Talk:The Blue Angel

Stage play
Does anyone know, was this a play before it was a film? There was an excellent production of this in Bucharest in 2001 under the Romanian name Îngerul Albastru (a literal translation of the German title) starring Maia Morgenstern as Lola Lola. I'm wondering if that would have been a new stage play adapted from the novel and/or the film, or a Romanian translation of an existing stage play. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:42, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Plot
And does anyone know: does the original novel end identically to the film? Or, in the novel, does Rath kill Lola as well as himself? -- Jmabel | Talk 00:53, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * No, the novel and the movie are rather different; there is a page about the novel in Deutsch wikipedia.

Redirect?
I was thinking of creating a redirect page to here at "Die Blaue Engel". Is that an acceptable "mistaken spelling"? I know I was unclear about the gender while looking for the page. Salvar 19:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. I don't see an appropriate category at Category:Redirect templates. You might want to create a template for "redirect from wrong grammatical gender". - Jmabel | Talk 19:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I don't know how to do that. I'll just create a redirect for now. Salvar 21:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's 'Der Blaue Engel' -  the masculine 'Der' refers to the establishment, not the notional angel. Valetude (talk) 10:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Suicide
I don't think (Un-)Ratt committed suicide, he just was very depressed and confused that night (the same of the cabaret scandal). And if I don't remember bad one of his hand was seized to the table -- though I saw Der Blaue Engel fifty times, this was a decade ago. --Zzzzzzus 19:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)zzzzzzus

A couple things on plot and links
First, I saw the English-language version of this film in a German Cinema course and I think I remember my (German) professor say that the English and German versions of the movie had different endings. It would be helpful if someone could confirm this and write both plotlines in the article. (Looking online I see that the main story may have stayed the same, but there were subtleties that didn't make it to the American version -- if you're registered with IMDB look here: ).

Second, the link in the article to The Blue Angel redirects to Blue Angel, which is a disambiguation page including Der blaue Engel, which obviously links directly to this article, and The Blue Angel (1930 movie) which redirects here also.

It seems to me someone who knows should (if the above is true) include both storylines, or how the two films differed; and get rid of the link to The Blue Angel, or follow whatever is the usual procedure in cases such as this (with redirected, circular linking).Gaagaagiw 07:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Femme fatale ?
Can Lola be considered a femme fatale ? If so, we should mention it in the article. I would say so: her seductive power causes the fall of an established man, a typical "femme fatale" scenario. Do you agree or disagree ? Thanks ! Nicolas1981 (talk) 12:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"pre-World War I Germany" dating is wrong
The article states that action happens in "pre-World War I Germany". As a calendar is shown in the film, advancing from 1925 to 1929, I think we should change the wording to "post-World War I Germany" or to "pre-World War II Germany".

201.254.119.32 (talk) 02:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC) Héctor

"Clenching"? My arse!
HEARMYLUSTYwhispers 00:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Hope that isn't too risqay, but I could not resist ti! Umratt did not die "clenching the desk". Clenching is an action undertake by an object, of an object. It isn't done by an object to another object. That would be CLUTCHING. I am loathe to change this withuot first sime debate, but if I do not see good raeson by TOMARRA i will i WILL change it MYSELF.11 HEARMYLUSTYwhispers 00:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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Song titles
I presume the titles given here are the ones given to the corresponding songs in the English-language version. They're mostly not translations. In particular "Kinder, heut' abend, da such' ich mir was aus" means something like "Children, I'm choosing something this evening", not "A Man, Just a Regular Man". Hairy Dude (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * as well as the german/austrian word "fesch" in the song "Die fesche Lola" doesn't mean "naughty" but "fashionable" or being attractive/nice/friendly. I don't know if those translations given in the article are used in english versions of the film, but if not, they need to get fixed. 84.166.247.127 (talk) 09:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Mozart tune
While it is technically correct that The Blue Angel features a melody from Mozart's Magic Flute, the version prominently used in the film is a recording of the famous Carillon of the Garrison Church in Potsdam (source, in German). The Carillon played a somewhat simplified version of Mozart's aria, which was used in Germany as melody for a poem by Ludwig Christoph Heinrich Hölty named “Üb' immer Treu und Redlichkeit”. The song and its lyrics symbolized the “Prussian values” loyalty, honesty, and faithfulness (to God) -- which are in stark contrast to Professor Rath's moral descent.--Kernpanik (talk) 23:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Review in a box
Is that review "in a box" really necessary? Wikipedia isn't a magazine. I don't see why that text can't be incorporated into the main body of the "reception" section. There's absolutely no reason for Wikipedia articles to conform to some vacuous, asinine magazine editor's idea of "aesthetics" with regards to layout. As far as I'm concerned, it looks stupid, and not encyclopaedic in any way. 1.157.95.133 (talk) 05:11, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Comedy-drama?
The lead calls this a comedy-drama, but the Themes and analysis section says this is Sternberg's "least humorous" film. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:56, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

German and English versions
According to The Blue Angel in Multiple-Language Versions: The Inner Thighs of Miss Dietrich by Patrice Petro in Dietrich icon edited by Gerd Gemünden and Mary Desjardins https://archive.org/details/dietrichicon0000unse/page/140/mode/2up and the appendix of The Blue Angel (Der Blaue Engel) by S.S. Prawer https://archive.org/details/blueangelbfifilm00sspr/page/72/mode/2up there were several versions in both languages. Maybe the article should mention that.

Until I edited it "the latter [English] version was thought lost for many years" appeared in the article. I added what info I've been able to find about its discovery but haven't found any earlier mention online about it having been thought lost, nor when or where it was found. Mcljlm (talk) 03:22, 19 April 2023 (UTC)