clearly satire - the Dr Seuss-style poem about Iraq ("Would you like to bomb Iran?") stands out. If not satire, what should we call it? "Humour" is too vague, and his topics are too broad to call it "political humour" or similar. --Malthusian (talk) 14:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I just checked a dictionary, and you are right. In hindsight I guess I should have pulled the dictionary out before quibbling over semantics. --203.23.157.63 17:42, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Maddox could not affect political elections
This paragraph: "It is estimated that at least a million people or more read Maddox's site regularly; even if a fraction of those people agreed with Maddox's political ideas, he could affect political elections. Some have even suggested that, if he was to run for office, he could gain a significant following, either due to serious or satirical voters. Maddox himself has championed a Regressive party platform and notes on his page counter that he cannot run for president until 2016."

sounds pretty dubious to me (except for the last sentence). Not all of those million people live in the United States, and of those that do, for only a very small minority will Maddox's opinions affect their vote. And the second sentence depends entirely on weasel words. I suggest replacing the paragraph with this:

"As noted above, Maddox has not declared support for any political party, and has professed active dislike for the Republican and Democrat parties on numerous occasions. He himself has championed a 'Regressive' party platform and notes on his page counter that he cannot run for president until 2016."

If no-one has any objections (or anything to support the paragraph's claims) I'll replace it myself in a few days. --Last Malthusian 20:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. United States elections rely on a pluarity of votes.  If Ralph Nader couldn't win, it will be even more difficult for an extreme person like Maddox to.  Few people actually really take Maddox seriously; his site is a satire, as Maddox has himself stated numberous times.  I think the section should be dissolved entirely, really; how is it a criticsm? - Hbdragon88 05:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and replace it now, Last Malthusian :) WhisperToMe 20:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. --Malthusian (talk) 09:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know about the rest of you, but if there's nobody good running in the 2008 elections, I'll write Maddox in, and encourage others to do the same. He won't win, but it'd be nice to see him get 2-3% of the national vote. That's bragging rights right there (which is what he loves as well as lives for). And if, by some miracle, he were to be a contender (despite being a write-in), it would just show both the parties that the younger generations are tired of being screwed over every four years by people who claim to be on the level and then do a 180 degree about-face once in office.

If he ran for like, Governor, I'm sure he'd get a pretty big following. But President? Hell no. --Mrdie 09:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Site gets more hits than _____
I am a fan of Maddox, but I don't understand why so many people and sites always points out that his site gets more hits than McDonald's or Coke. I understand that he doesn't advertise at all, but why would McDonald's and Coke advertise for people to go to their website? They sell food and drinks. IT just seems like a pointless thing to brag about and for other sites to point out. How is it a sign of his popularity? Vash The Stampede 07:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

To Stampede:

The reason why Maddox and other people point out that Maddox's site gets more hits than McDonalds, Coke etc. is because Maddox writes that he has got more power ON THE INTERNET than the mentioned company.

RE:To Stampede:

Sorry, that's just silly. e.g. Google may have more power on the internet than the CIA. Wow!

Needs intro
I didn't know much about Maddox's site, and from this Wikipedia article, I didn't really learn much right away. I went to the site, and found out quite a bit about what it is, and am starting to realize why it's so popular. There is a lot to be said here.

I'm not sure I'm qualified to write it, but this article definitely needs some cleanup. I marked the article as cleanup until we can get the standards up to speed. There is a lot of miscellaneous information here, but nothing to the standards of an encyclopedia. There needs to be uniformity, conciseness, and everything needs to be succinct. --(talk)Jrue 01:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Quick intro idea: Move the entire block for "The Website" to the top (under the first couple of sentences and above the "About Maddox" block.  I will take the time to do it if it sounds good to everyone. Zab 05:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Amendment: I just re-read the section on being bold, and decided to give it a shot and see how it works out. Zab 16:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

wikipedia hate article
is it just me or did their use 2 be a rant about how he hate wikipedia?--203.18.155.107 08:23, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have read the majority of Maddox's articles and I don't remember seeing a "Wikipedia Hate" article. --cheese-cube 07:52, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I've read all of them over the years and I don't remember one either. --Malthusian (talk) 09:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

No details on the book?!!!!
Need info on his book, The Alphabet of Manliness...edit you ... ******* --Rift14

Maddox Dead?
Is it true Maddox was murdered in Nevada late February? -- dxt99


 * Um, that seems like its a just another rumor to me. 24.185.195.4 23:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * He just updated his site, so no.-86.141.52.149 17:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Revert war over external links
Has anyone else noticed a quiet revert war going on over the external link to 'The Third Best Page in the Universe'? Anons change it back and forth between http://www.thethirdbestpageintheuniverse.com and http://www.the3rdbestpageintheuniverse.com, which are two separate websites. None have left so much as an angry edit summary, let alone tried to come to a consensus.

