Talk:The Black Room (album)

Chat from 2003
hmmm, okay, so what was the copyrighted text? are you referring to the whole document? or just the lyrics to the unpublished song 38? cos the page that you've put the link is a page on my website - and yes, i did basically just lift the text straight from that page to this one, because the text comes from a FAQ for the mailing list for fans of the KLF and as such is a public domain document. from the text at the top of the original plain text verison of the FAQ: This document is completely anti-copyright (of course) so you can copy, print, repackage, transpose, sample, quote as much or as little as you want so long  as you make no money from it or pretend its yours. anyway, i've removed the lyrics, since they could possibly have been copyrighted i guess. let me know if you still feel there is a problem with the rest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Illitrate23 (talk • contribs) 11 September 2003.

whoops.. I didn't see that.. sorry... I don't think the lyrics would be a problem... Evil saltine 05:32, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The lyrics got added again recently, and I've removed them again. First of all, the source is the KLF FAQ which is not a verifiable source. Secondly, if they are genuine they are subject to copyright (not that The KLF would sue of course). --kingboyk 18:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Intro
I think the line "According to Vox magazine it is "considered by those who've heard it... [to be] The KLF's finest album".[1]" should be moved from the intro, because I feel it is a load of nonsense hype - I don't think there was ever a finished or even semi finished version so no-one can have listened to it. I think maybe the genesis for this example of poor journalism came from the 1992 break up story in Select, where Mark Stent says:

To the engineer / producer Mark Stent, the resulting music was pure genius. "The most awesome track for me was one called "The Black Room and Terminator 10" which was like a very slow tempo thrash. It was mad. It was brilliant, absolutely brilliant, and it would have shown a lot of people up because it was as ballsy as hell. Guitars screaming all over the place, Bill doing his vocals and Dean doing his. There was such a raw power to it. It was so different from anything anyone else had ever heard. This was really heavy."

I mean I'm not arguing, it is a fact that Vox magazine said that, but I feel that by including that line in the intro it ascribes that quote an importance it doesnae deserve. Cheers - Drstuey 13:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Right on man, I think you're correct there. I've been off wiki for a while and worryingly Vinoir has disappeared, so I hope The KLF articles are still in good shape... --kingboyk 21:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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(album)?
23:25, 26 August 2006 Kjkolb (talk | contribs) m. . (7,701 bytes) (0). . (moved The Black Room (album) to The Black Room: no need for disambiguation, "The Black Room" was a redirect) (undo | thank)
 * For an album that was never released vs a film that was ambiguation doesn't seem to help film readers. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:47, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * |The_Black_Room_(1935_film)|The_Black_Room_(1982_film)|The_Black_Room_(Savant_album) page views don't support this being a clear absolute majority topic In ictu oculi (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

KLF or JAMs album?
As the album was not released, we don't know for sure whether it would have been a JAMs album or a KLF album. Whilst we can always hope that Bill and Jimmy will one day heed Z's advice to (paraphrasing) "honour their responsibilities" and complete the work (Bill or Jimmy, if you're reading, 2020 is 23 years after your last release of music, so now would be a good time :)), that seems unlikely.

The evidence we have tends to suggest it was to be a JAMs album: the inclusion of "It's Grim Up North", the "KLF BIOG 011" info sheet which referred to The Black Room by the JAMs, and indeed the quotation from Drummond's 45 - about Z attempting to persuade him to complete the album - where Bill refers to The Black Room as "[the] album that me and Jimmy as The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu started but were too afraid to complete" and where he goes on to say "The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu's LP, The Black Room, was never finished". The X Mag piece doesn't say which name would be used. "Pump Up The Jams" obviously refers to it as a JAMs album. The other sources are vague.

The later sessions with Extreme Noise Terror produced the version of 3a.m. Eternal that saw release under the KLF moniker, but contradictions like this are from atypical. The KLF's contributions to Shag Times were remixed JAMs tracks, and the KLF produced the JAMs' "It's Grim Up North". There don't appear to be any sources present which specifically state that it would be a KLF album other than Lazlo's discography which claims that "The KLF: The Black Room (album) featuring Extreme Noise Terror" was announced in Japan as Toshiba/EMI TOCP-7185.

tl;dr As far as the lead and infobox are concerned, the sources suggest to me that the album should be attributed to the JAMs. I'm not sure whether we need to rename the article, as it would have been a KLF release in one way or another as it was recorded for and intended for release on KLF Communications (in the UK at least). If anyone is reading this I'd welcome input on whether to rename to "The Black Room (JAMs album)" or leave as is. If there's no response I may revisit and rename at some point or just leave as is. --kingboyk (talk) 12:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 8 May 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. – robertsky (talk) 02:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

The Black Room (KLF album) → The Black Room (album) – Excessive disambiguation; see Special:PrefixIndex/The Black Room. Note that exists, but is a redirect, so per WP:ALBUMDAB, the stricter WP:PDAB standard does not apply. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support unless the Savant album is notable.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)