Personally I'd be up for drawing a line in the sand and removing all of the 'fansites' and 'parodies' and keeping them out, per Wikipedia is not a web directory. They seem to me like thinly disguised links to other people's blogs that add no useful information for the reader of the article. Any thoughts? --Sam Blanning (formerly Malthusian) (talk) 23:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a fight between Rob Hayes (http://www.thethirdbestpageintheuniverse.com) and myself, Gothrix (http://www.the3rdbestpageintheuniverse.com) that I never wanted. Rob Hayes found out my link was shown on Wikipedia, I was surprised myself. Rob Hayes keeps on removing mine and Haddox (and even others) links on Wikipedia. I had no clue how to stop him from doing this. Blocking a person is quite lame, so there must be another way to stop this nonsense. It's irritating, especially when you know this going on for several weeks now. He kept on removing ours (except the one of Ninjapirate.com), and added his. Rob is being a real kid, and I openly mentioned on my webpage that I know he's doing it ... but yet he continues to do so. After mailing Wikipedia and getting a poor reply in return, I thought of mailing Rob myself. So I did. Days have passed, and still I haven't got a single reply. The link remove/edit-game kept on going. I tried to reason with Rob, be it seems he doesn't care.

I'm quite glad someone noticed and thinks of doing something about it. But I wouldn't remove any of the links, I would just put them back on, and lock that part of the article. I think the parodies that are still updating their site on a regular base, should be kept, and the ones that went "dry" a while, should be removed.

That's my two cents.

Regards,

-- Gothrix

writer of http://www.the3rdbestpageintheuniverse.com Gothrix 18:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Maddox has spawned countless parodies and imitators, so I think it's prudent to include links to at least a few so that people can get a better understanding of it. Certainly Ninja Pirate, which is a hit in its own right should be left on, but other than that, I don't know what standard we should implement. Obviously we don't want the external links section to become long and cumbersome, so there has to be some sort of line.

--FloydDoorz (talk) 16:46, 22 March 2006 (EST)

Right, since Gothrix (who owns one of the sites in question) is the only objector, I've removed all the links except Ninja Pirate, per WP:EL which says "Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such". --Sam Blanning (formerly Malthusian) (talk) 20:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Bad Info?
The article says that Maddox would someday like to work in Bermuda, Hong Kong, or Thailand. I have never read anything about him wanting to move. Does anyone have any idea where this info came from?


 * Here you go: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gustafso/5410profiles-F2002.html
 * Ctrl+F for George.


 * I think you should say that this was from Fall 2002, since he could have changed his mind. 71.246.111.67 04:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Zack Parsons
I read that Maddox ripped off Zack Parsons of Something Awful with his children's drawings bit. Could someone offer some proof to back up whether this is correct or not? Benbenbenben 03:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it, there is a feud between Maddox and SomethingAwful, so it is likley just something started on their forums.DevinOfGreatness 04:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Did SA actually have such a feature? If so, when was it published? Maddox's appeared on 10-04-02

Benbenbenben 18:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I found this: http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=954 24.185.151.122 03:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Orbitz

 * In March 2005, Maddox slammed Orbitz.com for "selling me an impossible itinerary," causing rifts in the online travel booking industry. The article and backlash against Orbitz prompted many online travel corporations to offer solutions and customer service lines to rectify mistakes in itineraries.

Can someone put a source on this? Any news article or anything that says that it was because of Maddox's influecne that caused this change? Hbdragon88 22:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

third party references?
Nearly every reference comes from Maddox's own site. it would be good if there were some references from somewhere else, such as newspapers --Astrokey 44 05:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

somebosy tell him to update
This man just did an update with a single picture.I believe he lost his breath.

He just updated. I'm too lazy to post a link, so just go there yourself. Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soul Music Guitar (talk • contribs)

Knock-offs
has repeatedly been adding a "related sites" section that has Maddox's knock-offs. This needs to stop because it was already decided that the knock-offs caused more trouble than they were woirth. After I asked about it, they were placed in the The Best Page in the Universe Knock Offs article, but it was unanimously deleted (see the AFD discussion). It alsoled to a revert war over external links. The simplest and easiest solution out of this is to simply delete them all. Hbdragon88 21:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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